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Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 17th 2019, 4:11 pm
Lately, Vader seems to be getting a lot of disrespect on the board. This thread will hopefully prove that this really should not be the case.
Note: Due to the sheer number of Vader feats, accolades and appearances, this thread is a work in progress. I aim to include every single Vader feat, accolade, statement and showing ever documented in this thread.
Also, I could never have found quite a few of these feats without Zapan’s original threads. I’m grateful to him for putting them together in the first place. This RT isn’t meant to outdo or surpass his, only consolidate the previous feats he’s given with ones I’ve found and have yet to document (until now).
This thread will only have feats and scaling from suited Vader. Anakin and KFV will not be used in any shape or form unless comparisons are drawn between them in accolades.
I’ve also done my best to include rough time frames for each feat, in order to give you a sense of when he performed each and whether it was before or after any noted power growth.
The formatting will also be improved in the future. Without any further ado, respect Darth Vader.
Accolades and statements
Power growth
Note: Due to the sheer number of Vader feats, accolades and appearances, this thread is a work in progress. I aim to include every single Vader feat, accolade, statement and showing ever documented in this thread.
Also, I could never have found quite a few of these feats without Zapan’s original threads. I’m grateful to him for putting them together in the first place. This RT isn’t meant to outdo or surpass his, only consolidate the previous feats he’s given with ones I’ve found and have yet to document (until now).
This thread will only have feats and scaling from suited Vader. Anakin and KFV will not be used in any shape or form unless comparisons are drawn between them in accolades.
I’ve also done my best to include rough time frames for each feat, in order to give you a sense of when he performed each and whether it was before or after any noted power growth.
The formatting will also be improved in the future. Without any further ado, respect Darth Vader.
Accolades and statements
- Spoiler:
(19 BBY) Vader’s strength is repeatedly praised by God. Note that this is a few months after Mustafar, when God was disappointed that Vader had been crippled. Despite this, he still refers to Vader with clear respect for his power. Bear in mind that God was pretty dismissive of the power of beings like Maul. The second is also from his own private thoughts, so he had no reason to lie:
Vader’s strength is respected by Darth Krayt:
Krayt admits that as A'sharad Hett he wasn’t strong enough to challenge Vader or God, despite challenging the likes of end of Mustafar Obi-Wan:
Compared to Joruus C’baoth by Luke:
According to Luke Skywalker, the duplicate C'baoth was easily as formidable a foe as Darth Vader and completely twisted to the dark side of the Force.
-- Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook
Believed by God to still possess great potential, albeit not nearly as great as his original potential considering his physical injuries but still great enough to endanger him:
Yes, Vader was not precisely what he had bargained for. Vader’s legs and arms were artificial, and he would never be able to summon lightning or leap about like the Jedi had been fond of doing. His dark side training was just beginning. But Sith power resided not in the flesh but in the will. Self-restraint was praised by the Jedi only because they didn’t know the power of the dark side. Vader’s real weaknesses were psychological rather than physical, and for Vader to overcome them he would need to be driven deeper into himself, to confront all his choices and his disappointments.
Powered by treachery, the Sith Master-apprentice relationship was always a dangerous game. Trust was encouraged even while being sabotaged; loyalty was demanded even while betrayal was prized; suspicion was nourished even while honesty was praised.
In some sense, it was survival of the fittest.
Fundamental to Vader’s growth was the desire to overthrow his Master.
Had Vader killed Obi-Wan on Mustafar, he might have attempted to kill God, as well. In fact, God would have been surprised if Anakin hadn’t made an attempt. Now, however, incapable of so much as breathing on his own, Vader could not rise to the challenge, and God understood that he would need everything in his power to shake Vader out of that despair, and reawaken the incredible power within him.
Even at God’s own peril…
--Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader
Confirmed to be above the likes of Ventress:
In that particular instance, Bane and God were foiled, but God' basic aims remained. He sought to create a network of Force-wielding agents loyal only to him. None would be trained sufficiently to be a threat to Darth Bane's insistence that there only be two Sith, nor would they be a threat to Darth God or his apprentice, Darth Vader. The most powerful of these agents were "only" Sith adepts but would appear almost as dark Jedi - the likes of Asajj Ventress, Mara Jade, or Inquisitor Valin Draco (in fact, a fallen Jedi). The lesser agents were reduced to still-deadly faceless minions. Among their ranks were the Shadow Guard.
(11 ABY) Above the likes of Sedriss:
Perhaps the strongest disciple of God after Darth Vader, Executor Sedriss remained loyal to the Emperor after the death of his clone over the Rebels' Pinnacle Base.
-- Handbook 3: Dark Empire
(0 ABY) Said to be more powerful than Jerec, though this is 5 years before Dark Forces:
The tattooed man’s dark-side energy wasn’t quite as powerful as the feeling she’d gotten from Darth Vader months ago. This man wasn’t as strong as Vader. But he was almost as evil.
