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The Ultimate Odan Urr Respect Thread Empty The Ultimate Odan Urr Respect Thread

February 1st 2023, 4:54 am
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You are reading the biggest collection of feats for Odan Urr ever created. This project took me multiple weeks after a long time of accumulation of his feats and scans. Urr is one of my favorite characters and TOTJ is one of my favorite eras. Enjoy and respect the might of the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order, Bane of the Sith, Odan Urr! (credit to Chaos theory for creating the original Odan Urr respect thread but this one will have far more scans and quotes for Odan Urr)
For formatting, quotes that are considered relatively impressive will be marked with a “★”. The respect thread will be divided into several sections:

-General Hype and accolades
-Stats
-Combative Abilities
-Telepathy (Alter)
-Sever Force (Alter)
-Battle Meditation (Alter)
-Telekinesis (Alter)
-Force sense/precognition (sense)
-Other force abilities
-Overall force knowledge
-Scaling and feats
Part 1 will be the general stuff and the feats and hype Urr has
While Part 2 will be his scaling and AP wank that can be used for referenced in debates.

General Hype and Accolades:

(★) Odan Urr and Vodo Siosk Baas are considered the Yoda and Mace of their era which is “related to their strength in the force”, indicating they are the top 2 of the TOTJ era:

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"A Jedi Master is afforded a great deal of respect within the Order... Some Jedi Masters have more authority than others due to their individual reputation. Master Yoda and Master Mace Windu are two examples in the Rise of the Empire era, as are Master Odan-Urr and Master Vodo-Siosk Baas in the Old Republic era... Much of the respect Jedi Masters garner within their respective Orders relates to their strength in the Force..."
Souce: Power of the Jedi

(★) Although not officially recognized, it was highly implied from the above quote and multiple other instances in which Odan Urr was the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order, a position historically reserved for the strongest of the era:
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Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook
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Source: Tales of the Jedi
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Source: The Jedi path

As a Jedi Master, Odan Urr is one of the most powerful Jedi in the order and one of the “great Jedi of the era”:
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[Odan Urr is one of the] great Jedi Masters of the era
Taken from TOTJ

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"... Odan-Urr became a powerful Jedi and eventually a Master..."
Taken from TOTJ

A Jedi master on the high council are some of the most powerful Jedi of the time:

The members of the Council are all distinguished Jedi who have proven their resolve, wisdom, and mastery of the Force throughout their years of devotion to the Order.
Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook
The Jedi Council serves as the highest authority within the Order. Its members are chosen from among the most respected Jedi.
Source: Star Wars: The Visual Encyclopedia
The Jedi Council consisted of 12 wise and powerful Jedi Masters who convened within the towering Jedi Temple on Coruscant.
Source: Star Wars Databank
Jedi Masters have reached the top of their craft within the Jedi Order. A deep understanding of The Force is a must, for a Jedi Master is able to unlock powerful secrets that few Jedi even dream of comprehending. It is not a journey made quickly, and few Jedi survive long enough to complete it.
Source: Threats of the Galaxy
Jedi Masters are sent on important and dangerous missions by the Jedi Council. Whether or not a Jedi Master is encountered in the company of his Padawan Learner, he is an opponent who cannot be underestimated. Few mundane opponents can stand against the skill and ability of a Jedi Master.
Source: Threats of the Galaxy

Odan Urr as a Jedi Knight was also assigned as a Jedi Watchman of the Koro system:
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Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

A Jedi Watchman is skilled in combat:
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[Jedi Watchman are] selected by the Jedi Council and are frequently either Jedi Masters of Jedi Knights, accomplished in both diplomacy and “aggressive negotiations”
Source: Knights of the Old Republic Campaign guide

Odan Urr was a notable Jedi Consular, and as a HIGH LEVEL Jedi Consular he automatically gets access to many accolades and hype, including being a Jedi Master, having a “deep connection to the force” etc.:
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Source: SWTOR Encyclopedia
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Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook
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Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

Urr was frequently praised for his understanding of the force and the Jedi Code, as well as his knowledge that was taught for thousands of years after his death:
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Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

His philosophy was cited by Atris to gain prominence in the Jedi order:
“Atris even endorses adoption of a more austere interpretation of the Jedi Code favored by the famed master Odan Urr, in memory of his recent death”
Source: KOTOR Campaign Guide

Odan Urr’s statue was lined on the Processional way, a line of statues of the most famous and prominent Jedi Masters:
“Statues of long-dead Jedi Masters lined the approach to the Temple’s enormous doorway. The setting sun stretched the statue’s tenebrous forms across the duracrete. He walked through the shadows and past them, noting some names: Odan-Urr, Ooroo, Arca Jeth.”



