Re: Force User Tiers

Re: Force User Tiers · August 21st 2019, 2:23 pm

@sam i didn't say he was sheev level. I pegged him around Tenebrous level. Which still puts him way above Bane.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 21st 2019, 8:57 pm

NotAA3 wrote:Note: Characters are ordered within their respective tiers with the strongest being mentioned first and the weakest last. For example, in tier 10 ("Luke, Sidious (DE), Valkorion, Nyax, Nihilus.") Luke is the strongest and Nihilus is the weakest.

Gonna rank all eras and I'll probably forget a bunch of characters. I'll start at 10 and work my way down to 8 (I don't really care about ranking beyond that). Note that I'll also rank different iterations of a character just to demonstrate a kind of overall hierarchy so the gaps I have between certain characters will become clearer. If I don't specify which version of a character it is that person most likely won't appear on my list again so assume their peak iteration.

Tier 10+: Luke, Sidious (DE), Valkorion, Nyax, Nihilus.

High Tier 9: KF Vader, The Outlander, Unchained Vaylin.

Mid-tier 9: Sidious (ROTS), Yoda (ROTS), Vitiate (SWTOR: Jedi Knight: Act 2), Revan (SWTOR: SOR).

Low tier 9: Chained Vaylin, Arcann (KOTET), Starkiller, Vitiate (SWTOR: Revan), Revan, (SWTOR: Revan), UnuThul, Darish Vol.

High tier 8: Anakin Skywalker (Start of ROTS), Count Dooku, Plagueis, Sidious (TPM pre-boost), Darth Krayt (Legacy: War), Cade Skywalker (Legacy: War), Darth Caedus, Revan (KOTOR), Arcann (KOTFE), Tenebrous.

Mid-tier 8: Exar Kun, Darth Krayt (Legacy), Darth Wyyrlok, Ulic Qel-Droma, Darth Malak, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Darth Maul (SoD), Darth Revan, The Hero of Tython (SWTOR: Jedi Knight: Act 3), The Emperor's Wrath II (SWTOR: Sith Warrior: Act 3), Darth Marr.

Low tier 8: Cade Skywalker (Legacy), Darth Zannah, Darth Bane, Darth Maul (TPM), Darth Vader, Saba Setayne, Asajj Ventress, Savage Opress, A'Sharad Hett, Barsen'thor (SWTOR: Jedi Consular: Act 3), Darth Nyriss, Meetra Surik, Darth Nihl, Darth Talon, Darth Jadus, Darth Malgus, Darth Nox (SWTOR: Sith Inquisitor: Act 3).

Might update this in future if while reading it I think of a character I missed.

lol imagine having The Outlander above Yoda

Re: Force User Tiers · August 21st 2019, 11:19 pm

10: Basically untouchable when on point

GM Luke
DE Sids

9:GOATS

KF, IH & MF Anakin
Yoda
Krayt
RotS, RotJ and TPM Sids
Plagueis
RotS Mace

8: F!cking with them is generally a bad idea

RotS Obi-Wan
Dooku
Maul
Kyp
DE Luke (No Leia amp)
LS RotS Anakin
Vader

7: Special but not special

Ventress
B-Team and co.
Galen & SK
Cade

6: You exist and sometimes can do things

Corran
Kyle
Mara
Aalya
Aurra
Kam
Caedus
Luminara
Shaak Ti
Bane
Zannah

I'm blanking on more right now. Not too good at lists.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 22nd 2019, 4:59 am

Creating tier lists kind of emphasizes how difficult it is to fit the power scaling chains of SWTOR and the Banite line into the mythos.

Not ordered within tiers unless if there's a line gap -

Tier 10:
FotJ Abeloth

Super Saiyan Luke

Tier 9:

Luke
Sidious

Yoda
Anakin
Valkorion
Plagueis
Mace Windu
Krayt
Vitiate

Revan

Tier 8:

Outlander
Vaylin
Dooku
SF Malak

Arcann
Maul
Obi Wan
Exar Kun

Darth Bane

Tier 7:

Hero of Tython

Re: Force User Tiers · August 22nd 2019, 5:08 am

Greysentinel365 wrote:10: Basically untouchable when on point

GM Luke
DE Sids

9:GOATS

KF, IH & MF Anakin
Yoda
Krayt
RotS, RotJ and TPM Sids
Plagueis
RotS Mace

8: F!cking with them is generally a bad idea

RotS Obi-Wan
Dooku
Maul
Kyp
DE Luke (No Leia amp)
LS RotS Anakin
Vader

7: Special but not special

Ventress
B-Team and co.
Galen & SK
Cade

6: You exist and sometimes can do things

Corran
Kyle
Mara
Aalya
Aurra
Kam
Caedus
Luminara
Shaak Ti
Bane
Zannah

I'm blanking on more right now. Not too good at lists.