-- Galaxy Of Fear: Spore
Ranked among the most powerful Sith in history. Bear in mind this included the likes of Exar Kun and God:
Many of the most powerful, terrifying, and notorious Sith Lords through history have been Human or near-Human, including Exar Kun, Darth Malak, Darth Bane, Darth God, Darth Vader, and Darth Krayt.
- Behind the Threat: The Sith, Part 3: Design
(18 BBY) Far more powerful than Kar Vastor before his massive power growths. While Kar’s main claim to fame is besting an exhausted, weakened and wounded Mace, even this version of Mace was insanely powerful, capable of ripping down trees and moving at speeds described as “invisible”:
Nick Rostu knew darkness.
He had, after all, stood with the Jedi Master Mace Windu against Kar Vastor in the steaming jungles of Haruun Kal. Kar Vastor, leader of the Balawai resistance; Kar Vastor, with his arm-mounted vibroblade weapons and his almost supernatural strength. Kar Vastor, stronger in the Force than any of the Korunnai, stronger than any in the galaxy, perhaps, save for the Jedi. Kar Vastor, so submerged in the dark side that, even though Nick had been only a couple of meters away from him during that final battle, even though he could see the man as clearly as he could see Mace, or Iolu, the guard who'd sliced him from sternum to navel-still, looking back on it now, he realized he couldn't visualize the guerrilla leader's face. It was as if the Balawai commander had been shrouded in darkness, somehow, as if the dark side of the Force radiated a strange anti-light. Kar Vastor had been the essence, the personification, of primal power, jungle savagery, and bloodlust distilled into flesh. Nick had never seen anyone or anything to match him.
Until now.
Until he stood, unarmed, before Darth Vader.
As if being armed would make a difference, he thought. He could be tricked out with wrist rockets, a hold-out shooter, a pair of DL-44s, and a disruptor rifle, and he might just as well be carrying a pointed stick. Vastor had been animal ferocity and menace, barely contained. He'd thrummed with the power of the dark side. His arms, legs, torso, and shoulders had been layered with striated muscle; he looked like he could have lifted a pregnant grasser over his head. One-handed.
Vader was as tall as Vastor had been, but probably massed a good twenty kilos less. He wasn't physically impressive in the same way; no musculature was visible under the black armor.
It didn't matter. There was no doubt in Nick's mind that, were Kar Vastor somehow to be pitted against Darth Vader, the feral Balawai renegade wouldn't stand a chance.
The Force was powerful in Vader; even the dim wattage of Nick's connection could feel that. It was far more powerful than it had been in Kar Vastor. It had pulsed from Vastor in waves of fury, blasted like an open furnace. In Vader, it was-contained. Pent.
Waiting.
- Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight
God believed that Vader was powerful enough to be at least a temporary threat to him:
Yes, Vader remained strong in the Force, but strong enough to succeed me? Never. Granted, he was strong enough to kill me. But that only lasted for so long.
-- Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide To The Force
God draws comparisons between DE Luke and ROTJ Vader. Interestingly, he focuses on Luke’s potential, not his base power:
"Yes, that mask inspired terror throughout the galaxy but the feeble heart within was forever possessed by the impotent side of the Force. You can be far stronger than he was."
-- Dark Empire 1
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"Yes... you have that talent... you are a Skywalker, after all... You can be like him... You can be greater than he was!"
-- Dark Empire Endnotes
Luke himself has a great degree of respect for Vader’s power. Whether the claim that Vader could stomp him is accurate or not, Luke’s reverence for Vader’s power, despite his redemption and Luke no longer fearing him because of this, clearly came from somewhere, indicating Vader’s power:
She pointed a finger at Luke, and before Luke even recognized her evil intent, a ripple of Force slammed into him. White lights exploded behind his eyes, and the right side of his face felt as if it had been smashed by a hammer. His left arm and right leg crumpled under their unbearable weight, and he dropped to the ground on one knee, stunned. All the noise and blaster fire and screams of pain died away, became a distant roaring. Gethzerion pointed at him again, twitched her finger, and his eyes lost focus. He felt the hammer blow to his left temple, dropped to his side and rolled over to his back, gasping. Luke stared up at the sky, watching streams of rocks hurtling above him—some propelled by the Force, others hurled by rancors.
Time seemed to slow. His head throbbed, pounding to the same rhythm as the beating of his heart. His face had gone cold, numb, and Luke realized distantly that Gethzerion’s spell had ripped open blood vessels in his brain, and he was about to die, one among hundreds of fatalities on this battlefield.
So this is how it would have been, if Vader had tried to kill me.
--The Courtship of Princess Leia
If you doubt the continuity of this, bear in mind that the author (Dave Wolverton) went through every plot point with George and received not only approval but also praise for the piece:
We went through George Lucas and he signed off on each point. When he got done, he wrote me a little note that said, “Great job, I can’t wait to see it!” It was that easy to get through the approval process. Of course, once you write the story, they read to make sure you wrote what you said you would, and it’s up to their standards. Really, it was a painless process that was pretty much all of my creation and I just felt lucky and grateful George Lucas signed off on it!
