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on July 15th 2020, 3:19 pm
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@CuckedCurry wrote:It isn’t convincing, that’s why you forgot it Top Fifteen Tournament - New and Updated Format - Page 5 3344068304

Yes, a character that is most certainly magnitudes above Talzin who is significantly above Kenobi is forgottable

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on July 15th 2020, 3:30 pm
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Shit meme for a shit character Top Fifteen Tournament - New and Updated Format - Page 5 3344068304
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on July 15th 2020, 3:47 pm
@CuckedCurry wrote:Shit meme for a shit character Top Fifteen Tournament - New and Updated Format - Page 5 3344068304
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on July 16th 2020, 8:26 am
@Master Azronger wrote:
@LOTL wrote:
@Master Azronger wrote:1. Darth Sidious (15 points)
2. Luke Skywalker (14 points)
3. Darth Plagueis (13 points)
4. Darth Krayt (12 points)
5. Yoda (11 points)
6. Anakin Skywalker (10 points)
7. Mace Windu (9 points)
8. Valkorion (8 points)
9. Darth Wyyrlok III (7 points)
10. Obi-Wan Kenobi (6 points)
11. Darth Tyranus (5 points)
12. Darth Maul (4 points)
13. Kit Fisto (3 points)
14. Darth Tenebrous (2 points)
15. Darth Tenebrous's Master (1 point)

Why is Kit so high?

Blocked a few strikes from Sheev

While great and may serve to put him above the earlier Banite Sith, what makes the disparity between Tenebrous and Palpatine so vast that he cannot even block some strikes? 

And if Tenebrous is a 7 and Palpatine 9, where does that put Bane? Speaking logically, it is unlikely that the Banite lineage progressed in power exponentially though. We are talking about potential

We know Zannah is only 32 in DoE, and going by the PT trends, she has 20 years to grow in power to be at her best. It is likely that prime Zannah is substantially better than Bane. The same applies to Gean. As we have discussed, it is quite likely that the apprentice becomes noticeably better than the master at the completion of their potential. So where would Bane be then? 

He certainly wouldn't be 7. And assuming that these aren't outliers, he certainly is not a 6 too. Maybe a 5? Is that a tenable position? This isn't strict logic but sometimes we have to put the logical axioms aside and look at the big picture. Doesn't look correct. 

Unless of course you have solid evidence to prove Tenebrous gets one-shot by Palpatine
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on July 16th 2020, 10:47 am
TPM Maul > Tenebrous, and TPM Maul couldn't block even a single strike from a less powerful and likely less trying Sidious than the one who assaulted Fisto.

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on July 16th 2020, 4:03 pm
@Master Azronger wrote:TPM Maul > Tenebrous, and TPM Maul couldn't block even a single strike from a less powerful and likely less trying Sidious than the one who assaulted Fisto.
try not to speak facts so damn destroyingly. give them a chance az smh
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on July 16th 2020, 4:05 pm
I have to agree that putting Fisto that high is a bit of a stretch. Fisto also had an amped Mace's aid, which Agen and Tinn didn't have. Also, in the ROTS comic Fisto was complete fodder to Sidious, he wasn't even shown to block a single attack.
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on July 17th 2020, 12:50 am
@Master Azronger wrote:TPM Maul > Tenebrous, and TPM Maul couldn't block even a single strike from a less powerful and likely less trying Sidious than the one who assaulted Fisto.

Is this the Hypori scaling?
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on July 17th 2020, 8:12 am
@LOTL Nah, Maul has a quote placing him above all other sith prior:

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on July 17th 2020, 8:24 am
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New list because I can't hold a POV for longer than a couple weeks apparently:

01.Sidious (15 Points)
02.Luke (14 Points)
03.Nyax (13 Points)
04.Valkorion (12 Points)
05.Krayt (11 Points)
06.Vader (KF) (10 Points)
07.Yoda (09 Points)
08.Mace (08 Points)
09.Caedus (07 Points)
10.Kenobi (06 Points)
11.Dooku (05 Points)
12.Plagueis (04 Points)
13.Maul (03 Points)
14.Ventress (02 Points)
15.Fisto (01 Point)
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on July 17th 2020, 4:27 pm
My list

1. Luke (15)
2. Palpatine (14)
3. Valkorion (13)
4. Nyax (12)
5. Anakin/Vader (11)
6. Yoda (10)
7. Revan (9)
8. The Outlander (8)
9. Vaylin (7)
10. Krayt (6)
11. Vol (5)
12. Caedus (4)
13. Mace (3)
14. Dooku (2)
15. Arcann (1)


