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February 14th 2021, 8:09 pm
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@LadyKulvax wrote:
@LadyKulvax wrote:1.Knightfall Vader (15)
2.Onimi(14)
3.Irek Ismaren(13)
4.Grand Master Skywalker (12)
5.Reborn Darth Sidious (11)
6.Tenebrae (10)
7.Exar Kun (9)
8.Sarasu Taalon(8)
9.Darth Caedus (7)
10.The Outlander (6)
11.Empress Vaylin (5)
12.Revan (4)
13.Darish Vol (3)
14.Obi-Wan Kenobi(2)
15.Darth Tyranus (1)

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Huh???
Why is KF 1 why is Sheev so low, why is Kenobi about Tyranus, why is Taalon above Vol Top Fifteen Tournament - New and Updated Format - Page 9 1668617588
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February 14th 2021, 8:18 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:Isn't onimi banned

Didn't see Yuuzhan'tar in the list. Top Fifteen Tournament - New and Updated Format - Page 9 1076326320
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February 14th 2021, 8:22 pm
@Vaelias wrote:
@LadyKulvax wrote:
@LadyKulvax wrote:1.Knightfall Vader (15)
2.Onimi(14)
3.Irek Ismaren(13)
4.Grand Master Skywalker (12)
5.Reborn Darth Sidious (11)
6.Tenebrae (10)
7.Exar Kun (9)
8.Sarasu Taalon(8)
9.Darth Caedus (7)
10.The Outlander (6)
11.Empress Vaylin (5)
12.Revan (4)
13.Darish Vol (3)
14.Obi-Wan Kenobi(2)
15.Darth Tyranus (1)

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Huh???
Why is KF 1
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t649189.html

@Vaelias wrote:why is Sheev so low,

He's not, just isn't as strong as those above him.

@Vaelias wrote:why is Kenobi about Tyranus,

Because he becomes a near equal of Vader, who is undoubtedly beyond Dooku by a magnitude.

@Vaelias wrote:why is Taalon above Vol Top Fifteen Tournament - New and Updated Format - Page 9 1668617588

Pool.
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February 14th 2021, 8:30 pm
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AP do you actually think the gaps between KFV and Dooku/Kenobi are bigger than the gaps between Tenebrae and Outlander/Vaylin/Revan lol
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February 14th 2021, 9:02 pm
Absolutely.
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February 15th 2021, 8:23 am
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1. Darth Sidious 
2. Luke Skywalker
3. Valkorion
4. Exar Kun
5. Lord Nyax 
6. Darth Maul (Legacy)
7. Yoda 
8. Ferleen Snee
9. Darth Krayt
10. Darth Vader
11. Darth Caedus
12. Cin Drallig
13. Hero of Coruscant
14. Darth Tyranus 
15. Mace Windu


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February 15th 2021, 9:15 am
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Another knee slapper right there 😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
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February 15th 2021, 12:04 pm
@CuckedCurry wrote:Another knee slapper right there 😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
What doth be thy issues ?
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February 15th 2021, 2:34 pm
sheev > luke, drallig > dooku, vader > caedus, etc
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February 15th 2021, 2:49 pm
By Vader I assume he means KFV, other than that you're on a roll bro
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February 15th 2021, 3:22 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:By Vader I assume he means KFV, other than that you're on a roll bro
i mean, around these parts, its either anakin, or KFV, MAYBE u get a 'mustafar anakin/vader', but not very often.
dude who made the list, which one u talking about?
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February 15th 2021, 3:23 pm
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:sheev > luke, drallig > dooku, vader > caedus, etc

Well Sheev certainly is > Luke tbh. nothing even puts him behind, people just say it
Drallig is game Drallig so is > Dooku easily
and Vader is KFV
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February 15th 2021, 3:53 pm
ill leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me tbh dont wanna get burned by playing with fire
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February 18th 2021, 12:08 am
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Cloaked66: About Ressurrection, Darth Maul was brought back specifically to kill Vader and replace him as Darth Sidious apprentice right? So was Maul prepared and/or powered up to duel Vader?

Ron Marz: Yes and Yes.

Cloaked66: Maul and the Prophets agreed that Vader had too much of the light in him, and yet, they were fighting in a Dark Side Nexus. Would that mean Maul was massively power boosted, by the prophets and the planet's Nexus, while Vader was actually weaker because of it?