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But it is true. That’s the one thing I got hit with. You can’t judge fan reaction to a certain degree. I did get a fan letter from George Lucas!
Lucas also appears to agree with Wolverton’s interpretation of ROTJ considering that he not only approved but praised his work:
I thought a really interesting implication in TCOPL was that Luke realized that Darth Vader and God never sought to kill him, facing the full brunt of the dark side when the Nightsisters attack and pretty much feeling completely helpless.
The “contagonist”, which is what Darth Vader is called, there’s a person who works for an evil power, a dark lord who has his or her own agenda. It seemed obvious to me that Darth Vader looked at turning Luke very early on. Luke had never felt the full force of what the dark side is, at least in episodes 5 and 6. He was pulling his punches! That seemed pretty obvious to me. The idea that, “Gosh, somebody who doesn’t care for me at all who is with the dark side is trying to destroy me!” just seems sort of a logical next step in Luke’s character arc.
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We went through George Lucas and he signed off on each point. When he got done, he wrote me a little note that said, “Great job, I can’t wait to see it!”
Lucas also seems to support the idea that Vader > base Luke in the Force:
Well, children love power because children are the powerless. And so their fantasies all center on having power. And who’s more powerful than Darth Vader, you know? And, some, you know, will be attracted to Luke Skywalker because he’s the good guy. But ultimately, we all know that Darth Vader’s more powerful than he is.
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The confusion surrounding Vader and Luke is explained by Hamill as George caring less about concepts of power and more about an emotional confrontation in this case. His only concession was that Luke = Vader in skill, not power:
The result of Lucas's thinking meant that the script had been altered earlier—with Vader's intention to corrupt Leia triggering Luke's fury. "There's no question that Luke is now an equal swordsman to Vader," adds Hamill. "But Luke isn't a sadist; he would never make Vader suffer, because I'm better at what a Jedi does than Darth Vader. So the question is, how do I resolve it?' We were much more interested in the drama than in a long flashy fight."
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As scripted, the duel ends when Luke cuts off his father's hand, a symbolic castration as well as revenge for what his father had done to him in the previous film. "This thing with dismemberment I've been dead set against from the very beginning," Hamill adds. "What really galled me was the ice monster—I mean, I'm a Jedi. I could have just grazed him." In the film's most important moment, Luke sees that his rage is making him more machine than man, that he is perilously close to losing his humanity and compassion, that he has to make a choice.
The combined power of the fallen Kyp Durron and Exar Kun’s teachings is compared to Vader in its danger. In the same quote, Vader is all but said to be stronger than Luke:
In the temples of a long-gone people, the spirit of Exar Kun, the most powerful Dark Lord of the Sith, whose teachings once led Darth Vader to the side of evil, lives on. Luke must watch helplessly as some of his students succumb to the whisperings of Exar Kun. Above all, the young Kyp Durron, who is utterly devoured by hatred for the Empire, is only too willing to follow the temptations of the forbidden Sith teachings. Without realizing, he is more and more dedicated to the dark side of power. Soon he's more powerful than Luke and threatens to become an even more dangerous opponent than Darth Vader once was ...
Note that this is a blurb, so its canonicity and authority is questionable.
(11 ABY) Kyp Durron’s power is compared to Vader’s:
If Kyp had fallen to the dark side, he could become another Darth Vader. Perhaps even worse…
- Jedi Academy Trilogy: Dark Apprentice
(14 ABY) Vader's power was enough to create a nexus in the Force in his castle on Vjun:
Master Skywalker has dispatched the Jedi to locations of heavy Force activity in the hopes of catching up with the Disciples of Ragnos. Travel with Master Kyle Katarn to Darth Vader's castle on Vjun to stop the cult from draining its Force energy.
- Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy (Vjun mission).
It's worth noting that this was distinguished from Vjun's natural dark side nexus, with the Disciples of Ragnos seeking out Vader's meditation chamber, where his usage of the Force would have been strongest:
"Vjun? Isn't that just a big, dead rock?"
"It also happens to be the location of one of my father's strongholds."
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"Vjun is dangerous. The dark side is strong there...oppressive. Be extremely careful."
For reference, the Disciples only targeted areas with extremely powerful dark side energy signatures. Other areas included Dagobah's dark side cave (an extremely potent nexus of dark side energy which could affect even the likes of Starkiller) and Byss (an incredibly powerful dark side nexus used by DE God as his base of operations).
Power growth
- Spoiler:
(18 BBY) Grew massively following Roan Shryne’s death, to the point that God hadn’t considered him a true Sith until this point:
More important, Vader's bloodlust had been appeased; replaced by self-possession of a sort he had never before experienced. It was as if he had crossed some invisible threshold to a new world. He could feel the power of the dark side surging through him like an icy torrent. He felt invulnerable in a way that had nothing to do with his durasteel prostheses, his suit of armor and gadgets, which now seemed little more than an outfit. And it had taken a Jedi–yet another Jedi–to usher him over that threshold.