“He flipped in midair and landed atop the cracked face of the Odan-Urr statue that had once lined the processional approach into the Temple.”
Taken from SWTOR Deceived

Odan Urr was called a renowned scholar and his statue gave 11ABY Tionne great pride:

“Bending down to the scorched rubble, Tionne moved aside a fallen cluster of flagstones and found in the shadows beneath a small statue of what must have once been a Jedi Master. The figure was a short, unimposing alien with a sloping, rounded head and exposed teeth. She wondered if it could have been the renowned scholar Jedi Master Odan-Urr, who had fought even earlier, in the Great Hyperspace War against the original Sith Empire, and had then lived for a thousand years as the keeper of the library on Ossus.

Smiling, feeling her heart swell with pride, Tionne cradled the small statue, saw its carbonized and glassy surface layers where the heat of an exploding star had crisped it. She took the figure, astonished to be actually touching a piece of Jedi history,”

Excerpt From: Kevin J. Anderson. “11ABY: Firestorm

Odan Urr was one of the most learned and knowledgeable Jedi ever:
“She [Yaddle] devoted herself to study and soon became one of the most learned Jedi since the great Odan Urr”
Source The Official Star Wars Fact File 105

Stats:

Just to show some of the stats for Odan Urr to use as a reference for potential representation of Urr in battle cages or SS (doubtfully but perhaps).

Saga Stats:
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Source: Jedi Academy Training Manuel

D20 Stats:
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Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

Combat Abilities

Introducing the lightsaber abilities, and the overall combative potency of Master Odan Urr.
As a member of the Draethos species, Urr is hardwired for combat despite as an off-planeter he prefers studying rather than fighting:
“When on their homework, Draethos are fierce and unrepentant warriors … spend their time perfecting their skills and hunting fierce predators…
Their tightly muscled humanoid bodies are covered with scaly skin … Their hands are clawlike.
Source: KOTOR Campaign Guide”

Draethos also have natural armor from their body:
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Source: Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

Urr, long before his prime, defeats an assassin with ease:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi

Odan Urr is shown in both sourcebooks to have proficiency in dueling and other weaponry:
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Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook
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Source: Jedi Academy Training Manual

(★) Per Saga Stats, Urr has a dueling proficiency of +17:
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Source: Jedi Academy Training Manual:

Not necessarily as a clear cut proof that Urr can replicate, but for reference Darth Wyyrlok III has a dueling proficiency of +16:
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Source: Legacy Era Campaign Guide

NOTE: This refers to overall lightsaber dueling capabilities rather than pure technical skill. Stats are also obviously S-canon and note absolute but I do believe it is something worth pointing out.
(★) Darth Wyyrlok of course is capable of not getting completely stomped by Darth Krayt in a duel consisting of 4 panels:
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Source: Legacy

Per stats, Urr is above Wyyrlok who is capable of contending with and not get utterly stomped by Krayt in a fight, which does speak volume of Urr’s lightsaber capabilities as Krayt is obviously extremely skilled.

Another reference is that if you compare Urr’s melee to other characters inside the JA Training Manual, he will be superior to some superb threats:
Kueller:
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Brakiss:
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Lord Nyax
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(all 3 sources are from the Jedi Academy Training Manual, the same sourcebook as Urr's saga stats)

Again stats are not absolute but all 3 are from the same sourcebook as Urr which means Urr having such a high Lightsaber count in a sourcebook with such averages is insane. All 3 of those are duelist that have at some point contended with top tiers (i.e. Luke vs Kueller in NR). The intent behind Urr’s dueling ability is still impressive.

