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on August 20th 2019, 11:32 pm
Lol.
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on August 20th 2019, 11:32 pm
Bane is a t7 imo
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on August 21st 2019, 12:36 am
Outcast wrote:Bane definitely belongs in 8.

Per this system? Not really
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on August 21st 2019, 2:50 am
@KingofBlades wrote:Bane is massively inferior to any PT juggernaut via baneite scaling. He doesn't belong anywhere near the likes of tier 8s like Dooku.
 Prove that Bane is so far below Dooku as you claim. And as far as I know doesn't the banite scaling only apply to those who have surpassed their masters? Dooku never did


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on August 21st 2019, 3:03 am
@Reynard (Ethanion) wrote:I only really care about the PT, so I’ll be focusing on that.

Tier 9:


9.5: IH Enraged Anakin
9.4: KFV
9.3: Darth Sidious (ROTS)
9.2: Yoda (ROTS)
9.1: IH Semi Enraged Anakin
9.0: TPM Sheev, Darth Plagueis

Tier 8:


8.9: Darth Tyranus (ROTS), Mace Windu (ROTS), Darth Tenebrous
8.8: LS IH Anakin, DS TCW Anakin, AOTC Dooku, Out of practice Yoda (that changes during the Dooku fight imo), DD Vos
8.7: LS Later TCW Anakin, most of Windu’s performances point to here or the spot below
8.6: Darth Maul (SoD), Obi Wan Kenobi (ROTS), DD Ventress
8.5: S7 GG, Asajj Ventress, LS DD Vos
8.4: Oppo Rancisis, Yarael Poof, potentiality Yaddle, First of Returned Maul
8.3: Savage Opress, Cin Drallig
8.2: Darth Maul TPM, In the moment Fisto
8.1: Agen Kolar is here based off hype, and balancing with feats tbh
8.0: DS Anakin AOTC

Tier 7: 


7.9: Ki Adi Mundi, 
7.8: AOTC Anakin, Adi Gallia, DS TPM Kenobi
7.7: Qui Gon Jinn, Reg. Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin, Eeth Koth
7.6: Luminara Unduli, Season 5 Ahsoka, AOTC Kenobi, Plo Koon
7.5: Sora Bulq, Depa Bilaba
7.4: TPM Kenobi, some mid Ahsoka probably
7.3: Tholme
7.2: DS Vos
7.1: Shaak Ti
7.0: A lot of councilors

And after this who the fuck cares lol, Vader is below everyone by a fair bit though.
 I know you've repped Vader before on CV, why reduce to cringe tier trolling?
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on August 21st 2019, 3:07 am
@ILS wrote:In contention:

Revan - Tier 8 or 9? So far its a slight majority for 9.

Bane - Tier 7 or tier 8?

We have tier 9 for Outlander and Vaylin. Not sure myself but that's where I put them for now until someone challenges this.

Galen/Starkiller - Tier 8 or 9?

Kyp Durron - 7, 8 or 9?

Jaina - 7 or 8?

Tenebrous - 8 or 9?

I'd say the Outlander, and Vaylin need to be dropped from 9 to 8. Valkorion was showcasing a edge over their and Arcann's combined power, so it's kind of unbelievable to have them all on the same level when one is so far superior to all of them even collectively, much less individually. Like how big can the gaps between tiers really be?

Tenebrous and Galen are also 8.

I'd contest RotJ Sidious is closer to 10 than 9 though, and that TPM Sidious be a 9.
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on August 21st 2019, 9:00 am
Sam wrote:
@KingofBlades wrote:Bane is massively inferior to any PT juggernaut via baneite scaling. He doesn't belong anywhere near the likes of tier 8s like Dooku.
 Prove that Bane is so far below Dooku as you claim. And as far as I know doesn't the banite scaling only apply to those who have surpassed their masters? Dooku never did
Dooku based on his placement relative to Sheev and Yoda is probably at least around Tenebrous level. That still gives him massive scaling over Bane.
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on August 21st 2019, 10:00 am
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@ILS wrote:

I'd say the Outlander, and Vaylin need to be dropped from 9 to 8. Valkorion was showcasing a edge over their and Arcann's combined power, so it's kind of unbelievable to have them all on the same level when one is so far superior to all of them even collectively, much less individually. Like how big can the gaps between tiers really be?