That's actually a nice list grey, although I disagree with few things.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 22nd 2019, 5:09 am

HellfireUnit wrote:

Greysentinel365 wrote:10: Basically untouchable when on point

GM Luke
DE Sids

9:GOATS

KF, IH & MF Anakin
Yoda
Krayt
RotS, RotJ and TPM Sids
Plagueis
RotS Mace

8: F!cking with them is generally a bad idea

RotS Obi-Wan
Dooku
Maul
Kyp
DE Luke (No Leia amp)
LS RotS Anakin
Vader

7: Special but not special

Ventress
B-Team and co.
Galen & SK
Cade

6: You exist and sometimes can do things

Corran
Kyle
Mara
Aalya
Aurra
Kam
Caedus
Luminara
Shaak Ti
Bane
Zannah

I'm blanking on more right now. Not too good at lists.

That's actually a nice list grey, although I disagree with few things.

Go ahead

Re: Force User Tiers · August 22nd 2019, 5:59 am

This is an all-primes list.

Tier 10:
The Ones
Celestials
Bedlam Spirits

Tier 9:
Tenebrae
Sheev Palpatine
Luke Skywalker
Darth Vader

Tier 8:
Yoda
Vaylin
Revan
Exar Kun
Kyp Durron
The Outlander
Darth Nihilus

Tier 7:
Darth Malak
Count Dooku
Mace Windu
Darth Traya
Meetra Surik
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Darth Plagueis
Darth Maul
Emperor Krayt
Darth Malgus
Darth Tenebrous
Darth Caedus
Darth Nyriss
Barsen'thor
Darth Nox
Empire's Wrath
Hero of Tython
Ood Bnar
Thon
Odan-urr
Ulic Qel-Droma
Vodo-Siosk Baas

Tier 6:
Darth Thanaton
Asajj Ventress
Darth Bane
Darth Zannah
Darth Cognus
Darth Sion
Tott Doneeta
Qui-Gon Jinn
Bastila Shan

Rough estimates. If you're in the same tier, you at least give anyone else in it a decent fight.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 22nd 2019, 10:32 am

Tier 10: DE Sidious, Luke, Valkorion

Tier 9: Revan, Yoda, The Outlander, Vaylin, Krayt, KF Vader, Nihilus, Plagueis, Kyp

Tier 8: Dooku, Caedus, Tenebrous, Mace, Obi Wan, Maul, Suit Vader, Arcann, Malgus, Marr, SoR TOR protagonists, Bane, Zannah, Exar Kun, Malak, Cade, Wyyrlok

Tier 7: Meetra, Traya, Scourge, Mara, Jaina, Ventress, Ulic, Seba, Thanaton, Nyriss, Talon, Nihil

I didn't bother to order the tiers or further divide them in tiers inside tiers.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 22nd 2019, 12:17 pm

@Blade_of_Dorin

lol imagine having The Outlander above Yoda

Lol, tell me when you have a reason why he shouldn't be.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 22nd 2019, 12:42 pm

NotAA3 wrote:@Blade_of_Dorin

lol imagine having The Outlander above Yoda

Lol, tell me when you have a reason why he shouldn't be.

If you make a claim first, then it's your job to justify that claim, not your opponent's to prove why it's wrong.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 22nd 2019, 1:20 pm

@Azronger

If you make a claim first, then it's your job to justify that claim, not your opponent's to prove why it's wrong.