There’s many other characters Urr can scale to in stats combatively, but I think it’s clear that even in an area he’s not as adept at, he is still quite skilled from a stat stand point and no slack in terms of feats either.

Telepathy (Alter)

(★) As a Draethos, Master Odan Urr is unnaturally adept at telepathy capabilities.
Draethos in general are capable of communicating with any species within a range of 500 meters:
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Source: Power of the Jedi

The power is extremely hard to resist:
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Source: Power of the Jedi

More stuff on Draethos telepathy
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Source: KOTOR Campaign Guide

(★) Odan Urr as a Jedi Master with impressive force abilities obviously blows this out of the water. In fact, he can telepathically communicate with the entire Jedi Order:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi
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"Odan-Urr's affinity for telepathy allowed him to moderate the gathering by telepathically touching all the Jedi in attendance."
Taken from TCSWE

This is a top tier feat comparable to some of the best telepath ever:
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Note that while at best Tiin communicates with the Jedi council and one individual, Urr touches the mind of the entire Jedi order.

Telepath also gains an unique edge in combat:
“In combat, telepaths do have a distinct edge. Even if one fights by instinct and reflex, most cannot stop themselves from emitting monosyllabic thoughts that project their next movement. During my training bouts at the Jedi Temple, my opponents unwittingly revealed their every move, allowing me that crucial fraction of a moment that enabled me to be the one who would remain standing."
Source: Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

Urr is potent in other aspects of telepathy:
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Source: Jedi academy Training Manual
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Source: Power of the Jedi

Sever force (Alter)

Odan Urr was extremely powerful in the art of Sever force, and uses it to destroy many enemies.
He was able to use the technique of sever force:
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Source: Jedi academy Training Manual

He attempted to, but ultimately failed to sever the force of Kun:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi
NOTE: It was specifically stated that Urr was old and post-prime at this point, if he was at his prime he’d do far better in this feat.

(★) Urr was able to perform Sever force on many members of the Sith during the Great Hyperspace War:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi

This is despite the fact that the Sith are in their golden age:
“In the Golden Age of the Sith, dark side spirits such as the ghost of Sith Lord Marka Ragnos regularly advised and threatened their successors.
Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook
“Someday he would usher in a new Sith golden age, just as Dark Lord Marka Ragnos had foretold.
Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook

This is the end result of 1000 years of breeding between Exiles and the Sith to create the most powerful species:
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Prime Urr would be successfully using Sever force on these ultra powerful Sith Lords who are far more powerful than the average Sith back in the Exiles time. These Sith has a lot of success on their belt (chasing back the Infinite Empire under Soa etc.)

(★) Odan Urr taught the Jedi Order the technique needed to imprison Ulic Qel Droma in the force:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi:
Ulic is obviously an ultra powerful sith lord who is above the likes of Freedon Nadd etc.

Nomi confirmed again that she learned this power from Urr:
“The Jedi Nomi Sunrider, who served with Ulic Qel-Droma before his defection to the Krath and the Sith, demonstrated a most unusual Force ability when she stripped Ulic Qel-Droma of his powers, leaving him blind to the Force. According to Sunrider, she learned of this power from Jedi Master Odan-Urr.”

Excerpt From: Ryder Windham. “Jedi vs. Sith.” Apple Books.

Confirmed once again by Nomi, and Urr recorded his own knowledge in the Tedryn holocron:
leaving him essentially blind to the Force. Nomi Sunrider learned of this power from the Jedi Master Odan-Urr, who speaks of it via the Tedryn Holocron:
When you feel the dark side energies turned against you, you must use your Jedi abilities to take power away from an opponent, rather than to inflict harm. This technique blinds your enemy to the Force with a wall of light, a permanent blockage if you so choose, rendering him unable to use Jedi powers. It is difficult. And it is the most devastating attack possible using the powers of the light side. To block a Jedi from the Force—even a Dark Jedi—is a terrible thing.”

Excerpt From: Ryder Windham. “Jedi vs. Sith.” Apple Books.