Or just move Valk to a 10 Force User Tiers - Page 2 1019854026
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on August 21st 2019, 10:30 am
Well that's the question. Is Valk just so insanely powerful that he can embarrass a tier 9 or are they not really tier 9 to begin with?

I think that's a debate worth having. Valk doesn't really have anything pinning him under Luke or Sheev persay.
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on August 21st 2019, 10:43 am
Yeah there is definitely an interesting conversation to be had. If we keep Valk on T9 and drop Vaylin/Outlander to T8 then do you drop Arcann to T7 since a vastly pre-prime Vaylin was matching prime Arcann? I'm not sure how you can justify Arcann being decisively below the people in T8.
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on August 21st 2019, 10:49 am
Kyp should be 8, while Jaina definitely 7
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on August 21st 2019, 11:32 am
I’d say Kyp should be a high 8. His Dovin Basal feats were impressive. Revan should be low 9 (9.2) and Valk should be .15 above ROTS Sidious. Maybe just .1
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on August 21st 2019, 12:30 pm
Note: Characters are ordered within their respective tiers with the strongest being mentioned first and the weakest last. For example, in tier 10 ("Luke, Sidious (DE), Valkorion, Nyax, Nihilus.") Luke is the strongest and Nihilus is the weakest.

Gonna rank all eras and I'll probably forget a bunch of characters. I'll start at 10 and work my way down to 8 (I don't really care about ranking beyond that). Note that I'll also rank different iterations of a character just to demonstrate a kind of overall hierarchy so the gaps I have between certain characters will become clearer. If I don't specify which version of a character it is that person most likely won't appear on my list again so assume their peak iteration.

Tier 10+: Luke, Sidious (DE), Valkorion, Nyax, Nihilus.

High Tier 9: KF Vader, The Outlander, Unchained Vaylin.

Mid-tier 9: Sidious (ROTS), Yoda (ROTS), Vitiate (SWTOR: Jedi Knight: Act 2), Revan (SWTOR: SOR).

Low tier 9: Chained Vaylin, Arcann (KOTET), Starkiller, Vitiate (SWTOR: Revan), Revan, (SWTOR: Revan), UnuThul, Darish Vol.

High tier 8: Anakin Skywalker (Start of ROTS), Count Dooku, Plagueis, Sidious (TPM pre-boost), Darth Krayt (Legacy: War), Cade Skywalker (Legacy: War), Darth Caedus, Revan (KOTOR), Arcann (KOTFE), Tenebrous.

Mid-tier 8: Exar Kun, Darth Krayt (Legacy), Darth Wyyrlok, Ulic Qel-Droma, Darth Malak, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Darth Maul (SoD), Darth Revan, The Hero of Tython (SWTOR: Jedi Knight: Act 3), The Emperor's Wrath II (SWTOR: Sith Warrior: Act 3), Darth Marr.

Low tier 8: Cade Skywalker (Legacy), Darth Zannah, Darth Bane, Darth Maul (TPM), Darth Vader, Saba Setayne, Asajj Ventress, Savage Opress, A'Sharad Hett, Barsen'thor (SWTOR: Jedi Consular: Act 3), Darth Nyriss, Meetra Surik, Darth Nihl, Darth Talon, Darth Jadus, Darth Malgus, Darth Nox (SWTOR: Sith Inquisitor: Act 3).

Might update this in future if while reading it I think of a character I missed.