--
God was pleased. Vader had done well. He had sensed the change in him, even in the brief conversation they had had following the events on Kashyyyk. Now that Vader had begun to tap deeply into the power of the dark side, his true apprenticeship could begin. The Jedi were incidental to him. He was covetous of the power God wielded, and believed that one day they would be equals.
-- Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader
Grew stronger over time:
Between Lord Vader and the Imperial Inquisitors (and a handful of independent Jedi Hunters), the dark side grew stronger and stronger.
--The Dark Side Sourcebook
The more powerful figures may often be defeated but not slain. They may flee, like Darth Vader after the destruction of the Death Star, to return more powerful on another day.
--Gamer #5
When the Death Star exploded, it was believed that Vader had been lost to the void. But he returned, more powerful than before, and was given command of the fleet assigned to track down Skywalker and the Rebel fleet.
-- Galaxy Guide 1: A New Hope
(ESB) Stated to be far stronger than his ANH self, who dominated Ben and who performed many of the feats in the TK area:
Within the armed forces Vader now holds absolute power over the higher Imperial officers who scorned him earlier in his career. This situation reflects Vader's greater mastery over himself and over the Force in the time since the Battle of Yavin, an improvement that is readily apparent in his lightsaber style during the duel with Luke Skywalker on Bespin. Vader has largely freed himself of pain through the Force in the years since the Battle of Yavin and, by practice with living opponents both willing and unwilling, he has advanced his lightsaber technique. Baron Orman Tagge serves as testament to Vader's technique by this era, precisely blinded in both eyes by Vader's blade in a duel. Vader is thus a far more formidable foe on Bespin than he was against Ben Kenobi on the Death Star.
-- Insider #62
(ROTJ) Vader grows again between ESB and ROTJ:
His power was great, now, greater than it had ever been. It shimmered from within, and resonated with the waves of darkness that flowed from the Emperor.
-- Return Of The Jedi
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More powerful in the Force than ever before as well as a master of the lightsaber, Darth Vader prepares for his final battle as the Rebel fleet hammers the fully operational Death Star.
-- Darth Vader Return Of Anakin Skywalker
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 17th 2019, 4:12 pm
Telepathy
- Spoiler:
(Pre-ESB) Rips information from the mind of the genius behind the Death Star laser array.
(Pre-ESB) Vader communicates with Birra Seah, another Force sensitive, without a line of sight and with some distance between them. While the distance is unclear, it’s presumably at least the length of the Executor. He also manages to read her thoughts:
It’s worth noting Vader was also hiding his presence from Sidious at the time:
(ESB) Telepathically contacts Luke while on the Executor and while Luke is on the Millenium Falcon:
https://youtu.be/Sg6q5W2XOic?t=49
(ROTJ) Picks up on an emotional Luke’s thoughts and fairly easily reads exactly who he’s worried about. It’s worth noting Luke was actively trying to stop this from happening:
“Give yourself to the dark side, Luke,” he entreated. “It is the only way you can save your friends. Yes, your thoughts betray you, son. Your feelings for them are strong, especially for—“ Vader stopped. He sensed something.
Luke withdrew further into shadow. He tried to hide, but there was no way to hide what was in his mind—Leia was in pain. Her agony cried to him now, and his spirit cried with her. He tried to shut it out, to shut it up, but the cry was loud, and he couldn't stifle it, couldn't leave it alone, had to cradle it openly, to give it solace. Vader's consciousness invaded that private place. “No!” screamed Luke.
Vader was incredulous. “Sister? Sister!” he bellowed. “Your feelings have now betrayed her, too... Twins!” he roared triumphantly. “Obi-Wan was wise to hide her, but now his failure is complete.”
-- Return Of The Jedi
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Then, Vader and Palpatine both gained access to Luke's innermost thoughts, those that protected his sister, Princess Leia Organa.
-- The Essential Guide To Characters
(Pre-ESB) Mind controls an Imperial officer:
(18.8 BBY) Telepathically instils fear in Nick Rostu, a man with a natural Force connection
“You want me to find Jax Pavan for you,” Nick said. “I won’t do it.” His voice shook a little, but he got the words out.
Vader stepped closer to him. "I think you will. In fact, I know you will. You are brave; your record makes that clear. You do not fear death." He raised his left hand, index finger slightly extended, as if making a point. "But there are far worse things than mere death ...".
And before Nick realized what was going on, the Dark Lord was somehow inside his head, a dark shadow interrupting the flow of his thoughts. The shadow seemed to expand...Nick screamed, and fell into a blackness even more perfect than the eyes of Darth Vader.
--
Rhinann took Nick Rostu down to the hangar bay. Rostu was conscious, but silent, staring into the distance. Rhinann had become somewhat familiar with human facial expressions and body language, and he could tell that Rostu had seen or heard something that had nearly stunned him into a vegetative state. Rhinann shuddered, trying not to think about what horrors Vader had imparted to the human. Whatever they had been, they had left him in such shock that the forcecuffs he was wearing seemed almost superfluous.
