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Master Azronger
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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:38 pm
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The format just to post your own personal top 15 lists (can consist of any character sans the banned ones). Points are then assigned inversely proportionally to the characters’ rankings, so whoever you put in first place gets 15 points, the second place gets 14 points, and so on. The points assigned for each character are summed together to form an overall list that will reflect the aggregate community consensus. This thread will remain open perennially, and anyone can change their list whenever. MAKE A NEW POST INSTEAD OF EDITING THE OLD ONE WHEN REVISING YOUR RANKINGS. At the end of every month, the overall list at that current time will be documented down for posterior forum historians.

The metric to rank characters will be the extent that Darth Malgus (as of the novel Deceived) would need an amp to defeat them. For example, would Darth Malgus need a greater boost in raw Force potency—which, for both the purposes of this tournament and within the lore, simply amplifies all abilities proportionate to their former levels—to defeat Yoda or UnuThul? Remember that this tournament aims to rank characters based on their overall combative threat level, NOT their raw Force potency. All characters will operate at their peak actualized iterations barring circumstantial or momentary amps. While everyone will fight in-character—meaning Yoda will not be bloodlusted—they will be aiming to kill Malgus as quickly and efficiently as possible with nothing held back.

EXAMPLE:

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Two people post lists:

1. Luke Skywalker (15 points)
2. Darth Sidious (14 points)
3. Darth Krayt (13 points)
4. Valkorion (12 points)
5. Anakin Skywalker (11 points)
6. Yoda (10 points)
7. Mace Windu (9 points)
8. Darth Plagueis (8 points)
9. The Alliance Commander (7 points)
10. Vaylin (6 points)
11. Darish Vol (5 points)
12. Darth Caedus (4 points)
13. Darth Vader (3 points)
14. Revan (2 points)
15. Obi-Wan Kenobi (1 point)

1. Valkorion (15 points)
2. Lord Nyax (14 points)
3. Palpatine (13 points)
4. Luke Skywalker (12 points)
5. The Alliance Commander (11 points)
6. Vaylin (10 points)
7. Revan (9 points)
8. Anakin Skywalker (8 points)
9. Yoda (7 points)
10. Arcann (6 points)
11. Mace Windu (5 points)
12. Darth Plagueis (4 points)
13. Darth Vader (3 points)
14. Starkiller (2 points)
15. Exar Kun (1 point)

...which transfer into the overall list:

1/2/3. Luke Skywalker (27 points) / Darth Sidious (27 points) / Valkorion (27 points)
4. Anakin Skywalker (19 points)
5. The Alliance Commander (18 points)
6. Yoda (17 points)
7. Vaylin (16 points)
8/9. Mace Windu (14 points) / Lord Nyax (14 points)
10. Darth Krayt (13 points)
11. Darth Plagueis (12 points)
12. Revan (11 points)
13/14. Arcann (6 points) / Darth Vader (6 points)
15. Darish Vol (5 points)

...and further individual lists would contribute to the aggregate overall list.

BANNED CHARACTERS (you can advocate for their inclusion if you wish):

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  • The Father
  • The Son
  • The Daughter
  • Abeloth
  • The Force Priestesses
  • The Bedlam Spirits
  • Waru
  • Wutzek
  • Yuuzhan'tar
  • Zonama Sekot
  • Mnggal-Mnggal
  • Mother
  • Soa
  • World Razer
  • Darth Nihilus
  • UnuThul
  • Welk
  • Lomi Plo


OLD LISTS

Spoiler:
June 2020

Spoiler:
1. Luke Skywalker (351 points)
2. Palpatine (303.5 points)
3. Irek Ismaren (280.5 points)
4. Valkorion (225.5 points)
5. Anakin Skywalker (212.5 points)
6. Yoda (191 points)
7. Darth Krayt (143 points)
8. Mace Windu (131.5 points)
9. Alliance Commander (120 points)
10. Darth Caedus (113.5 points)
11. Vaylin (107.5 points)
12. Revan (104.5 points)
12. Darish Vol (97.5 points)
14. Darth Plagueis (65 points)
15. Count Dooku (61.5 points)

THE CURRENT LIST (JULY 2020):

