To which extent can an ordinary being challenge a force user?

After reading and watching various Star Wars medias, many of whom address this topic, i’m pretty confused In fact, there are many cases of force users ( even the more powerful ones) being effectively challenged by opponents that were not force sensitive, yet there are various sources ( and the achievements of force users) that claim those who don’t have the force, even if trained, aren’t going to be much of a threat, given that they can just be tossed around with TK or blitzed with force speed. What do you guys think? I’d like to hear some arguments.

Karen Traviss

Jake wrote:Karen Traviss.

yeah, she has no conception of power levels.

Depends on the author. Obviously, it's pretty well established in Disney canon most Force users, even once you get to Council level are street tier. In Legends, it just depends on the author and the medium. Even outside of Traviss, Mandos can consistently challenge Force users - just read the AotC's novel or play Bounty Hunter. Most pre-AotC works are pretty tame as far as Force powers go. In Jedi Apprentice, Qui-Gon is almost killed by a particularly vicious Togorian pirate and he and Obi-Wan are likewise hardpressed to pin down a non-Force sensitive bounty hunter.

You really have to get to Plagueis level and above before the best of the non-Force users can't pose a serious threat under normal circumstances. People can whine about Traviss all they want, but the likes of Jango Fett, Boba Fett, Durge, Scree, Grievous, Pre Vizsla, etc. have posted very impressive fights and even knocked around relatively top-tier Force users such as Kenobi, Vader, Maul, and even Windu to an extent. Traviss' showings are in line with other portrayals.

Logically they should be blitzed or ragdolled. In terms of the mythological events as they occur non-Force Sensitives have challenged Force Sensitives on several occassions but honestly it really depends on different authors and mediums.

Logically they should be blitzed or ragdolled. In terms of the mythological events as they occur non-Force Sensitives have challenged Force Sensitives on several occassions but honestly it really depends on different authors and mediums.

Not necessarily. In Legends, there's combat forms like Teras Kasi and training regimens developed specifically for non force users to effectively deal with Jedi/Sith.

SithArchaeologist wrote:You really have to get to Plagueis level and above before the best of the non-Force users can't pose a serious threat under normal circumstances. People can whine about Traviss all they want, but the likes of Jango Fett, Boba Fett, Durge, Scree, Grievous, Pre Vizsla, etc. have posted very impressive fights and even knocked around relatively top-tier Force users such as Kenobi, Vader, Maul, and even Windu to an extent. Traviss' showings are in line with other portrayals.

The problem is that, logically, given how much power even a normal, average jedi can summon they should be able to toss around any ordinary being with no effort.

How is that necessarily logical? Average Jedi aren't capable of casually applying the Force against close opponents at will, especially if they're tired.

mastercilghal wrote:

Jake wrote:Karen Traviss.

yeah, she has no conception of power levels.

I disagree, I am legitimately of the opinion that Boba Fett can challenge the highest echelons of Force Users barring to OP oneshot range, fr dooku is a great fight, Vader already happened (twice)

Sheev stomps

He beats Mace

Beats every council member bar Yoda

I am dead serious too

>can't beat Korr

Meatpants wrote:>can't beat Korr

> post prime (still recovering from the Sarlacc, physically deteriorating and noted as slower)

Realistically, feats like Jango's bare-handed killing of several armed Jedi just wouldn't happen. Kota getting one-shotted by Boba, Zym getting surprised and killed by Braden's rocket etc. are pretty ridiculous too.

Nova wrote:Realistically, feats like Jango's bare-handed killing of several armed Jedi just wouldn't happen. Kota getting one-shotted by Boba, Zym getting surprised and killed by Braden's rocket etc. are pretty ridiculous too.

How dare you. 

Boba fett is a clone genetically enhanced, it makes perfect sense for him to move at hypersonic speed

Nova wrote:Realistically, feats like Jango's bare-handed killing of several armed Jedi just wouldn't happen. Kota getting one-shotted by Boba, Zym getting surprised and killed by Braden's rocket etc. are pretty ridiculous too.

But they do, and we need to take that into account when assessing characters like them.

SithArchaeologist wrote:

Nova wrote:Realistically, feats like Jango's bare-handed killing of several armed Jedi just wouldn't happen. Kota getting one-shotted by Boba, Zym getting surprised and killed by Braden's rocket etc. are pretty ridiculous too.

But they do, and we need to take that into account when assessing characters like them.

Young one we may not agree on many things, but it is always a treat to find a fellow boba wanker   

In-sidiousvader wrote:

SithArchaeologist wrote:

Nova wrote:Realistically, feats like Jango's bare-handed killing of several armed Jedi just wouldn't happen. Kota getting one-shotted by Boba, Zym getting surprised and killed by Braden's rocket etc. are pretty ridiculous too.

But they do, and we need to take that into account when assessing characters like them.

Young one we may not agree on many things, but it is always a treat to find a fellow boba wanker   

Don't patronize me. But it is true that characters like Vizsla, Boba, Jango, Scree, etc. get casually dismissed despite excellent performances against good Force users.

SithArchaeologist wrote:

In-sidiousvader wrote:

SithArchaeologist wrote:

Nova wrote:Realistically, feats like Jango's bare-handed killing of several armed Jedi just wouldn't happen. Kota getting one-shotted by Boba, Zym getting surprised and killed by Braden's rocket etc. are pretty ridiculous too.

But they do, and we need to take that into account when assessing characters like them.

Young one we may not agree on many things, but it is always a treat to find a fellow boba wanker   

Don't patronize me. But it is true that characters like Vizsla, Boba, Jango, Scree, etc. get casually dismissed despite excellent performances against good Force users.

no, I saw your profile and respected you, perhaps I made a mistake?