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MasterCilghal
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To which extent can an ordinary being challenge a force user?  Empty To which extent can an ordinary being challenge a force user?

on Fri 17 May - 14:49
After reading and watching various Star Wars medias, many of whom address this topic, i’m pretty confused In fact, there are many cases of force users ( even the more powerful ones) being effectively challenged by opponents that were not force sensitive, yet there are various sources ( and the achievements of force users) that claim those who don’t have the force, even if trained, aren’t going to be much of a threat, given that they can just be tossed around with TK or blitzed with force speed. What do you guys think? I’d like to hear some arguments.
trayvon
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on Fri 17 May - 14:55
Karen Traviss To which extent can an ordinary being challenge a force user?  1019854026 To which extent can an ordinary being challenge a force user?  1019854026
MasterCilghal
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on Fri 17 May - 14:56
@Jake wrote:Karen Traviss.
yeah, she has no conception of power levels.
O-Siri
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on Fri 17 May - 15:50
Depends on the author. Obviously, it's pretty well established in Disney canon most Force users, even once you get to Council level are street tier. In Legends, it just depends on the author and the medium. Even outside of Traviss, Mandos can consistently challenge Force users - just read the AotC's novel or play Bounty Hunter. Most pre-AotC works are pretty tame as far as Force powers go. In Jedi Apprentice, Qui-Gon is almost killed by a particularly vicious Togorian pirate and he and Obi-Wan are likewise hardpressed to pin down a non-Force sensitive bounty hunter.


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PeraltaEagle45
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on Fri 17 May - 16:06
You really have to get to Plagueis level and above before the best of the non-Force users can't pose a serious threat under normal circumstances. People can whine about Traviss all they want, but the likes of Jango Fett, Boba Fett, Durge, Scree, Grievous, Pre Vizsla, etc. have posted very impressive fights and even knocked around relatively top-tier Force users such as Kenobi, Vader, Maul, and even Windu to an extent. Traviss' showings are in line with other portrayals.
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on Fri 17 May - 17:31
Logically they should be blitzed or ragdolled. In terms of the mythological events as they occur non-Force Sensitives have challenged Force Sensitives on several occassions but honestly it really depends on different authors and mediums.
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on Fri 17 May - 18:28
Logically they should be blitzed or ragdolled. In terms of the mythological events as they occur non-Force Sensitives have challenged Force Sensitives on several occassions but honestly it really depends on different authors and mediums.
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on Fri 17 May - 23:05
Not necessarily. In Legends, there's combat forms like Teras Kasi and training regimens developed specifically for non force users to effectively deal with Jedi/Sith.
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on Mon 20 May - 15:44
SithArchaeologist wrote:You really have to get to Plagueis level and above before the best of the non-Force users can't pose a serious threat under normal circumstances. People can whine about Traviss all they want, but the likes of Jango Fett, Boba Fett, Durge, Scree, Grievous, Pre Vizsla, etc. have posted very impressive fights and even knocked around relatively top-tier Force users such as Kenobi, Vader, Maul, and even Windu to an extent. Traviss' showings are in line with other portrayals.
The problem is that, logically, given how much power even a normal, average jedi can summon they should be able to toss around any ordinary being with no effort.
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on Mon 20 May - 21:14
How is that necessarily logical? Average Jedi aren't capable of casually applying the Force against close opponents at will, especially if they're tired.
The Fallen Warrior
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on Tue 21 May - 1:27
@mastercilghal wrote:
@Jake wrote:Karen Traviss.
yeah, she has no conception of power levels.

I disagree, I am legitimately of the opinion that Boba Fett can challenge the highest echelons of Force Users barring to OP oneshot range, fr dooku is a great fight, Vader already happened (twice)

Sheev stomps

He beats Mace

Beats every council member bar Yoda

I am dead serious too
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on Tue 21 May - 1:43
>can't beat Korr
The Fallen Warrior
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on Tue 21 May - 2:10
@Meatpants wrote:>can't beat Korr

> post prime (still recovering from the Sarlacc, physically deteriorating and noted as slower)
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on Tue 21 May - 3:55
Realistically, feats like Jango's bare-handed killing of several armed Jedi just wouldn't happen. Kota getting one-shotted by Boba, Zym getting surprised and killed by Braden's rocket etc. are pretty ridiculous too.
The Fallen Warrior
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on Tue 21 May - 4:01
@Nova wrote:Realistically, feats like Jango's bare-handed killing of several armed Jedi just wouldn't happen. Kota getting one-shotted by Boba, Zym getting surprised and killed by Braden's rocket etc. are pretty ridiculous too.
How dare you. 

Boba fett is a clone genetically enhanced, it makes perfect sense for him to move at hypersonic speed To which extent can an ordinary being challenge a force user?  4037459623
PeraltaEagle45
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on Tue 21 May - 4:02
@Nova wrote:Realistically, feats like Jango's bare-handed killing of several armed Jedi just wouldn't happen. Kota getting one-shotted by Boba, Zym getting surprised and killed by Braden's rocket etc. are pretty ridiculous too.

But they do, and we need to take that into account when assessing characters like them.
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on Tue 21 May - 4:04
SithArchaeologist wrote:
@Nova wrote:Realistically, feats like Jango's bare-handed killing of several armed Jedi just wouldn't happen. Kota getting one-shotted by Boba, Zym getting surprised and killed by Braden's rocket etc. are pretty ridiculous too.

But they do, and we need to take that into account when assessing characters like them.
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PeraltaEagle45
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on Tue 21 May - 4:06
In-sidiousvader wrote:
SithArchaeologist wrote:
@Nova wrote:Realistically, feats like Jango's bare-handed killing of several armed Jedi just wouldn't happen. Kota getting one-shotted by Boba, Zym getting surprised and killed by Braden's rocket etc. are pretty ridiculous too.

But they do, and we need to take that into account when assessing characters like them.
Young one we may not agree on many things, but it is always a treat to find a fellow boba wanker    To which extent can an ordinary being challenge a force user?  2266747095

Don't patronize me. But it is true that characters like Vizsla, Boba, Jango, Scree, etc. get casually dismissed despite excellent performances against good Force users.
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on Tue 21 May - 4:10
SithArchaeologist wrote:
In-sidiousvader wrote:
SithArchaeologist wrote:
@Nova wrote:Realistically, feats like Jango's bare-handed killing of several armed Jedi just wouldn't happen. Kota getting one-shotted by Boba, Zym getting surprised and killed by Braden's rocket etc. are pretty ridiculous too.

But they do, and we need to take that into account when assessing characters like them.
Young one we may not agree on many things, but it is always a treat to find a fellow boba wanker    To which extent can an ordinary being challenge a force user?  2266747095

Don't patronize me. But it is true that characters like Vizsla, Boba, Jango, Scree, etc. get casually dismissed despite excellent performances against good Force users.
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