Battle Meditation(Alter)

Urr is also superb in the art of battle meditation.
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Source: Jedi Academy Training Manual

(★) Urr was capable of using this power to alter the course of a battle during the Great Hyperspace War:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi
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"Odan-Urr, assisted by Empress Teta's Jedi adviser Memit Nadill, used the Jedi battle meditation technique to defeat the Kirrek rebels and reach an accord with the pirate leaders."
―Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

He attempted to use battle meditation on his enemies during the Great Hyperspace War but barely failing due to their anger:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi

Battle Meditation is a notoriously hard technique to master:
"Shan was gifted in art of Jedi Battle Meditation, a rare ability usually only accessible to the most skilled and wizened Jedi Masters.
— Bastila Shan databanks

to be continued...


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February 1st 2023, 4:55 am
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Telekinesis (Alter)

While not the best ability of Urr, he has been able to master the ability of Telekinesis.
He was capable of using force slam:
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Source: JA Training Manual
(★) He was capable of creating and editing holocrons:
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Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

Which is an ability that requires subatomic manipulation:
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"... Bane had spent hundreds of hours making thousands of precise, subatomic alterations through the power of the Force..."
―Darth Bane: Rule of Two

Urr moves a holocron with the force:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi

(★★) He was able to throw Exar Kun away with the force:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi

Dealing any form of damage to Kun is extremely hard. Masters like Vodo Siosk Baas is “no match” to Kun:
Power of the Jedi Sourcebook wrote:
Ulic’s trial was interrupted by Exar Kun, who met his former Master face to face for the first time since his long descent into darkness. The two fought, and Vodo-Siosk Baas was no match for Exar Kun’s double-bladed lightsaber and deep reserve of dark side power. Vodo-Siosk perished, slain by his former apprentice.

Luke Skywalker, despite “absorbing all of Sidious’ knowledge”, is powerless against Kun:

Jedi Academy Vol.2: Dark Apprentice wrote:
Kyp made a dismissive gesture with one hand, and a sudden wave of dark ripples splashed across the air like the shock front of a concussion grenade. Luke stumbled backward. The lightsaber turned cold in his hand. Frost crystals grew in feathery patterns around the handle. At the core of the brilliant green blade a shadow appeared, a black disease rotting away the purity of the beam. The humming blade sputtered, sounding like a sickly cough. The black taint rapidly grew stronger, swallowing up the green beam. With a frizzle of sparks Luke’s lightsaber died.
Trying to control his growing fear, Luke felt a sudden brush of cold behind him. He turned to see a black, hooded silhouette—the image that had impersonated Anakin Skywalker in Luke’s nightmare…the dark man who had lured Gantoris into a devastating loss of control.
Kyp’s voice came as if from a great distance. “At last, Master Skywalker, you can meet my mentor—Exar Kun.”
Luke dropped his useless lightsaber and crouched. His every muscle suddenly coiled and tensed. He rallied all the powers of the Force around him, seeking any defensive tactic. With the Sun Crusher looming behind him, Kyp stretched out both hands and blasted Luke with lightning bolts like black cracks in the Force. Dark tendrils rose up from the gaps in the temple flagstones, fanged, illusionary vipers that struck at him from all sides. Luke cried out and tried to strike back, but the shadows of Exar Kun joined the attack, adding more deadly force. The ancient Dark Lord of the Sith lashed out with waves of blackness, driving long icicles of frozen poison into Luke’s body.
He thrashed, but felt helpless. To lose control to anger and desperation would be as great a failure as if he did nothing at all. Luke called upon the powers that Yoda and Obi-Wan had taught him—but everything he did, every skillful technique, failed utterly.

It took the entire Jedi Order to defeat Kun:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi

It’s clear that Kun is a super power who is completely dominant over the likes of Baas, JA Luke, and requires the entire order to defeat him. In fact, through-out the TOTJ series, Kun barely experiences ANY harm or defeat except for Urr. Ever since he became a dark lord, the only noticeable damage delt to him was:
-Ulic, another extremely powerful Sith lord
-Ood Bnar while mega amped by Ossus, who is above the likes of Sedriss
-Urr, who wile is also amped by Ossus, doesn’t have nearly the level of connection Bnar has with Ossus.
It’s clear that ANY telekinetic attack landed on Kun, a supremely powerful Sith, is extraordinary difficult, relying on massive sums of power.

