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BreakofDawn
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December 25th 2019, 8:11 pm
@HellfireUnit wrote:
DC77 (Reborn) wrote:@Bart Why is Rey above Kylo despite losing their duel?

Rey was mentally hindred.
If anything she was even more dangerous than before.
NevesYtneves (DC77)
NevesYtneves (DC77)
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December 25th 2019, 9:32 pm
Her being "mentally hindered" is so baseless it's not even funny tbh.
NevesYtneves (DC77)
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December 25th 2019, 9:33 pm
The Apprentice wrote:What relevance does a Lightsaber duel even have to a Force User tier list anyway, when Kylo has had far more training than her and thus is obviously far more skilled?

If we measure force power exclusively they're dead equal.
The Adventurous Jedi
The Adventurous Jedi
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December 25th 2019, 9:50 pm
I agree I was just questioning why you cited a Lightsaber duel in a Force based thread. I'll leave it to Bart to answer why Rey is the more powerful of the two.
NevesYtneves (DC77)
NevesYtneves (DC77)
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December 25th 2019, 10:13 pm
Because nothing suggests the thread is exclusively referencing force power.
The Adventurous Jedi
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December 25th 2019, 10:18 pm
I would presume the tier list is ranking their Force Power given that it's asking us to rank Force Wielders, not make a Lightsaber duelling tier.
Underachiever599
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December 26th 2019, 2:07 am
The Apprentice wrote:I would presume the tier list is ranking their Force Power given that it's asking us to rank Force Wielders, not make a Lightsaber duelling tier.
The OP has already stated that the tiers are based around overall combative ability, not just Force power.
The Adventurous Jedi
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December 26th 2019, 9:23 am
@Underachiever599 wrote:
The Apprentice wrote:I would presume the tier list is ranking their Force Power given that it's asking us to rank Force Wielders, not make a Lightsaber duelling tier.
The OP has already stated that the tiers are based around overall combative ability, not just Force power.

Where?
Bart
Bart
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December 26th 2019, 2:04 pm
DC77 (Reborn) wrote:@Bart Why is Rey above Kylo despite losing their duel?

Well, the ending clearly established her as superior imo.
King Joker
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December 26th 2019, 2:23 pm
I’d still maintain that Rey and Kylo are basically equals, as they were in TLJ. They certainly shouldn’t be an entire tier apart, IMO.
NevesYtneves (DC77)
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December 26th 2019, 2:49 pm
@Bart How so?

@King Joker I view them as equals in force power, but Kylo wins due to greater skill, like how was portrayed in TROS/TLJ.
DarthAdi
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December 26th 2019, 6:35 pm
I will try to make my own tier list. 
God tier
The ones
Mortakin

Tier 10
ROS Sidious
All jedi amped Rey

Tier 9
High
-Prime Luke
-PT/OT Sidious
-Yoda
-Zonakin

Mid
-Dathomir Talzin

Low
-Windu
-Vader
-Snoke

Tier 8
High 
-Anakin
-Dooku

Mid
-ROTS Kenobi (Old Ben Kenobi might be high tier 8 if he grew, but i'm not sure) 
-DD Vos
-SOD Maul
-Rebels Ahsoka
-Kylo Ren
-Rey

Low
-TPM Maul
-Maybe Lord Momin

Tier 7
High
-Ventress
-Grievous 
-Savage
-Jinn
-Some jedi council members

Mid
-Some jedi council members
-Luminara
-Krell
-Maybe Taron Malicos

Low 
-Grand inquisitor
-Cere Junda
-Cal Kestis
-Kanan
-DS Bariss


Tier 6
-Most jedi
-Most inquisitors 
-Ezra
-KOR

Characters like Plagueis and Bane are likely powerfull but we don't know anything about them in canon.
Master Azronger
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December 27th 2019, 8:42 am
@DarthAdi Welcome to the forum. From where do you hail?

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DarthAdi
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December 27th 2019, 8:56 am
@Azronger:

Welcome to the forum. From where do you hail?


Thanks. I posted on comicvine.
BreakofDawn
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December 27th 2019, 9:46 am
Mace should be mid or high tier 9 considering his performances against both Talzin and Sidious, and I'd maybe put Kanan in the mid tier bracket instead of low tier bracket, but apart from that nice list.
Rohirrim
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December 27th 2019, 11:35 am
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Still don't get why so many people leave most tiers empty just so that Yoda falls at 9, Obi-Wan at 8 and Qui-Gon at 7 like Gillard said. How do we know there are exactly six tiers below Jinn? Are we adapting our hypothesis to fit the data or are we adapting the data to fit our hypothesis? 