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on July 18th 2020, 4:50 am
My list:
1. Luke (15)
2. Palpatine (14)
3/4. Nyax (12.5)
3/4. Valkorion (12.5)
5/6. Krayt (10.5)
5/6. Vaylin (10.5)
7. Yoda (9)
8/9. Hotlander (7.5)
8/9. KF Vader (7.5)
10. Mace Windu (6)
11/12. Revan (4.5)
11/12. Plagueis (4.5)
13. Darish Vol (3)
14. Caedus (2)
15. Kyp Durron (1)
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on July 18th 2020, 5:43 am
Updated

1 - Luke Skywalker (15)
2 - Darth Sidious (14)
3 - Irek Ismaren (13)
4 - Gethzerion (12)
5 - Yoda (11)
6 - Mace Windu (10)
7 - Darth Plagueis (9)
8 - Darth Krayt (8)
9 - Anakin Skywalker (7)
10 - Darish Vol (6)
11 - Mother Talzin (5)
12 - Darth Tyranus (4)
13 - Darth Caedus (3)
14 - Obi-Wan Kenobi (2)
15 - Darth Maul (1)


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on July 18th 2020, 10:00 am
No Sidious?
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on July 18th 2020, 4:40 pm
@Meatpants wrote:No Sidious?
who?
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on July 19th 2020, 3:44 pm
Updated mine

1. Luke(15 points)
2. Sidious(14 points)
3. Nyax(13 points)
4. Valkorion(12 points)
5. KFV(11 points)
6. Yoda(10 points)
7. Outlander(9 points)
8. Vaylin(8 points)
9. Mace Windu(7 points)
10. Revan(6 points)
11. Caedus(5 points)
12. Darish Vol (4 points)
13. Krayt(3 points)
14. Count Dooku(2 points)
15. Plagueis(1 point)

Others: GethZerion, Arcann, Kenobi. Top Fifteen Tournament - New and Updated Format - Page 5 39523600
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on July 22nd 2020, 2:50 pm
I don't get the Geth hype lol. She is just a one-dimensional, one-off, evil, literally cackling villain with less than a handful of appearences, in one book in a notoriously wacky and inconsistent era of SW publishing, in which she cheap-shots a off-guard Luke (who was deemed unimpressive by Teneniel and bonked, in that book basically pportrayed as merely a above average master), while Dathomir-amped.

Later in Young Jedi Knights 2 Luke thinks that the new Nightsisters under Tamith Kai are more dangerous than the previous generation (Geth) and people like Vilas (who is sub-Zekk) go around dazzling other clans with their amazing power to drive the point home. A 14 year old Tenel Ka then one-shots Tamith, without using force augmentation. Unless it's on Dathomir I would probably vote Tenel Ka before Geth.

1. Luke
2. Sheev
3. Valkorion
4. Nyax (as wrong as it feels)
5. Caedus
6. Yoda
7. Kyp Durron (seriously underrepresented on these lists even if you don't have him as high)
8. Plagueis
9. Revan
10. Krayt
11. Outlander
12. Mace
13. Vailyn
14. Darish Vol
15. Marka Ragnos


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on July 22nd 2020, 2:51 pm
@RhoyneDelta wrote:I don't get the Geth hype lol. She is just a one-dimensional, one-off, evil, literally cackling villain with less than a handful of appearences, in one book in a notoriously wacky and inconsistent era of SW publishing, in which she cheap-shots a off-guard Luke (who was deemed unimpressive by Teneniel and bonked, in that book basically pportrayed as merely a above average master), while Dathomir-amped.

Later in Young Jedi Knights 2 Luke thinks that the new Nightsisters under Tamith Kai are more dangerous than the previous generation (Geth) and people like Vilas (who is sub-Zekk) go around dazzling other clans with their amazing power to drive the point home. A 14 year old Tenel Ka then one-shots, without using force augmentation. Unless it's on Dathomir I would probably vote Tenel Ka before Geth.

1. Luke
2. Sheev
3. Valkorion
4. Nyax (as wrong as it feels)
5. Caedus
6. Yoda
7. Kyp Durron (seriously underrepresented on these lists even if you don't have him as high)
8. Plagueis
9. Revan
10. Krayt
11. Outlander
12. Mace
13. Vailyn
14. Darish Vol
15. Marka Ragnos
just one question where is knightfall Darth Vader on there?
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on July 22nd 2020, 2:58 pm
@RhoyneDelta wrote:I don't get the Geth hype lol. She is just a one-dimensional, one-off, evil, literally cackling villain with less than a handful of appearences, in one book in a notoriously wacky and inconsistent era of SW publishing, in which she cheap-shots a off-guard Luke (who was deemed unimpressive by Teneniel and bonked, in that book basically pportrayed as merely a above average master), while Dathomir-amped.

Later in Young Jedi Knights 2 Luke thinks that the new Nightsisters under Tamith Kai are more dangerous than the previous generation (Geth) and people like Vilas (who is sub-Zekk) go around dazzling other clans with their amazing power to drive the point home. A 14 year old Tenel Ka then one-shots Tamith, without using force augmentation. Unless it's on Dathomir I would probably vote Tenel Ka before Geth.