Force sense/precognition

Urr has access to many abilities related to force sense and precognition
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Source: Jedi Academy training manual

(★) Using his power of precognition, Urr was able to predict the events of Great Hyper Space war, insight that was crucial for the republic’s victory:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi

“Jedi Odan-Urr has a vision of the death of Marka Ragnos, the Dark Lord of the Sith, whose passing instigates a schism between rival Sith Lords Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh.”

Excerpt From: Ryder Windham. “Jedi vs. Sith.”


Urr is especially mindful in the force, which is constantly associated with sense and precognition:

“However, numerous Jedi texts recall Odan-Urr as a Jedi who was especially mindful of the Force;”

Excerpt From: Ryder Windham. “Jedi vs. Sith.”

Other abilities

Just a list of abilities Urr can use other than the ones listed above:
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Source: POTJ
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Source: JATM
NOTE: Urr's immersion with the library of Ossus, a powerful and extremely knowledgeable place with information about many other abilities, likely grants him even more powers than the ones listed
... To be continued


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The Ultimate Odan Urr Respect Thread Empty Knowledge of Urr

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Overall force knowledge

:
Master Urr’s knowledge has repeatedly been stated as legendary:
“She [Yaddle] devoted herself to study and soon became one of the most learned Jedi since the great Odan Urr”
Source The Official Star Wars Fact File 105”
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Odan-Urr, Jedi Master and founder of the Great Jedi Library of Ossus, was one of the order's most famous and long-lived members. Although he participated in some of the most decisive battles of his time, Odan-Urr preferred the life of an academic, overseeing the library's Chamber of Antiquities for centuries until he was slain by Exar Kun shortly before the cataclysm inflicted by the Cron Supernova.

Of his many accomplishments, perhaps the most influential of Odan-Urr's works was his revised version of the Jedi Code, which he created in response to the struggles of his pupils to fully understand and embrace what it meant to be a Jedi. Odan-Urr's revised wording of the code became the definitive version, taught and recited by Jedi ever since.
Source: SWTOR Codex Entries

He spent centuries studying and meditating ancient lore:
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Source: Power of the Jedi:
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Source: Jedi Academy Training Manual

Note: While there’s many more quotes for both of these sections, this should suffice as the purpose is mostly done.

Odan Urr is the founder of the Great Library of Ossus, and is the keeper of all antiquities inside:
“ Jedi Master Odan-Urr, gatekeeper of the Tedryn Holocron and founder of the original Jedi library on Ossus.”

Excerpt From: Ryder Windham. “Jedi vs. Sith.”

“After recovering the Sith Holocron, Odan-Urr kept the device at the original Jedi library that he founded on Ossus.”

Excerpt From: Ryder Windham. “Jedi vs. Sith.”

Ossus is one of the largest collection of knowledge in the universe:
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Source: Power of the Jedi
In fact, there’s so much knowledge on Ossus that was lost after the supernova that Luke believes that NJO can’t even hope to restore the lost knowledge and techniques of the library and the praxeum:
“These tapes—like the Tedryn Holocron and the texts recovered from the Jedi library at Ossus—contained little information about the hierarchy of the Jedi Order during the Golden Age, but there was invaluable data regarding Jedi training, meditation, and lightsaber forms. Although Luke knew the Jedi Order could not be restored to its former glory, he believed that it could be reinvented.”

Excerpt From: Ryder Windham. “Jedi vs. Sith.”

(★) The Chamber of Antiquities, which contains knowledge Urr studied extensively, contains more knowledge than Kun will ever need:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi
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Source: powers of the jedi

Odan Urr has access to many crucial holocrons aside from all of the knowledge in the entire Ossus holocron and the antiquities only he has access to. Namely, the dark holocron:

“The Jedi Order’s earliest known awareness of Sith Holocrons dates back to the end of the Great Hyperspace War, when one was recovered from an abandoned Sith ship by the Jedi Odan-Urr.”