1. Luke Skywalker (351 points)
2. Palpatine (303.5 points)
3. Irek Ismaren (280.5 points)
4. Valkorion (225.5 points)
5. Anakin Skywalker (212.5 points)
6. Yoda (191 points)
7. Darth Krayt (143 points)
8. Mace Windu (131.5 points)
9. Alliance Commander (120 points)
10. Darth Caedus (113.5 points)
11. Vaylin (107.5 points)
12. Revan (104.5 points)
12. Darish Vol (97.5 points)
14. Darth Plagueis (65 points)
15. Count Dooku (61.5 points)

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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:45 pm
1/2. Luke Skywalker (14.5 points) / Darth Sidious (14.5 points)
3. Darth Plagueis (13 points)
4. Darth Krayt (12 points)
5. Yoda (11 points)
6. Anakin Skywalker (10 points)
7. Mace Windu (9 points)
8. Valkorion (8 points)
9. Darth Wyyrlok III (7 points)
10. Obi-Wan Kenobi (6 points)
11. Darth Tyranus (5 points)
12. Darth Maul (4 points)
13. Kit Fisto (3 points)
14. Darth Tenebrous (2 points)
15. Darth Tenebrous's Master (1 point)

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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:51 pm
01.Luke (15 points)
02.Nyax (14 points)
03.Sidious (13 points)
04.Valkorion (12 points)
05.Krayt (11 points)
06.Vader (KF) (10 points)
07.Yoda (09 points)
08.Mace (08 points)
09.Outlander (07 points)
10.Vaylin (06 points)
11.Revan (05 points)
12.Caedus (04 points)
13.Vol (03 points)
14.Arcann (02 points)
15.Kenobi (01 point)
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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:00 pm
1. Lord Nyax (15 pts)
2. Luke Skywalker (14 pts)
3. Darth Caedus (13 pts)
4/5. Darth Krayt (11.5 pts) / Darth Sidious (11.5 pts)
6/7. KFV (9.5pts) / Darish Vol (9.5 pts)
8. Kueller (8 pts)
9. Gethezerion (7pts)
10. Yoda (6 pts)
11. Dooku (5 pts)
12. Asajj Ventress (4 pts)
13. Joruus C'Boath (3 pts)
14. Darth Maul (2 pts)
15 / 16. Aayla Secura ( 0.5 pts) / Qu Rahn (0.5 pts)
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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:19 pm
1.Luke (15)
2.Sheev(14)
3.Nyax(13)
4.KFV (12)
5.Plagueis(11)
6.Valkorion(10)
7.Yoda(9)
8.Mace Windu(8)
9.Darth Tenebrous(7)
10.Obi-Wan Kenobi(6)
11.Darth Tyranus(5)
12.The Outlander(4)
13.Saesee Tiin(3)
14.Vaylin(2)
15.Darth Caedus(1)

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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:26 pm
1.Luke(15 points)
2/3.Nyax(13.5 points)
2/3.Valk(13.5 points)
4.Darth Sidious(12 points)
5.The Outlander(11 points)
6.Vaylin(10 points)
7.Revan(9 points)
8.Arcann(8 points)
9.Anakin Skywalker(7 points)
10.Darth Caedus(6 points)
11.Yoda(5 points)
12.Count Dooku(4 points)
13.Mace Windu(3 points)
14.Darish Vol(2 points)
15. Asajj Ventress(1 point)


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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:34 pm
1. Luke (15)
2. Sidious (14)
3. Valkorion (13)
4. Nyax (12)
5. Yoda (11)
6. KFV (10)
7. Revan (9)
8. Vaylin (8)
9. Alliance Commander (7)
10. Exar Kun (6)
11. Caedus (5)
12. Mace Windu (4)
13. Arcann (3)
14. Krayt (2)
15. Dooku (1)
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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:37 pm
1. Luke Skywalker (15 points)
2. Valkorion (14 points)
3. Irek Ismaren (13 points)
4. Darth Sidious (12 points)
5. Vaylin (11 points)
6. The Alliance Commander (10 points)
7. Revan (9 points)
8. Knightfall Vader (8 points)
9. Arcann (7 points)
10. Yoda (6 points)
11. Mace Windu (5 points)
12. Starkiller (4 points)
13. Count Dooku (3 points)
14. Darth Krayt (2 points)
15. Darish Vol (1 point)
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1. Luke(15 points)
2. Nyax(14 points)
3. Sidious(13 points)
4. Valkorion(12 points)
5. KFV(11 points)
6. Outlander(10 points)
7.Vaylin(9 points)
8.Yoda(8 points)
9. Revan(7 points)
10. Caedus(6 points)
11. Vol(5 points)
12. Krayt(4 points)
13. Dooku(3 points)
14. Mace Windu( 2 points)
15. Arcann(1 point)