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His mind felt like it had been punched full of holes—holes that let conscious thoughts drain from it as fast as they popped into existence. Or maybe it was just that the thoughts were too horrible to hold on to for any length of time.
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It was the human, Rostu, who had been the stick that broke the bantha’s back. After Rhinann had sent him on his way in the freighter, the Elomin had had time to speculate on whatever Vader had done to him to cause such a state of fear and despair in a hardened guerrilla warrior.
-- Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight
(18 BBY) Believes that he could reach across the galaxy to Roan Shryne. At the time, Vader was on Coruscant while Shryne was in the Outer Rim:
The moon was arid Jaguada’s sole companion in a desolate system slaved to a dying star, far from major hyperlanes. The fact that remote Jaguada should host a garrison of clone troopers in the desert planet’s modest population center struck Shryne as something of a mystery. But the troopers’ presence could owe to plans to salvage the Separatist war machines that had been left abandoned on the moon, as troopers were known to be doing in numerous Outer Rim systems.
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Behind Armand Isard and the two Internal Security Bureau technicians seated at the Temple beacon control console, Vader stood with his arms folded across his chest, Commander Appo at his right hand.
“I want to know how the beacon was accessed,” Vader said.
“By means of a Jedi transceiver, Lord Vader,” the tech closest to Armand said.
“Cross-check the transceiver code with the identity database,” the ISB chief said, anticipating Vader.
“The name should be coming up in a moment,” the other tech said, eyes glued to rapidly scrolling text on one of the display screens. “Chatak,” he added a moment later. “Bol Chatak.”
The sound of Vader’s breathing filled the ensuing silence.
Shryne and Starstone, he thought. Obviously they had been in possession of Chatak’s beacon transceiver when they had evaded him at Murkhana. Now they were attempting to determine the location of other Jedi when Order Sixty-Six had been issued. Certainly they were hoping to establish contact with survivors, hoping to pick up the pieces of their shattered order.
And… what?
Devise their revenge? Unlikely, since that would entail calling on the dark side. Formulate a plan to kill the Emperor? Perhaps. Although, ignorant of the fact that Palpatine was a Sith, they would not plot an assassination. So perhaps they were contemplating an attack on the Emperor’s enforcer?
Vader considered reaching out to Shryne through the Force, but rejected the idea.
“What is the source of the transmission?” he asked finally.
“The Jaguada system, Lord Vader,” the first technician said. “More precisely, the moon of the system’s only inhabited world.”
A large holomap of the galaxy emerged from the console’s holoprojector. Linked to myriad databases throughout the Temple, the map made use of a palette of colors to indicate trouble spots. Just now, in preservation of the moment Order Sixty-Six had been executed, more than two hundred worlds glowed blood red.
Perhaps this explained why Sidious hadn’t had the Temple dismantled, Vader thought. So he could regard it from his lofty new throne room and gloat.
-- Dark lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader
(3 ABY) Forces Stauz Czycz to relive his past:
(Pre-ESB) Seemingly terrifies a criminal with telepathy:
(ROTJ) Vader contacts Luke while he's in the Endor system and Luke's on Tatooine.
Note that this wasn't cut for any continuity purposes, and was done so for timing:
Apart from myriad small changes, Lucas deleted one major scene. “I liked the scene where Luke is building his lightsaber and his father contacts him with telepathy, ‘Luke, join me …,’ ” says Burtt. “Too bad it was cut. It was filmed, scored, done, and mixed, and it was in the Northpoint sneak preview.”
“It was such a better entrance, such a big entrance, much more dramatic,” Hamill would say, “but I can see how if they’re trying to cut down the time that they might not need it. I loved the framing and the lighting of it; it’s just so artistically done. But I think they really wanted the beginning to be more organic to the plot.”
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 17th 2019, 4:13 pm
Telekinesis
Tutaminis
Force barrier
- Spoiler:
(ROTS) Crushes everything in the room (except Sidious, who was unaffected) and releases a Force scream that affected everyone in the facility:
"DARTH SIDIOUS: I'm afraid she died. ... it seems in your anger, you killed her.
A LOW GROAN emanates from Vader's mask. Suddenly everything in the room begins to implode, including some of the DROIDS.
DARTH VADER: I couldn't have! She was alive! I felt her! She was alive! It's impossible! No!!!
VADER SCREAMS, breaks his bonds to the table, and steps forward, waving his hands, causing objects to fly around the room. SIDIOUS deflects the objects, but some of the DROIDS aren't so lucky. VADER'S PAINFUL SCREAMS echo throughout the Center."