Ron Marz: You're overthinking it a bit at this point. I'm glad you're engaged in the story, but ultimately it's just a story.

Cloaked66: And I understand that, but the thing is that it caused many controversies between fans, specially because many things in the EU that came after it changed the way of viewing that story completely, so I wanted to use your explanation to make things clearer.

Ron Marz: Not sure what came after it; I have no control over that, so it does not play any part in my story.

Cloaked66: But when talking about Ressurrection, plot-wise, was Vader nerfed by the circumstances or not?

Ron Marz: He won, so apparently not.

Cloaked66: Ron, I just have two last questions about Ressurrection for you, it seems that your answers created a pretty big tumult in the forum in which people were talking about that. May I ask them?

Ron Marz: Yes, but these are the last two, please.

Cloaked66: 1: If Vader attacked Maul with The Force to toss, shove or choke him would he just kill him like it was implied?
2: Did Maul held advantage on dueling because of his better mobility and preparation, meaning he exploited Vader's weakness?
Also sorry for being annoying

Ron Marz: 1) Hypothetical, so we really don't know.
2) Yes, Maul had better mobility, whereas Vader is like a tank.

https://twitter.com/LoCabbage/status/1227289825604227073

me sayin that maul has an advantage is invalid cuz its part of him (or some shit like that, idk), maul used agility in some way or another throughout the whole fight, and me talking about what happened in the actual story somehow means that i agreed with u? um ok, cool beans dawg

Yup.  Trying to say it's not as impressive because Maul had an agility advantage against Vader is like saying Anakin beating Dooku isn't impressive because he has a force power advantage.  It doesn't make sense at all.  You can't take away a fighter's skillset.
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February 18th 2021, 12:35 am
why did you say this then

@iamthatguy wrote:Wait, so you're going to ask me for a citation yet claimed DE Sidious dominated Luke in combat?
?
"DE Luke was in no way comparable to DE Sheev, Sheev is magnitudes beyond Luke at this point"
Yes I stand by that, Luke is nowhere near DE Sheev, not in the slightest, not even nearly close to him
clearly you need to read DE again lol


DE Sidious was only able to undermine end of DE Luke by using TP and storms.

Citation needed, George never spoke on post ROTJ comics and novels at all, and certainly didn't confirm DE Luke was Lukes full potential, again shitting Lucas quotes out your ass 

My bad, misremembered one of his quotes.


Not really, being a dark side counterpart doesn't mean parity at all


Prove it.


Which I acknowledged.  How does this change anything?  
if you cant see how it changes anything then I question your intelligence, your claim was that Luke was comparable to DE Sheev, if you also acknowledge him being amped to the high heavens to compete with a fraction of Sheev's power, how would that not change anything, I do not understand how you can acknowledge that and still conclude he is comparable.


Because Sheev was also amped?


How, its clear as day lemme explain it again nice and simple


-TCW Quote: all present tense, speaking from a point of view of the clone wars era, referring to TCW Sidious, modern times clearly means TCW 
- Databank quote: All past tense, talks about Legacy era and Darth Krayt, Modern times clearly means Legacy seeing as that is the period the OOU narration is coming from mentions Krayt


if you are not convinced now then I'm sorry but that's just dumb.


I understand it, but it really makes no sense at all.  Krayt was a peer of a much stronger Luke than DE Luke, who was only slightly under DE Sidious combat wise.

If they're using Sidious' force storms as his actual power, than fair I guess.  But I was just thinking from a combat perspective, since Sidious couldn't pull that off in combat without killing himself.


Bro, do u know what Midichlorians do, I literally explained in my first post lol, Midichlorians are the conduit in which the force speaks to you, if there is less Midichlorians you have less force power because you have less matter for which the force to channel itself through, it has been confirmed millions of times that Vader lost force power because of this and Lucas confirmed ROTJ Vader and Luke are weaker than TPM Jinn and Kenobi 


There are multiple Legends sources saying Vader got more powerful after Mustafar.


George Lucas, Star Wars The Empire Strikes Back DVD commentary wrote:Now he's half-machine and half-man so he's lost a lot of the power of the Force and a lot of his ability to become more powerful than the Emperor


Star Wars Encyclopedia - Darth Vader wrote:Darth Vader was encased in sinister black armor. The man underneath was mortally wounded in a lightsaber duel, and the dark suit includes extensive machinery to keep Vader alive. The sounds of his mechanical lungs accompany his every step. Such injuries greatly diminished his ability to use the Force, but Vader is still very powerful.