1. Luke
2. Sheev
3. Valkorion
4. Nyax (as wrong as it feels)
5. Caedus
6. Yoda
7. Kyp Durron (seriously underrepresented on these lists even if you don't have him as high)
8. Plagueis
9. Revan
10. Krayt
11. Outlander
12. Mace
13. Vailyn
14. Darish Vol
15. Marka Ragnos

After that Geth criticism, I am surprised that you put sub Jedi Padawan Marka Ragnos in top 15.
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on July 22nd 2020, 3:11 pm
@HellfireUnit wrote:
@RhoyneDelta wrote:I don't get the Geth hype lol. She is just a one-dimensional, one-off, evil, literally cackling villain with less than a handful of appearences, in one book in a notoriously wacky and inconsistent era of SW publishing, in which she cheap-shots a off-guard Luke (who was deemed unimpressive by Teneniel and bonked, in that book basically pportrayed as merely a above average master), while Dathomir-amped.

Later in Young Jedi Knights 2 Luke thinks that the new Nightsisters under Tamith Kai are more dangerous than the previous generation (Geth) and people like Vilas (who is sub-Zekk) go around dazzling other clans with their amazing power to drive the point home. A 14 year old Tenel Ka then one-shots Tamith, without using force augmentation. Unless it's on Dathomir I would probably vote Tenel Ka before Geth.

1. Luke
2. Sheev
3. Valkorion
4. Nyax (as wrong as it feels)
5. Caedus
6. Yoda
7. Kyp Durron (seriously underrepresented on these lists even if you don't have him as high)
8. Plagueis
9. Revan
10. Krayt
11. Outlander
12. Mace
13. Vailyn
14. Darish Vol
15. Marka Ragnos

After that Geth criticism, I am surprised that you put sub Jedi Padawan Marka Ragnos in top 15.

Sub-padawans meaning depends on the padawan, titles are not super-important. A lot of villains are padawan dropouts stronger than most masters and a Grandmaster was killed by a bounty hunter. Jaden Korr is pretty formidable and Ragnos had to deal with a lot of circumstances and fuckery, plus Luke had said that it would take the entire NJO to take on alive Marka so he was clearly supposed to be more impressive.

That being said I am not super-attached to him and probably could have chosen Arcann or Kueller just as well.
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on July 22nd 2020, 3:13 pm
@The lord of hunger wrote:
@RhoyneDelta wrote:I don't get the Geth hype lol. She is just a one-dimensional, one-off, evil, literally cackling villain with less than a handful of appearences, in one book in a notoriously wacky and inconsistent era of SW publishing, in which she cheap-shots a off-guard Luke (who was deemed unimpressive by Teneniel and bonked, in that book basically pportrayed as merely a above average master), while Dathomir-amped.

Later in Young Jedi Knights 2 Luke thinks that the new Nightsisters under Tamith Kai are more dangerous than the previous generation (Geth) and people like Vilas (who is sub-Zekk) go around dazzling other clans with their amazing power to drive the point home. A 14 year old Tenel Ka then one-shots, without using force augmentation. Unless it's on Dathomir I would probably vote Tenel Ka before Geth.

1. Luke
2. Sheev
3. Valkorion
4. Nyax (as wrong as it feels)
5. Caedus
6. Yoda
7. Kyp Durron (seriously underrepresented on these lists even if you don't have him as high)
8. Plagueis
9. Revan
10. Krayt
11. Outlander
12. Mace
13. Vailyn
14. Darish Vol
15. Marka Ragnos
just one question where is knightfall Darth Vader on there?

Too circumstancial, brief and off-screen, otherwise I probably would have added Worldbrain Ganner also. If I had to I would put him maybe at 6.
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on July 22nd 2020, 6:50 pm
I think he deserves the spot especially given his accolades and the Rots novel.
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on July 23rd 2020, 8:11 am
@RhoyneDelta Welcome to the forum. From where do you hail?

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on July 23rd 2020, 1:28 pm
Editing for the last time to say I've found a placement for Vol:

01.Sidious (15 Points)
02.Luke (14 Points)
03.Nyax (13 Points)
04.Valkorion (12 Points)
05.Krayt (11 Points)
06.Vader (Pre-Suit) (10 Points)
07.Yoda (09 Points)
08.Mace (08 Points)
09.Caedus (07 Points)
10.Kenobi (06 Points)
11.Dooku (05 Points)
12.Plagueis (04 Points)
13.Maul (03 Points)
14.Vol (02 Points)
15.Ventress (01 Point)
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on July 23rd 2020, 2:15 pm
@Azronger I am from Comicvine where I have mostly been lurking. I made a account for here a few months ago, but had not posted or read much until recently. The Top 15 tournament was a treasure trove of memes and interesting arguments.
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