-- Revenge Of The Sith Script
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"It happened about a year ago," he said, lowering his voice to a ragged whisper. "Near the very end of the Clone Wars. A scream was heard. A scream so terrible and so loud that it echoed throughout the building and made the sensors go crazy. It was said that one med worker lost his hearing. Permanently. The med workers searched and searched for the source of the sound, but there was... nothing. There was only a handful of patients at that time. It had seemed to come from everywhere and nowhere, but no patient had done it." Jako's voice had lowered to a whisper. "It was as though all the dead of the Clone Wars had screamed their death cries at the same time, then gone back to being dead."
Ferus knew that in his slightly incoherent way Jako was trying to spook him, and it had worked. Just not in the way he'd thought. Jako winked. "Enjoy the night shift." He closed his eyes again, and, smiling, was asleep in seconds. Ferus thought once more about Vader's prosthetics. They were extensive, from a breath-mask to vision enhancement to possible artificial limbs. He was fairly certain that Vader had at least one artificial hand. And he was regulated by what seemed to be a complex bio-system within that suit.
For the first time, Ferus wondered what awful injuries he must have sustained. What had happened to the guy? He had been chasing the wrong idea. Vader, whoever he was, must have been in terrible pain.
-- Last Of The Jedi: Against The Empire
The facility was also one of the biggest on Coruscant:
Most Galactic citizens know it as Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center (EmPal SuRecon in shorthand city-speak). To them, it is the crown of one of Coruscant's tallest buildings, containing an elite medical facility specializing in advanced medical treatment for extremely difficult cases from around the galaxy.
-- Star Wars Databank
(19 BBY) Dominates a Jedi master with the Force:
(19 BBY) Effortlessly throws a starship:
(Pre-ANH) Effortlessly smashes an officer’s head against a table with enough force to shatter it:
(Pre-ANH) Seals a hole in a cruiser by throwing debris against it with enough force to seal it:
(TFU 2) Effortlessly rips Kaminoan platforms and cloning tanks from their supports and chucks them as a side effect of his duel with Starkiller:
He rolled and leapt, and came up swinging. Covered in blood - the blood of his fellow clones - and knowing Juno was close, he fought his former Master with single-minded focus. Vader was still testing him; he sensed that more and more keenly, with every passing moment, but to what purpose he still couldn't tell. Vader himself fought more cautiously than he had on the Death Star, the last time they had dueled in earnest. His armor seemed to have improved, too; it was less vulnerable to lightning than it had been just days before.Vader threw wrecked platforms and cloning rubes at him, while he scored three slashes to the Dark Lord's cape in return.
For reference, the platforms look like this:
(TFU 2) Vader throws Starkiller with enough force to apparently twist and buckle the platform beneath them:
"You never wanted this. You can't have. Once Juno has been rescued, your facility will be destroyed. You with it, if there's any justice." "There is no justice, " said Darth Vader, watching him ascend. "Only power." Vader made no move to defend himself when Starkiller reached the very top of the cloning tower. Determined to prove him wrong, Starkiller didn't waste time announcing his intentions. He just lunged. Only at the very last moment did Vader raise his blade to block the blow, and even then the move seemed almost casual, disinterested. Starkiller struck again, with both lightsabers. Vader blocked one blade and used telekinesis to throw the other off target. The platform buckled and twisted, sending Starkiller flying.
(19 BBY) Easily causes a blizzard:
(19 BBY) Effortlessly blows apart a reinforced watchtower door:
(19 BBY) Shatters a wall with the Force:
(19 BBY) A few months after Mustafar, he effortlessly blows apart a reinforced blast door. As part of a spice mine, the door would be reinforced to protect against explosions or other such damage and is also pressurised to conserve the air supply, yet Vader not only blasted it off its hinges but ripped it apart in the process:
(19 BBY) In the same fight, he effortlessly ragdolls a fully trained (and enraged) Jedi master with a dismissive gesture while distracted:
(19 BBY) Ragdolls another Jedi master after she disables his lightsaber with a cortosis blade:
(19 BBY) Despite being only a few months after Mustafar and despite not only missing a hand but suffering wounds to his back and leg (right where his upper servos connect with the leg), he still holds off the combined attacks of a revered Jedi master (Tsui Choi) and two other masters for a while until (with immense difficulty) they land a hit to his face that downs him:
(19 BBY) Vader then proceeds to effortlessly seize Tsui Choi with the Force, with the latter apparently unable to break free:
(19 BBY) Kills or knocks out a group of troopers with a single Force push:
(0 ABY) In a mix of TK and electromagnetic manipulation, he stops a bomb from detonating:
(0 ABY) Vader then effortlessly crushes the bomb without it going off:
(Pre-ANH) Lifts and then throws a huge contraption at rebel miners:
(19 BBY) Casually throws five massive beasts out of his way, knocking them out or killing them:
(Pre-ANH) Telekinetically forces a Clone to walk to his death to fake an accident:
(18 BBY) Rips apart platforms and walkways in his fight with Roan Shryne:
Before Shryne could begin to make sense of it, he heard a creaking sound from below, and something flew at him from one of the ramps. Only a last-instant turn of his sword kept the object from striking him in the head. It was a plank-ripped from a ramp they had taken to the bridge. Shryne gazed in awe at unreadable Vader, then began to race toward him, blade held high over his right shoulder. He didn't make half the distance when a storm of similar planks and lengths of handrail came whirling at him. Vader was using his dark side abilities to dismantle the ramps!