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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:57 pm
1 - Luke Skywalker (15)
2 - Darth Sidious (14)
3 - Irek Ismaren (13)
4 - Darth Krayt (12)
5 - Darish Vol (11)
6 - Gethzerion (10)
7 - Operation Knightfall Darth Vader (9)
8 - Yoda (8)
9 - Mace Windu (7)
10 - Darth Plagueis (6)
11 - Darth Tyranus (5)
12 - Darth Caedus (4)
13 - Cade Skywalker (3)
14 - Obi-Wan Kenobi (2)
15 - Darth Maul (1)
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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:18 pm
Where do we advocate for the inclusion of banned characters? I want to include Nihilus in this tournament. We can neglect the amp he gets from Force users for the sake of the tournament.
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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:31 pm
1. Valkorion (15 points)
2. Luke Skywalker (14 points)
3. Vaylin (13 points)
4. The Alliance Commander (12 points)
5. Darth Sidious (11 points)
6. Irek Ismaren (10 points)
7. Arcann (9 points)
8. Revan (8 points)
9. Exar Kun (7 points)
10. Tulak Hord (6 points)
11. Yoda (5 points)
12. Darth Krayt (4 points)
13. Mace Windu (3 points)
14. Darth Marr (2 points)
15. Darish Vol (1 points)


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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:34 pm
@S_W_LeGenD wrote:1. Luke Skywalker (15 points)
2. Valkorion (15 points)
3. Darth Sidious (14 points)
4. Vaylin (13 points)
5. Irek Ismaren (12 points)
6. The Alliance Commander (12 points)
7. Arcann (11 points)
8. Revan (10 points)
9. Exar Kun (9 points)
10. Tulak Hord (8 points)
11. Yoda (8 points)
12. Darth Krayt (7 points)
13. Darth Thanaton (6 points)
14. Mace Windu (5 points)
15. Darish Vol (4 points)

you can't give points like that mate, starts from 15 and lowers until 1.
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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:37 pm
@HellfireUnit wrote:you can't give points like that mate, starts from 15 and lowers until 1.

My bad. Thanks for the tip.
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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:05 pm
@S_W_LeGenD wrote:1. Valkorion (15 points)
2. Luke Skywalker (14 points)
3. Vaylin (13 points)
4. Darth Sidious (12 points)
5. Irek Ismaren (11 points)
6. The Alliance Commander (10 points)
7. Arcann (9 points)
8. Revan (8 points)
9. Exar Kun (7 points)
10. Tulak Hord (6 points)
11. Yoda (5 points)
12. Darth Krayt (4 points)
13. Mace Windu (3 points)
14. Darth Thanaton (2 points)
15. Darish Vol (1 points)

Why Vaylin above the Alliance Commander? He surpasses Vaylin by the end of KOTET, as evidenced by the fact he is capable of defeating Vaylin and Arcann combined at the end of chapter 9. Arcann also senses that the Outlander had massive power growth after killing Vaylin in chapter 8.
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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:10 pm
@XSUPREMEXSKILLZ wrote:
@S_W_LeGenD wrote:1. Valkorion (15 points)
2. Luke Skywalker (14 points)
3. Vaylin (13 points)
4. Darth Sidious (12 points)
5. Irek Ismaren (11 points)
6. The Alliance Commander (10 points)
7. Arcann (9 points)
8. Revan (8 points)
9. Exar Kun (7 points)
10. Tulak Hord (6 points)
11. Yoda (5 points)
12. Darth Krayt (4 points)
13. Mace Windu (3 points)
14. Darth Thanaton (2 points)
15. Darish Vol (1 points)

Why Vaylin above the Alliance Commander? He surpasses Vaylin by the end of KOTET, as evidenced by the fact he is capable of defeating Vaylin and Arcann combined at the end of chapter 9. Arcann also senses that the Outlander had massive power growth after killing Vaylin in chapter 8.