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on August 21st 2019, 12:32 pm
Tiers are ordered (Some people who I don't have concrete thoughts on such as Durron, Nihilus, Lomi, Welk, Most Members Of The Lost Tribe ect were absent):

Tier 9:

Upper End:

Luke
Sidious
Nyax
Valkorion

Middle Section:

KF Vader
Yoda
UnuThul
Vol

Lower End:

Windu

Tier 8:

Upper End:

Starkiller
Revan
The Outlander
Vaylin

Upper-Mid:

Plagueis
Caedus
Dooku
Krayt
Arcann
Tenebrous

Middle Section:

Malak (SF)

Lower-Mid:

Kenobi
Maul
Vader
Wyyrlok
Cade
Kun
Jerec

Lower End:

Zannah
Bane
Saba
Ulic
Act 3 Protags
Marr
Satele
Malgus
Ventress
Savage
Kyle

This is a rough outline of the 9's and 8's that is far from set in stone. Might alter and add the 7's later.
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on August 21st 2019, 12:35 pm
@DC77 (Reborn) your tier 8 has an extraordinary range of power Force User Tiers - Page 2 1668617588
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on August 21st 2019, 12:42 pm
@Praxis There can be massive gaps within the tiers themselves and there's a lot of people who I feel deserve the 8 spot.

Shrugs.
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on August 21st 2019, 12:42 pm
@Praxis wrote:@DC77 (Reborn) your tier 8 has an extraordinary range of power Force User Tiers - Page 2 1668617588

It certainly does. Force User Tiers - Page 2 1668617588
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on August 21st 2019, 12:59 pm
A lot of this is keeping in relation with other characters, and it makes me sick to my anus putting anyone on full FOTJ Luke wank tier. Just sick. This won't be a long list, just some anchors and characters that define a tier for me. Not doing point systems, just assume they're in the same tier even with a disparity unless someone is "far more powerful"

In no order

Tier 11:
Crucible/FOTJ Luke

Tier 10:
Pre-FOTJ Luke
Nyax
DE Sheev
Unuthul

Tier 9:
BFC!Luke
Yoda
Sheev

Tier 8: 
Starforgian Malak
Count Dooku
[Gap]
Mace Windu

Tier 7:
Exar Kun
Obi-Wan

Tier 6:
Agen Kolar
Kit Fisto

Yeah, that's a good list so far. I'll get back to this one of these tomorrows.
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on August 21st 2019, 1:45 pm
Revan - Tier 8 or 9? So far its a slight majority for 9?

I'd say 9 tbh.

Bane - Tier 7 or tier 8?

Definitely an 8.

We have tier 9 for Outlander and Vaylin. Not sure myself but that's where I put them for now until someone challenges this.

Yeah, they should stay there. Though, imo given that Valk basically manhandled them he should be a tier 10.

Galen/Starkiller - Tier 8 or 9?

I can see a case for either tbh though I'd place him as a very low 9.

Kyp Durron - 7, 8 or 9?

Don't have conclusive thoughts on Kyp right now though he's definitely not a 7.

Jaina - 7 or 8?

Definitely a 7. Doesn't have the feats to suggest she's an 8.

Tenebrous - 8 or 9?

Definitely an 8.


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on August 21st 2019, 1:50 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:
Sam wrote:
@KingofBlades wrote:Bane is massively inferior to any PT juggernaut via baneite scaling. He doesn't belong anywhere near the likes of tier 8s like Dooku.
 Prove that Bane is so far below Dooku as you claim. And as far as I know doesn't the banite scaling only apply to those who have surpassed their masters? Dooku never did
Dooku based on his placement relative to Sheev and Yoda is probably at least around Tenebrous level. That still gives him massive scaling over Bane.
Since Lucas likened Dooku's power level to Vader and Maul's, I think this notion that he is somehow close to sheev level can die
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on August 21st 2019, 1:50 pm
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on August 21st 2019, 1:51 pm
Place Cilghal as a 6 btw, maybe even a low 7
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on August 21st 2019, 1:55 pm
@NotAA3 wrote:Force User Tiers - Page 2 3948126588
But Dooku isn't close to Palpatine. U can post a funny emoji all you want, still won't change anything
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on August 21st 2019, 1:57 pm
>Dooku puts up a respectable fight against Yoda while exhausted in AOTC.

>Sam: Sidious and Dooku are leagues apart in power.

I'll post as many funny emojis as I want, thank you very much.

Edit: Sorry if this post sounds aggressive.


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on August 21st 2019, 2:12 pm
No need to apologise, you didn't sound aggressive. Anyway I will respond once I get on my laptop. I can't type for shit on my phone
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