- PraxisModerator | Champion of the Light
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 18th 2019, 3:39 pm
Gideon/Tempest wrote:Praxis wrote:Also if he altered the sun in anyway then it would've taken the light from the sun some time to reach our POV instead of instantly changing like in the gif.
Nah, that's what makes the feat so impressive. Valk did it in such a way that it circumvented the limitations of physical distance and occurred instantaneously, in synchronicity with Ziost.
Careful now this argument might be used unironically
- Gideon/Tempest
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 18th 2019, 3:41 pm
Praxis wrote:Gideon/Tempest wrote:Praxis wrote:Also if he altered the sun in anyway then it would've taken the light from the sun some time to reach our POV instead of instantly changing like in the gif.
Nah, that's what makes the feat so impressive. Valk did it in such a way that it circumvented the limitations of physical distance and occurred instantaneously, in synchronicity with Ziost.
Careful now this argument might be used unironically
A clarifying tweet is being drafted even as we speak.
- GuestGuest
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 18th 2019, 3:51 pm
Lmao.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 18th 2019, 8:04 pm
How can it be just a filter over the cinematic when I provided in-game screenshots of the sun both pre and post cataclysm, along with a video set long after the event? Are you all that insanely brain dead?
- DarthAnt66Moderator
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 18th 2019, 8:10 pm
ILS wrote:When you bypass the primary material and directly badger the author and even they tell you that your argument is wrong, it's probably a good time to give it up.Gideon/Tempest wrote:KingofBlades wrote:@azronger Eh if we take the change in the Sun's coloration as an actual physical change then I don't see what's wrong with the above interpretation. However I could easily see how one would argue that the change was merely artistic and the writers payed no mind to the implications of what they depicted.
For whatever it's worth, some moron went to Twitter and waterboarded SWTOR writer Hall Hood with this very notion a few years back, only for Hood to respond with "it's probably just a stylized filter on the cinematic."
But I guess some creatures are more persistent than others.
@ILS: Referring to other members as "creatures" is against the rules. Please refrain from this behavior in the future.
And, on a more general note to many members on this thread, targeted harassment and mockery is not allowed.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 18th 2019, 8:14 pm
Until someone can answer why this utter non-starter filter argument is even plausible, I'm taking this as a direct concession from Gideon, ILS and all others involved.LadyKulvax wrote:How can it be just a filter over the cinematic when I provided in-game screenshots of the sun both pre and post cataclysm, along with a video set long after the event? Are you all that insanely brain dead?
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 18th 2019, 8:24 pm
As we can see from the original post, it is literally not limited to a cinematic and thus cannot merely be a filter. Hall Hood admitted he didn't know. Concessions accepted en masse.LadyKulvax wrote:Way back when, I noticed that in this cinematic, the sun of Ziost changes:
Just for emphasis, this is before Tenebrae's death wave:
This is after:
Here is a video depicting that upon return to Ziost, the sun is the same color it'd been after the cataclysm:
This is a chart depicting just how much power output the sun lost:
Probably makes Ziost the best feat in the mythos. Thoughts?
Anyone got a better argument?
- NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 20th 2019, 3:10 pm
A direct feats comparison between these two is difficult but I'd wager Valk is around TFU Sids.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 20th 2019, 9:34 pm
Based on what? The Ziost feat is well beyond anything Sheev does until DE.
- HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 21st 2019, 3:14 am
Rofl.
- The EllimistLevel Five
Super Valkorion vs. DE Sidious
August 22nd 2019, 6:29 am
Valkorion gets:
And enough time to acclimate to his new gear.
Can he defeat DE Sidious?
- Orbalisk armor
- Malachor amp
- Exar Kun's amulet
- Ragnos's sceptor
- Battle meditation from Kaan
- 1 hour sorcery/ritual prep
And enough time to acclimate to his new gear.
Can he defeat DE Sidious?
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 22nd 2019, 6:52 am
Obviously Valkorion already wins without all of that.
Also, I'm pretty sure this thread needs merging.
Also, I'm pretty sure this thread needs merging.
- HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 22nd 2019, 6:59 am
Sidious stomps.
- xoltholLevel Five
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 22nd 2019, 9:09 am
I think that nearly anyone with such amp could defeat DE Sidious
- Master AzrongerModerator
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 22nd 2019, 10:54 am
@The Ellimist I merged your thread with the existing one. Please use the filter function to see if the topic in question has already been made to avoid creating duplicate threads in the future.
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- KingofBladesLevel Three
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 22nd 2019, 10:56 am
Valkorion destroys
- GuestGuest
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 22nd 2019, 11:42 am
With all of that Valk wins. Without it he loses.
- Deronn_Solo
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 22nd 2019, 12:46 pm
NotAA3 wrote:With all of that Valk wins. Without it he loses.
- NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 22nd 2019, 4:30 pm
Deronn_Solo wrote:NotAA3 wrote:With all of that Valk wins. Without it he loses.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
August 22nd 2019, 7:13 pm
Still not seen a single argument for why Sheev wins any contest here. Ziost is honestly better than Force Storms. His handling of the Outlander, Vaylin and Arcann at such a severe disadvantage is also better than Sheev's best combat feats.
- SeturnaLevel One
TCW Sidious vs SWTOR Vitiate
December 8th 2019, 9:29 am
Morals on.
Battle takes place on kashyyyk
Battle takes place on kashyyyk
- IGLevel Four
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
December 8th 2019, 9:47 am
Vitiate
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
December 8th 2019, 9:53 am
Vitiate, good fight.
- MPModerator | Champion of Darkness
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
December 8th 2019, 10:07 am
Sidious.
- NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion VS. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious
December 8th 2019, 10:09 am
Meatpants wrote:Sidious.
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