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@S_W_LeGenD wrote:Vaylin is extremely talented and effective combatant as well - easily one of the very best in Legends continuity.

That she was able to overwhelm an entire battalion of Knights of Zakuul is self-explanatory in so many ways. Each Knight of Zakuul is superior to an average Jedi Knight, and THEY are very effective as a COALITION by virtue of their Limitless Power philosophy which encouraged exploration and sharing of talents. While The Eternal Fleet proved very effective against the fleets of the Republic and also the Empire, Knights of Zakuul proved very effective on the surface against all manner of opponents including Jedi and Sith.

A group of average Knights of Zakuul were about to overwhelm the TRIO of The Outlander, Sith Lord Lana Beniko and one of the most powerful Knights of Zakuul Senya Tirall, in an open-ended battle but Valkorion intervened and saved the TRIO.

Vaylin could also crush her mother in an instant but her feelings prevented her from doing so. Therefore, Vaylin's loss to her mother does not count.

Vaylin stalemated Arcann in another duel and she wasn't unchained yet. Arcann is stupendously skilled with a lightsaber and otherwise.

How Vaylin was taken down after being unchained, is not a mark against her from any perspective - the TRIO of The Outlander (significantly augmented by the powers of Valkorion), Arcann and Senya Tirall. Nobody would succeed in this situation.

Vaylin is as good in combat as one can be.

Link: https://www.suspectinsightforums.com/t3468-vaylin-vs-revan


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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:15 pm
Well yeah, but Vaylin is also flanked by horizon guards in that fight, and in the end Outlander pushes through Vaylin’s last ditch assault and kills her, then according to Arcann the Outlander received tremendous power growth to the extent he believes the Outlander “absorbed Vaylin’s strength.” Then in Chapter 9 Outlander is capable of overcoming both Arcann and Vaylin simultaneously, and at the very least defeats Vaylin solo.
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on Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:19 pm
@XSUPREMEXSKILLZ wrote:Well yeah, but Vaylin is also flanked by horizon guards in that fight, and in the end Outlander pushes through Vaylin’s last ditch assault and kills her, then according to Arcann the Outlander received tremendous power growth to the extent he believes the Outlander “absorbed Vaylin’s strength.” Then in Chapter 9 Outlander is capable of overcoming both Arcann and Vaylin simultaneously, and at the very least defeats Vaylin solo.

Friend,

This ranking correspond to overall combative threat level of each character, not implied power? No? Top Fifteen Tournament - New and Updated Format 1668617588 

You may reach out to me in PM and explain your perspective in full.
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on Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:13 am
The Outlander’s growth isn’t “implied”. An example of an implication would be the HoT being described as having Vitiate level potential at least before Valkorion’s “amp”. The Outlander then grows immensely on top of that, from being stomped by Arcann as of KOTFE (after over a year of power growth) to being capable of defeating both Vaylin and Arcann at the same time (indicating that he’s at least roughly equal to the former: even the Outlander isn’t skilled enough to beat both of these combatants at once). 

We have a clear succession of power growth on the Outlander’s part that corroborates with the situation they face. While I disagree with Skillz that he’s more powerful than Vaylin by any notable degree, he’s at least a peer of her’s, and arguably has greater potential.
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on Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:31 am
@The lord of hunger @Dolph

5-Unuthul(11 points)

4/5. Darish Vol / UnuThul (12.5)

UnuThul is banned.


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on Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:31 am
Yes. We're advocating that he be unbanned
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on Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:33 am
@Dolph wrote:Yes. We're advocating that he be unbanned

Advocating that he be unbanned without posting a single reason why, yes. Good stuff!
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I don't think we can make arguments in this thread
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@Dolph

10/11. Ivaar Workan / Kyp Durron (6.5)

And I'm pretty sure this should be 5.5.
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on Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:39 am
@Dolph wrote:I don't think we can make arguments in this thread
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When Az says you should advocate for him being unbanned, I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean you just throw him on your list and then not give any reasons why he should be unbanned - that would defeat the very point of banning him in the first place.
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