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on August 24th 2019, 12:18 am
@DarthAnt66 characters that are higher in the same tier are not necessarily stronger than those that are lower. I put Arcann in this tier due to the fact that he was much more powerful than the early Outlander in KotFE, who previously encountered in Vitiate. IIRC, Outlander was named the strongest opponent of the Emperor at the time of the first chapter. I do not presume to say that Arcann is more powerful than Revan, but I am sure that they are at least at the same level.
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on August 24th 2019, 1:25 am
@Shioz wrote:IIRC, Outlander was named the strongest opponent of the Emperor at the time of the first chapter

Right, but Revan's dead as of the first chapter.
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on August 25th 2019, 12:20 am
@NotAA3

Well just off of the top of my head, I recalled seeing multiple sources straight up confirming that Yoda was the most powerful Jedi to have ever lived by Revenge of the Sith:


Yoda was the most respected and most powerful Master ever to have walked the corridors of the Jedi Temple.
—Star Wars Fact Files

As you can see, I posted one above. I'm certain that there are more quotes regarding him as the strongest Jedi ever, but this is just one of them that I had on me, and frankly I don't feel like hunting any others down at the moment. 

If this quote has been debunked then feel free to elaborate on how they aren't valid.
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on August 25th 2019, 2:14 am
@Blade_of_dorin iirc the Star Wars fact file is an in-universe source.
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on August 25th 2019, 2:58 am
@MasterCilghal wrote:@Blade_of_dorin iirc the Star Wars fact file is an in-universe source.
Interesting, I wasn't aware of this
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on August 25th 2019, 1:46 pm
@Blade_of_Dorin

1. Fact Files is in-universe.

2. I don't recall The Outlander ever walking the halls of the Coruscant Jedi Temple.

3. Supremacy quotes are subjective as per Chee.
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on August 25th 2019, 1:48 pm
@NotAA3 wrote:@Blade_of_Dorin

1. Fact Files is in-universe.

2. I don't recall The Outlander ever walking the halls of the Coruscant Jedi Temple.

3. Supremacy quotes are subjective as per Chee.
1. Doesn't mean we ignore them.

2. He canonically did. It's where he fought Angral's son.

3. Yet we still abide by them.
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on August 25th 2019, 1:49 pm
When you forget one of the first Sith the Outlander beats
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on August 25th 2019, 1:54 pm
@PeraltaEagle45

1. Doesn't mean we ignore them.

Strawmann. I never said we should ignore them but the fact that the quote is in-universe means it's subject to scrutiny since historians have no way to accurately judge these characters.

2. He canonically did. It's where he fought Angral's son.

Sorry my memory of the class storylines is a bit hazy. Been a while since I played them.

3. Yet we still abide by them.

There is no "we" in this scenario. Nothing in the forum rules indicates the quotes are binding and given that they're outright stated to be subjective I'm not inclined to use them.
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on August 25th 2019, 1:56 pm
Basileus wrote:When you forget one of the first Sith the Outlander beats

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on August 25th 2019, 1:59 pm
Regardless, Yoda has better feats than the Outlander across the board. I wouldn't place him above even Plagueis.
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on August 25th 2019, 3:02 pm
Well, I mean, Revan's above Plagueis, and Outlander takes 4/10 against him, so....
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on August 25th 2019, 3:11 pm
No way Revan is above Plagueis.
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on August 25th 2019, 3:24 pm
Why not? Being able to beat Nox, the HoT, Barsen’thor, and Wrath II, as well as beating Satele Shan, Marr, Wrath, HoT, Nox, or Barsen’thor, as well as Mandalore the Avenger and Jakarro puts him far above Plagueis.
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on August 25th 2019, 3:38 pm
Those guys are fodder compared to Plagueis. Plagueis is superior to TPM Sidious. He would speedblitz the ones you count and ragdoll them.
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on August 25th 2019, 3:55 pm
Debatable. HoT and Barsen’thor have amazing scaling with Vivicar, as well as Revan’s Kun scaling, give him an edge above Plagueis. Plagueis’ feats are extremely overrated. Revan scales far, far above the First Son as well, putting him above Plagueis.
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on August 25th 2019, 4:00 pm
Plagueis feats aren't overrated tbh, triggering the Force itself is superior to anything Revan has done. Besides that, Plagueis combat and Force mastery is on par with Sidious, the strongest Sith Lord of all time. I'd write more but can't atm.
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on August 25th 2019, 4:08 pm
@NotAA3 wrote:@PeraltaEagle45

1. Doesn't mean we ignore them.

Strawmann. I never said we should ignore them but the fact that the quote is in-universe means it's subject to scrutiny since historians have no way to accurately judge these characters.

2. He canonically did. It's where he fought Angral's son.

Sorry my memory of the class storylines is a bit hazy. Been a while since I played them.

3. Yet we still abide by them.

There is no "we" in this scenario. Nothing in the forum rules indicates the quotes are binding and given that they're outright stated to be subjective I'm not inclined to use them.

What is your stance on feats?
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on August 26th 2019, 12:10 am
Yes, please explain how Plagueis is “overrated”.
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on August 26th 2019, 11:54 pm
Where would you guys put ROTJ Luke on here? I’d say he’s an 8.
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on August 27th 2019, 12:02 am
RotJ Luke is below Vader. Roughly equal to Vader with rage amps and confliction involved. Take that as you will
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on August 27th 2019, 11:42 am
ROTJ Luke as a baseline is equal to Vader. With a rage boost he can stomp him. So yeah, base Luke should be an 8, enraged Luke should also be an 8 but much higher up.
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on August 27th 2019, 1:01 pm
Greysentinel365 wrote:RotJ Luke is below Vader. Roughly equal to Vader with rage amps and confliction involved. Take that as you will

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on August 27th 2019, 1:02 pm
RotJ Luke is tier 7, if we're going by the Gillard tiers, imo.
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on August 27th 2019, 2:14 pm
@Meatpants wrote:RotJ Luke is tier 7, if we're going by the Gillard tiers, imo.
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