Surrendering to the guidance of the Force, Shryne swung his lightsaber in a flurry of deflecting maneuvers-side-to-side, overhead, low down, behind his back-but the floorboards were coming in larger and larger pieces, from all directions, and faster than he could parry them. The butt end of a board struck him on the outer left thigh. The face of a wide plank slammed him across the shoulders. Wooden pegs flew at his face; other speared into his arms.
Then a short support post hit him squarely in the forehead, knocking the wind out of him and dropping him to his knees. Blood running into his eyes, he fought to remain conscious, extending the lightsaber in one shaking hand while clamping the other on the bridge's handrail. Five meters away Vader stood, his hands crossed in front of him, lightsaber hanging on his belt. Shryne tried to keep him in focus.
Another board, whirling end-over-end, came out of nowhere, hitting him in the kidneys. Reflexively the hand that was grasping the railing went to the small of his back, and he lost balance. Trying but failing to catch himself, he fell through space.Give in the wooden floor saved his life, but at the expense of all the bones in his left arm and shoulder.Above him Vader jumped from the bridge, dropping to the floor with a grace he hadn't displayed before and alighting just meters away.
-- Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader
(19 BBY) Shortly after ROTS, Vader effortlessly rips apart a durasteel wall while fighting traitors before throwing huge pieces of debris around:
(19 BBY) Ragdolls training droids:
(19 BBY) In an enraged state, he rips apart the Jedi Council chamber:
Ragdolls dozens of troopers with a Force wave. Not that there’s no domino effect here. The soldiers are picked up and tossed high into the air, followed by the ones behind:
(TFU 1) Succeeds in momentarily choking Galen:
"You can teach me nothing," Darth Vader's leaden voice intoned. One black glove clenched, and for a moment the apprentice's throat closed tight. He beat back the telekinetic attack with one of his own, shoving his Master in the chest with the force of a small explosion, throwing Darth Vader backward across the room.- The Force Unleashed novel.
(19 BBY) Collapses a huge cathedral with a labyrinth built underneath it despite being injured and only a few months after Mustafar:
(Pre-ANH) Force chokes multiple soldiers at once:
(Pre-ANH) Effortlessly chokes an inquisitor:
(Pre-ANH) Ragdolls an entire group of Jedi:
(ESB) Dominates ESB Luke with the Force by throwing objects at him:
https://youtu.be/rgyitSlMtMY?t=229
(TFU) Chokes and ragdolls Rahm Kota:
Before anyone else could react, Kota whisked the lightsaber from Starkiller's belt and launched himself at the Dark Lord. Vader raised a hand and caught the general telekinetically about the throat. Kota dropped the lightsaber and desperately clutched at the invisible fingers choking him, but the pressure only increased. When his resistance was crushed, Vader threw him bodily toward the stormtroopers and turned his attention elsewhere.
-- The Force Unleashed
(TFU) Effortlessly throws a heavy stone table at Galen:
Before Starkiller could reach out for where his lightsaber lay fallen on the ground, the stone conference table lifted into the air and hurled itself at him. Crashing through three of the pillars and catching him squarely in the chest, it drove him out into the snow. Ignoring everyone else in the room, Vader strode heavily after him, lightsaber raised.
--
Vader casually tossed him toward the icy cliff. He slid across the ground, clutching weakly at the snow, and then spilled over the edge. The world turned for a moment and he thought he might have fainted as he fell. The bottom of the cliff was thousands of meters below, impossibly distant. It didn't seem to be coining closer, which puzzled him momentarily.
-- The Force Unleashed
(3 ABY) Ragdolls Stauz Czyzk with enough force to send him rocketing into the top of the room’s ceiling:
(TFU) Matches Galen in a Force battle:
And there were ways to fight that didn't involve lightsabers. Loose objects, accelerated to killing speeds by the Force, became projectiles that converged from all directions. Invisible fists clutched for throats or punched with the power of pile drivers. Floors tipped underfoot; severed beams stabbed like javelins; overloaded circuits exploded.
-- The Force Unleashed
(Pre-ANH) Throws an attacker with enough force to crack a wall:
(19 BBY) Dominates Celeste Morne with the Force while holding back:
Bear in mind Celeste Morne managed to hold her own against Vong Krayt until Maladi joined the assault while she was also fighting Muur’s attempts to take control of her body, with Muur himself stating that she would fail “in time”:
She also ragdolled Clone troopers:
There is a common misconception that Vader retreated because Muur was too powerful. This is false. Vader retreated after Morne (using Muur’s power) transformed over a dozen clone troopers into Rakghouls, which surrounded Vader. Vader would be fighting a horrendously amped Morne (using both her and Muur’s powers together) as well as countless Rakghouls who could infect him with even a scratch:
(19 BBY) Uses a tree like a battering ram to kill a creature and throw off an assassin:
(18 BBY) Melts durasteel with a scream:
Another roar from Vader. Part of the ceiling gave way. Durasteel melted, smoke rose from the debris. Ferus leaped over a gaping hole in the floor and attacked Vader again, but his lightsaber cut through empty air.