Except I have no reason or desire to justify that claim. Your comment would be true if Blade and I were debating but we're not. Why should I bother proving that The Outlander is above Yoda to someone who clearly believes it to be a lol-worthy opinion and has contributed nothing to the discussion other than a mocking comment? If they wanted to challenge my claim and receive a response a simple why would have sufficed.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 22nd 2019, 1:47 pm

Greysentinel365 wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

Greysentinel365 wrote:10: Basically untouchable when on point

GM Luke
DE Sids

9:GOATS

KF, IH & MF Anakin
Yoda
Krayt
RotS, RotJ and TPM Sids
Plagueis
RotS Mace

8: F!cking with them is generally a bad idea

RotS Obi-Wan
Dooku
Maul
Kyp
DE Luke (No Leia amp)
LS RotS Anakin
Vader

7: Special but not special

Ventress
B-Team and co.
Galen & SK
Cade

6: You exist and sometimes can do things

Corran
Kyle
Mara
Aalya
Aurra
Kam
Caedus
Luminara
Shaak Ti
Bane
Zannah

I'm blanking on more right now. Not too good at lists.

That's actually a nice list grey, although I disagree with few things.

Go ahead

U have Bane and Zannah far too low. Assuming each tier list is in order, why on earth do you have them below Luminara, Shaak Ti, Secura and Sing?

Re: Force User Tiers · August 22nd 2019, 7:04 pm

SithSauce wrote:

Greysentinel365 wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

Greysentinel365 wrote:10: Basically untouchable when on point

GM Luke
DE Sids

9:GOATS

KF, IH & MF Anakin
Yoda
Krayt
RotS, RotJ and TPM Sids
Plagueis
RotS Mace

8: F!cking with them is generally a bad idea

RotS Obi-Wan
Dooku
Maul
Kyp
DE Luke (No Leia amp)
LS RotS Anakin
Vader

7: Special but not special

Ventress
B-Team and co.
Galen & SK
Cade

6: You exist and sometimes can do things

Corran
Kyle
Mara
Aalya
Aurra
Kam
Caedus
Luminara
Shaak Ti
Bane
Zannah

I'm blanking on more right now. Not too good at lists.

That's actually a nice list grey, although I disagree with few things.

Go ahead

U have Bane and Zannah far too low. Assuming each tier list is in order, why on earth do you have them below Luminara, Shaak Ti, Secura and Sing?

1. Reverse Banite scaling
2. That's where their feats place them

Re: Force User Tiers · August 23rd 2019, 12:24 am

Wait, do people actually take the Aurra Sing scaling seriously in regards to Caedus?

I assumed it was just being meme'd.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 23rd 2019, 2:24 am

Greysentinel365 wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

Greysentinel365 wrote:10: Basically untouchable when on point

GM Luke
DE Sids

9:GOATS

KF, IH & MF Anakin
Yoda
Krayt
RotS, RotJ and TPM Sids
Plagueis
RotS Mace

8: F!cking with them is generally a bad idea

RotS Obi-Wan
Dooku
Maul
Kyp
DE Luke (No Leia amp)
LS RotS Anakin
Vader

7: Special but not special

Ventress
B-Team and co.
Galen & SK
Cade

6: You exist and sometimes can do things

Corran
Kyle
Mara
Aalya
Aurra
Kam
Caedus
Luminara
Shaak Ti
Bane
Zannah

I'm blanking on more right now. Not too good at lists.

That's actually a nice list grey, although I disagree with few things.

Go ahead

KF Anakin being over Yoda, Plagueis being lower than Krayt and Anakin and TPM Sidious, Caedus' placement... Like I said, it is a good list but I just had some disagreements with it.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 23rd 2019, 4:15 am

HellfireUnit wrote:

Greysentinel365 wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

Greysentinel365 wrote:10: Basically untouchable when on point

GM Luke
DE Sids

9:GOATS

KF, IH & MF Anakin
Yoda
Krayt
RotS, RotJ and TPM Sids
Plagueis
RotS Mace

8: F!cking with them is generally a bad idea

RotS Obi-Wan
Dooku
Maul
Kyp
DE Luke (No Leia amp)
LS RotS Anakin
Vader

7: Special but not special

Ventress
B-Team and co.
Galen & SK
Cade

6: You exist and sometimes can do things

Corran
Kyle
Mara
Aalya
Aurra
Kam
Caedus
Luminara
Shaak Ti
Bane
Zannah

I'm blanking on more right now. Not too good at lists.

That's actually a nice list grey, although I disagree with few things.