Excerpt From: Ryder Windham. “Jedi vs. Sith.”

The Dark Holocron contains many forgotten Lore of the Sith dating back hundreds of thousands of years

“Odan-Urr kept this Sith Holocron for nearly a millennium before it was stolen by the Jedi Exar Kun, who used it to learn many secrets of the Sith”

...

“Locked within the recesses of this Sith Holocron—the only Sith Holocron, as far as anybody knows—are the forgotten histories and lore of the Sith, dating back a hundred thousand years and more.”


“because of the dangerous knowledge it contains—remains off limits to all but a few Jedi Masters.”


“After recovering the Sith Holocron, Odan-Urr kept the device at the original Jedi library that he founded on Ossus. It is puzzling that the Sith Holocron could have contained data about Naga Sadow’s escape from Empress Teta: this implies that the Holocron’s contents were updated by supernatural forces. Although it is not known how extensively Odan-Urr studied the Holocron, it was in his possession for more than a millennium, and records indicate that both he and Jedi Master Vodo-Siosk Baas studied it without any adverse effect. Still, it is possible that some Holocrons may be more than ”

Excerpt From: Ryder Windham. “Jedi vs. Sith.”

(★★) The holocron is the most powerful ever and lead to a massive power boost for Kun:
The Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology wrote:
The most powerful Sith Holocron contained Sith teachings and histories that covered some hundred thousand years.

Jedi VS. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force wrote:
Exar Kun might not have risen to power so quickly had Odan-Urr destroyed the Sith Holocron when he’d had the chance.
Jedi VS. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force wrote:
The construction and use of the first double-bladed lightsaber is sometimes credited to Jedi-turned-Sith Exar Kun, but according to the Tedryn Holocron, Exar Kun assembled his weapon by following instructions from a Sith Holocron, possibly prepared by the Jedi Exiles themselves.

It was stated that Urr probably studied over the holocron extensively
Although it is not known how extensively Odan-Urr studied the Holocron, it was in his possession for more than a millennium, and records indicate that both he and Jedi Master Vodo-Siosk Baas studied it without any adverse effect.

He also was the gatekeeper of the Tedryn holocron:
“ Jedi Master Odan-Urr, gatekeeper of the Tedryn Holocron and founder of the original Jedi library on Ossus.”

Excerpt From: Ryder Windham. “Jedi vs. Sith.”

Gatekeepers keep their knowledge within a holocron:
…“simulate conversation with long-dead Jedi “gatekeepers,” whose teachings infuse particular Holocrons.”

Excerpt From: Ryder Windham. “Jedi vs. Sith.”
All the above sources are from "Jedi vs Sith, Essential guide to the force. Any other sources SHOULD be noted (tell me if it isn't)

NOTE: There’s likely many more holocrons and forgotten lore Urr has access to that I missed, and many other quotes for his powerful knowledge.

(★★) Urr studied all of the knowledge mentioned above extensively with utmost focus for CENTURIES
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Source: POTJ

So Urr’s knowledge is so great that he:
-Has access to everything in the Library of Ossus, one of the locations with the greatest amounts of knowlever ever, greater than the knowledge of the NJO
-The chamber of antiquities, which can be accessed only by Jedi masters, and has more knowledge than Kun will ever need
-The Tedryn Holocron and many others, and was one of it’s gatekeepers
-The Sith holocron, the most powerful holocron of all time that induced massive growth in Kun
-Likely more Jedi lore as he is the Jedi Librarian with access to many of the other lore such as Jedi Archives etc.
-Studied over all the lores mentioned above in meditations spanning centuries and extensive studies of the lore
This makes Urr, without a shadow of a doubt, one of, if not THE, most knowledgeable Jedi EVER.

Yaddle, a character who has ~< knowledge compared to Urr per Factfile 105, is able to use her knowledge to get more powerful with the force, indicating force knowledge is directly tied with for powers:
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Credit to GOG

Unfortunately, Urr’s knowledge was lost so future Jedi doesn’t have access to his power.
Kun’s knowledge, that he got from the Sith holocron, was all lost:

Jedi Academy Sourcebook wrote:
"The dark knowledge of the Sith teachings died with Kun, it is extremely unlikely that any records survive, either on Yavin IV or elsewhere."