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I dont know what on earth your basis is for that retarded claim but this should clear some stuff up

Literally all of those quotes refer to Vader not being able to reach his full potential.  There is nothing saying he can't be stronger than what he was on Mustafar.


Yeh that's not the same quote that is claiming Anakin = Sidious, the one that says Anakin = Sidious is NOT referring to potential. Besides Anakin not surpassing the emperor doesn't preclude them being equals at all 


That's the quote I've seen most people pull for Anakin's parity with Sidious.


Dooku has never been confirmed to be an 8 outside of non binding Emails,


Why exactly are they nonbinding.


ROTS Yoda is a 9 and so is AOTC Yoda.


Nah.  Sidious is the only explicit 9 mentioned during AOTC.  Yoda was mentioned, but he wasn't mentioned as a 9.


but that isn't even relevant to the what you are responding to, you claimed C-Canon sources overruled Maul and Jinn being equally matched, even though the sources I cited that state they are evenly matched is G-Canon, so no C-Canon does not override G-Canon at all, god you are stubborn, learn to just concede when you are beaten its a lot more respectable than carrying on blabbering about points that are canonically incorrect 


The episode 1 Maul journal is C-Canon though?


Jinn was tiring and not amped, idk where you got that from lol, anyway its a G-Canon quote soooo... 


"He had found a fresh reserve a strength during his meditation, and now he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied".
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February 18th 2021, 1:06 am
@Vaelias wrote:
@The Fallen Warrior wrote:oh? so we are all still being retards?
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February 18th 2021, 9:29 am
@iamthatguy

DE Sidious was only able to undermine end of DE Luke by using TP and storms.

ill ask again for this citation that you failed to provide last time

Prove it.
Your the one making the claim you are the one that needs to prove it, an unless u think Cade Skywalker > Luke Skywalker then the answer seems pretty clear tbh

Because Sheev was also amped?
He wasn't though, he cant physically exert any more power through his rotting body, its already decaying with the power he possesses, also Sheev is a Nexus and a Nexus cant be amped by a Nexus especially a Nexus that is created because of his own power and is weaker than his own Nexus

I understand it, but it really makes no sense at all. Krayt was a peer of a much stronger Luke than DE Luke, who was only slightly under DE Sidious combat wise.

If they're using Sidious' force storms as his actual power, than fair I guess. But I was just thinking from a combat perspective, since Sidious couldn't pull that off in combat without killing himself.

Obviously its referring to full power, and Krayt is not a peer of Luke at this point

There are multiple Legends sources saying Vader got more powerful after Mustafar.
yep all from bin tier sources like children's books that are all outdated and retconned to fuck by G-Canon

Literally all of those quotes refer to Vader not being able to reach his full potential. There is nothing saying he can't be stronger than what he was on Mustafar.
are you actually a retard ?

Now he's half-machine and half-man so he's lost a lot of the power of the Force
Such injuries greatly diminished his ability to use the Force
The skill and power that Anakin shows as a young man is greater than what we see in the class films, as Vader
his formidable powers were drastically reduced by his injuries
The Jedi from the prequels would demonstrate far more power and agility than they had in the classic trilogy

It quite literally cant get clearer than that, like it literally can not get any clearer

That's the quote I've seen most people pull for Anakin's parity with Sidious.
There's 2 G-Canon quotes and 2 IU C-Canon quotes that I've shown you and you have previously proven too dumb to understand

Why exactly are they nonbinding.
Because the only reason Gillard statements were binding was because he was part of the production team and decided upon his statements in accordance with Lucas, the emails are him no longer part of the team and nothing is relayed with Lucas

Nah. Sidious is the only explicit 9 mentioned during AOTC. Yoda was mentioned, but he wasn't mentioned as a 9.
So you are just assuming he is not a 9? its out in the open but we can assume he is a 9 from literally ALL evidence we have and not just 'bEcaUsE hE wAsnT mEnTioNeD aS oNe'
use your head

The episode 1 Maul journal is C-Canon though?
Yes it is, Whats your point ? G-Canon has them as equals

"He had found a fresh reserve a strength during his meditation, and now he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied".
Yeh, as I said he was tiring, he regained his energy essentially not an amp lol, if go on a run then sit down an rest for a minute and go again you wouldn't say I'm 'amped' would you lol
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