Go ahead

KF Anakin being over Yoda, Plagueis being lower than Krayt and Anakin and TPM Sidious, Caedus' placement... Like I said, it is a good list but I just had some disagreements with it.

In raw power KF Vader is over Yoda.

Hego is below Krayt and therefore TPM Sids. Caedus getting slammed by the same Sing Vader curbed is just....... bad no matter how you swing it. The fact that she's no longer well known or that active says it all about whether she advanced or not.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 23rd 2019, 5:04 am

Sing's successes with Jacen were owed almost entirely to her exploiting the safety of his daughter.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 23rd 2019, 5:19 am

ILS wrote:Sing's successes with Jacen were owed almost entirely to her exploiting the safety of his daughter.

Not to mention that Jacen way before his prime

Re: Force User Tiers · August 23rd 2019, 6:12 am

Greysentinel365 wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

Greysentinel365 wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

Greysentinel365 wrote:10: Basically untouchable when on point

GM Luke
DE Sids

9:GOATS

KF, IH & MF Anakin
Yoda
Krayt
RotS, RotJ and TPM Sids
Plagueis
RotS Mace

8: F!cking with them is generally a bad idea

RotS Obi-Wan
Dooku
Maul
Kyp
DE Luke (No Leia amp)
LS RotS Anakin
Vader

7: Special but not special

Ventress
B-Team and co.
Galen & SK
Cade

6: You exist and sometimes can do things

Corran
Kyle
Mara
Aalya
Aurra
Kam
Caedus
Luminara
Shaak Ti
Bane
Zannah

I'm blanking on more right now. Not too good at lists.

That's actually a nice list grey, although I disagree with few things.

Go ahead

KF Anakin being over Yoda, Plagueis being lower than Krayt and Anakin and TPM Sidious, Caedus' placement... Like I said, it is a good list but I just had some disagreements with it.

In raw power KF Vader is over Yoda.

Hego is below Krayt and therefore TPM Sids. Caedus getting slammed by the same Sing Vader curbed is just....... bad no matter how you swing it. The fact that she's no longer well known or that active says it all about whether she advanced or not.

Eh, you are right, Anakin's raw power is superior to Son and Daughter combined. Can't argue with that.

How could Hego be below Krayt and TPM Sidious? He is superior TPM Sidious and any other Sith honestly.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 23rd 2019, 6:32 am

I guess I'll try. This is not the final version of my list. Perhaps there will be mistakes somewhere, and in the future I will supplement it. Characters located in the same tier can defeat each other in a good fight. A difference of just one tier can sometimes lead to a ragdoll or one shot.

Ranking Inside lists:

Top Tiers
High Tiers
Mid Tiers
Low Tiers

Gods:

Anakin Skywalker (Full Potential)
The Father
Abeloth
The Son
The Daughter

Rebellion/NR/NJO/Legacy:

Darth Sidious (DE)
Darth Krayt (Legacy: War)
Luke Skywalker (FotJ)
Sarasu Taalon (Post-Pool)
Darish Vol
Irek Ismaren
Koro Ziil
UnuThul
Darth Caedus
Kyp Durron
Darth Sidious (RotJ)
Darth Wyyrlok (III)
Iwaar Workan
Onimi
Cronal
Jaina Solo
Darth Vader
Joruus C'baot
Gethzerion
Saarai
Cade Skywalker
Saba Sebatyne
Kyle Katarn
Viun Gaalan
Lumiya
Darth Nihl
Darth Talon
Darth Stryfe

Rise of the Empire;

Anakin Skywalker (Knightfall Vader)
Darth Sidious (RotS)
Yoda
Mace Windu (Vaapad)
Mother Talzin
Darth Plagueis
Darth Tyranus
Obi-Wan Kenobi
A'Sharad Hett
Darh Tenebrous
Darth Maul
Darth Venamis
Yaddle
Asajj Ventress
Savage Opress
Qui-Gon Jinn
Darth Tenebrous's master
Ki-Adi-Mundi
Kit Fisto
Agen Kolar
Sasee Tiin
Shaak Ti
Plo Koon
Yarael Poof
Aayla Secura
Luminara Unduli
Darth Cognus
Darth Zannah
Darth Bane

TOTJ/KOTOR/TOR:

Valkorion
The Outlander
Vaylin
Arcann
Vitiate
Revan
Darth Malgus
Darth Baras (with the power of Entity)
Darth Malak
Darth Nox
Darth Marr
Satele Shan
Meetra Surik
Darth Traya
Exar Kun
Ulic Qel-Droma
Freedon Nadd
Naga Sadow
Bastila Shan
Darth Bandon
Ludo Kressh

So far, I'm not sure what the general list will look like.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 23rd 2019, 6:42 am

Shioz wrote:I guess I'll try. This is not the final version of my list. Perhaps there will be mistakes somewhere, and in the future I will supplement it. Characters located in the same tier can defeat each other in a good fight. A difference of just one tier can sometimes lead to a ragdoll or one shot.

Ranking Inside lists:

Top Tiers
High Tiers
Mid Tiers
Low Tiers

Gods:

Anakin Skywalker (Full Potential)
The Father
Abeloth
The Son
The Daughter

Rebellion/NR/NJO/Legacy:

Darth Sidious (DE)
Darth Krayt (Legacy: War)
Luke Skywalker (FotJ)
Sarasu Taalon (Post-Pool)
Darish Vol
Irek Ismaren
Koro Ziil
UnuThul
Darth Caedus
Kyp Durron
Darth Wyyrlok (III)
Cronal
Jaina Solo
Darth Vader
Joruus C'baot
Saarai
Cade Skywalker
Kyle Katarn
Lumiya
Darth Nihl
Darth Talon
Darth Stryfe

Rise of the Empire;

Anakin Skywalker (Knightfall Vader)
Darth Sidious
Yoda
Mace Windu (Vaapad)
Mother Talzin
Darth Plagueis
Darth Tyranus
Obi-Wan Kenobi
A'Sharad Hett
Darh Tenebrous
Darth Maul
Darth Venamis
Yaddle
Asajj Ventress
Savage Opress
Qui-Gon Jinn
Darth Tenebrous's master
Ki-Adi-Mundi
Kit Fisto
Agen Kolar
Sasee Tiin
Shaak Ti
Plo Koon
Yarael Poof
Aayla Secura
Darth Cognus
Darth Zannah
Darth Bane

TOTJ/KOTOR/TOR:

Valkorion
The Outlander
Vaylin
Arcann
Revan
Darth Malgus
Darth Baras (with the power of Entity)
Darth Malak
Darth Nox
Darth Marr
Satele Shan
Meetra Surik
Darth Traya
Exar Kun
Ulic Qel-Droma
Freedon Nadd
Naga Sadow
Bastila Shan
Darth Bandon
Ludo Kressh

So far, I'm not sure what the general list will look like.

Appears to be a nice list mate, will check on more detailed later. Color stuff also looks nice.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 23rd 2019, 2:41 pm

@NotAA3 hey, sorry I was gonna respond yesterday but I was very busy. I’ll try to get to you soon

Re: Force User Tiers · August 23rd 2019, 3:24 pm

@Shioz: What's your rationale for Arcann > prime Revan or Vitiate?

Re: Force User Tiers · August 23rd 2019, 7:17 pm

Blade_of_Dorin wrote:@NotAA3 hey, sorry I was gonna respond yesterday but I was very busy. I’ll try to get to you soon

That's okay. I'm busy myself so I probably won't get back to you quickly either.

Re: Force User Tiers · August 23rd 2019, 9:58 pm

Tier 11:
Full Potential Anakin
The Father
Abeloth
The Son
The Daughter

Tier 10:
GM Luke
DE Sidious
Sarasu Taalon (post pool)
Valkorion

Tier 9:
Revan/KOTET Outlander
Darish Vol (Maybe?)
Yoda
KF Vader
Vaylin
Plagueis/Caedus
Kyp Durron
Lord Nyax
Unuthul

Tier 8:
Yarael Poof
Arcann
Malgus (FE)
Nox
HoT (Non outlander)
Wrath II
Barsen'thor
Marr
Satele Shan
Meetra Surik
Traya
Nihilus
Dooku
Scourge
Exar Kun
Tenebrous
Windu
Obi Wan

Tier 7:
I'm too lazy to make the rest of this list now.. maybe later.

Note: The characters in each tier are in no particular order.

Re: Force User Tiers