And the Ossus academy was destroyed in the cron supernova.

It's clear, in terms of knowledge, Odan Urr is a monolith, possibly having some of the greatest knowledge ever, and said knowledge is DIRECTLY APPLICABLE IN COMBAT





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Scaling and feats

And now for the fun stuff. This section will be exploring the scaling of Urr, and using the accolades and stats that he has to scale above incredible feats and characters. This should be used as a guide for potential Odan Urr debates in the future.

Thon Ambria scaling:
Odan Urr > Thon:

Several factors here:
1. Odan Urr and Baas were stated to be the Yoda and Mace of the era while Thon isn’t present on the list. NOTE that this accolade should be referring to force power as “strength in the force” is attributed as a common reason for their reputation and standing within the order:
"A Jedi Master is afforded a great deal of respect within the Order... Some Jedi Masters have more authority than others due to their individual reputation. Master Yoda and Master Mace Windu are two examples in the Rise of the Empire era, as are Master Odan-Urr and Master Vodo-Siosk Baas in the Old Republic era... Much of the respect Jedi Masters garner within their respective Orders relates to their strength in the Force..."
Souce: Power of the Jedi
2. Odan Urr “presided” and “lead” the Jedi Council, indicating his superior standing even within the order, while Thon is merely a member of the council:
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Source: Power of the Jedi
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Source: Jedi Academy Training Manual
3. Per saga stats, Urr has a CL of 16, and a force points of 8, while Thon having a 15 CL and a force of 15:
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Jedi Academy Training Manual
Based on the 3 evidence above, it’s quite clear that Urr > (>) Thon

Ambria feat quantify:

Thon was capable of using force light/”the blocking technique”, a technique Urr excels at, to contain the power of the Ambria nexus:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi

Ambria is explicitly stated to be the largest release of DS energy EVER as far as the Jedi recorded:
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Source: TOTJ Companion
Would be cool if we look at some of the DS release of power previously recorded would it?

KU'AR DANAR

Ku'ar Danar is one of the coolest characters in Star Wars. Let's look at his feat:
In a French Magazine, an Ancient Sith Lord named Ku’ar Danar was capaple of doing a ritual with the release of DS that was capable of moving a planet:
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Source: Le facteur X"—Casus Belli 115
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Source: Google translation

Naga Sadow supernova

Another feat that the Jedi recorded is Naga Sadow releasing a wave of DS power capable of causing a supernova:
Recognizing his imminent defeat, the Sith Lord abandoned his forces and started a chain of events to destroy the nearby star and everything in its vicinity.
Source: Timeline 12: The Great Hyperspace War
To annihilate his pursuers and cover his escape, Naga Sadow set in motion a chain of events that imploded the star of Primus Goluud. His apprentice died in the destruction as Naga Sadow fled back to Korriban.
Source: The Old Republic Encyclopedia
Ancient Sith were also masters of these arts - Lord Naga Sadow was able to affect the stars themselves, and caused the red supergiant Primus Goluud to go nova.
Source: The Old Republic Encyclopedia
Gav Daragon, who had been fooled into becoming Naga Sadow’s servant, led the assault on his homeworld, Koros Major. When one of his friends was killed, Gav realized Sadow had been manipulating him, and defected to the Republic. Alongside Empress Teta’s forces, he joined the battle at Primus Goluud. Trapped, Sadow used a superweapon to explode the red giant. Sadow’s forces escaped into hyperspace before the shockwave hit; Gav Daragon was killed, but not before he had transmitted Korriban’s coordinates to Empress Teta and the Republic fleet.
Source: The Old Republic: Codex Entry: Galactic History 28: The Battle of Primus Goluud
He also destroyed another Star System of Denarii Nova.
Naga Sadow’s feat was also recorded by the Jedi:
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Source: Tales of the Jedi

Which means:
Odan Urr > (>) Thon ~> The DS release of Ambria > The DS release needed to cause stars to go supernova / destroying star systems / moving planets


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