Gillard was only really working with three levels in the PT duels and they no longer apply to canon. He also started from the top down, which is faulty in itself, useful as it might have been given that he only had to work with very powerful characters. It's probably better to define power levels around Tier 1, on the basis of whether a character's showings and scaling portray him as taking a majority vs absolutely everybody else in that tier, in which case a promotion would be adequate.
DarthAdi
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December 27th 2019, 11:41 am
@Rohirrim wrote:Still don't get why so many people leave most tiers empty just so that Yoda falls at 9, Obi-Wan at 8 and Qui-Gon at 7 like Gillard said. How do we know there are exactly six tiers below Jinn? Are we adapting our hypothesis to fit the data or are we adapting the data to fit our hypothesis? 

Gillard was only really working with three levels in the PT duels and they no longer apply to canon. He also started from the top down, which is faulty in itself, useful as it might have been given that he only had to work with very powerful characters. It's probably better to define power levels around Tier 1, on the basis of whether a character's showings and scaling portray him as taking a majority vs everybody else in that tier, in which case a promotion would be adequate.
I get what you're saying, but i'm just used to Gillard's system.
Rohirrim
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December 27th 2019, 11:51 am
@DarthAdi I like your list even so Force User Tiers - Page 8 228124001
Gianfi
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December 30th 2019, 2:21 pm
@DarthAdi wrote:I will try to make my own tier list. 
God tier
The ones
Mortakin

Tier 10
ROS Sidious
All jedi amped Rey

Tier 9
High
-Prime Luke
-PT/OT Sidious
-Yoda
-Zonakin

Mid
-Dathomir Talzin

Low
-Windu
-Vader
-Snoke

Tier 8
High 
-Anakin
-Dooku

Mid
-ROTS Kenobi (Old Ben Kenobi might be high tier 8 if he grew, but i'm not sure) 
-DD Vos
-SOD Maul
-Rebels Ahsoka
-Kylo Ren
-Rey

Low
-TPM Maul
-Maybe Lord Momin

Tier 7
High
-Ventress
-Grievous 
-Savage
-Jinn
-Some jedi council members

Mid
-Some jedi council members
-Luminara
-Krell
-Maybe Taron Malicos

Low 
-Grand inquisitor
-Cere Junda
-Cal Kestis
-Kanan
-DS Bariss


Tier 6
-Most jedi
-Most inquisitors 
-Ezra
-KOR

Characters like Plagueis and Bane are likely powerfull but we don't know anything about them in canon.
Nice list tbh. I’d place Anakin in tier 9 with Windu though
Gianfi
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December 30th 2019, 7:24 pm
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God Tier:
Full Potential Anakin
The Father
The Son
The Daughter 

Demi God Tier:
Amped Rey
Darth Sidious 
Yoda
Luke Skywalker
Bendu 
Talzin 

Legendary Tier:
Anakin/Vader
Windu
Dooku

Epic Tier:
Quinlan Vos
Obi Wan Kenobi
Darth Maul 
Lord Momin (?)
Ahsoka Tano 

Above Councilor Tier:
Savage Oppress
Assaj Ventress
Grevious 
Kit Fisto
Plo Koon
Pong Krell

High Councilor Tier:
Kylo Ren
Kirak Infila
Cin Drallig
Shaak Ti
Rey

Mid Councilor Tier:
Ki Adi Mundi
Agen Kolar
Saeese Tiin
Eeth Koth

Low Councilor Tier
Adi Gallia
Stass Allie
Pablo Jill
Luminara Unduli

Elite Jedi Master Tier:
Barriss Offee
Aayla Secura
Kannan Jarrus
Grand Inquisitor
Knights of Ren
Taron Malikos 
Jaro Tapal

Average Master Tier:
Most Jedi Masters
Cere Yunda
Jocasta Nu
Eno Cordova
Some of the strongest Inquisitors
Cal Kestis 
Night sister Merrin

Average Jedi Knight Tier:
Most Jedi Knights 
Ezra
Other Inquisitors 

Average Padawan Tier:
Zett Jukassa
Other Padawans

Youngling Tier:
Sors Bandeam
Other Younglings
CuckedCurry
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December 31st 2019, 3:46 am
Why Pablo Jill
Gianfi
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December 31st 2019, 12:37 pm
Maks Leem wrote:Why Pablo Jill
He has little feats, but still the few he has should place him in that tier. First of all he was a member of the Jedi Council, and he also survived Order 66. While he was defeated off-screen by Grevious, his fight with the General is described as “intense”.
BreakofDawn
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December 31st 2019, 12:54 pm
Knights of Ren are way too high. They’re featless and their best accolade is being stock for inquisitors, which is vague as hell.
Gianfi
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December 31st 2019, 4:01 pm
^I can agree with that
The Fallen Warrior
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January 1st 2020, 12:50 am
This list is irrelevant as the movie that has come of recent clearly established sheev as beyond the ones and thus all other characters are futile
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