-- Last Of The Jedi: Reckoning
(19 BBY) Shook an entire building with his rage:
Vader’s reaction was not what he’d expected. After a frozen instant, ignoring the bloody spittle running down one plasteel cheek, he knelt and grabbed Typho by the hair, lifting the latter’s head and eliciting a cry of renewed pain from him.
“What?” The flare in the Force that raced through the hangar was enough to shake the foundations of the building. The Dark Lord actually seemed to grow, to expand and become more terrible in his rage than Typho would have believed possible.
-- Coruscant Nights II: Streets Of Shadows
(Pre-ESB) Shatters a Stormtrooper’s helmet:
(19 BBY) Effortlessly manipulates an energy wave capable of disintegrating people after destabilising it by removing the focusing crystal that allows it to be aimed:
Said energy wave was also capable of slicing star destroyers in half when focused:
When unfocused, the beam could also destroy a planet, indicating just how powerful it was and how much mastery and power it would take to manipulate it:
(19 BBY) Freezes a Jedi master’s hand, stopping him from activating a bomb:
(Pre-ANH?) Effortlessly catches in place a moving TIE fighter, crushes it, and throws it as a weapon:
(Pre-ESB) Effortlessly picks up and throws a Y-wing:
(1 BBY) Kills a robber with a push:
(0-4 ABY) Chokes Prince Xizor from across the galaxy:
Xizor turned toward the hologram of the dark-caped figure-an intimidatingly life-sized image, transmitted from the Devastator, Lord Vader's personal flagship. Standing against Vader-even in this insubstantial form-was like facing radiation hard enough to strip flesh from bone. Not for the first time Xizor felt an invisible hand settle around his throat. His own willpower kept the breath sliding in and out of his lungs. But if Vader were to unleash his complete wrath, the force of will might not be enough. Xizor had seen others, the highest-ranking officers in the Empire's forces, clutching their throats and gasping for air, writhing like a Dantooinian garfish caught on a barbed trawling line. Perhaps wisely, Vader tended to avoid such displays in front of the Emperor; why tempt the old man into showing how much greater was his own mastery of the Force that penetrated and bound the galaxy together?
-Bounty Hunter Wars- The Force Unleashed novel.
Tutaminis
- Spoiler:
Vader displays impressive mastery of this ability:
There are countless other examples of him blocking blaster bolts with the Force, but I don’t want to clog up the RT.
Tutaminis is also a fairly difficult ability to master, with only a handful of beings shown to have mastered it, which includes Valkorion, Sidious, Yoda, Mace Windu, Luke, Darth Nox, Darth Malgus, and Revan.
Vader mastered it in a matter of months.
Force barrier
- Spoiler:
(19 BBY) No-sells an explosion that wipes out an estate:
(19 BBY) Stops laser bolts:
"Tell the droid to give me the bota, Pavan."
"The droid doesn't have it," said I-Five suddenly. Both hands came up in a lethal gesture, lasers firing. The beams sliced toward Vader . . . and stopped mere centimeters from his outstretched hand.
-- Coruscant Nights III: Patterns Of The Force
(19 BBY) With a combination of a Force wave and a barrier, he stops blaster bolts:
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Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 17th 2019, 4:14 pm
Physicals - speed
Physicals - strength
Physicals - durability
Willpower/Pain tolerance
- Spoiler:
(19 BBY) Throws his lightsaber faster than a Jedi master can react, dismembering him at the wrist:
(19 BBY) In a showing of agility and speed, Vader backflips across a table, draws his lightsaber, and deflects a blaster bolt faster than an assassin can react:
(19 BBY) Easily reacts to and blocks blaster bolts:
(Pre-ESB) Defeats an entire group of special forces stormtroopers in about 15 seconds:
(19 BBY) Blitzes a group of guerrilla fighters:
(18 BBY) Moves faster than anyone Ferus Olin had seen except Yoda. While this obviously doesn’t include ROTS Anakin and Mace Windu, it does include post-ROTS Obi-Wan, pre-AOTC Anakin, Siri Tachi, and several Council members:
"He is a former associate, yes, but --"
It happened before he could get out another word. Faster than an eyeblink. Faster than he'd seen anyone move, anyone except Yoda.
The lightsaber hadn't been there, and then it was, and the lightsaber was a blur. Vader moved without seeming to move, and the lightsaber sliced into Roan, straight into his chest. Straight into his heart.
-- Last Of The Jedi: Secret Weapon
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He'd stood by and watched, too slow to react, as Darth Vader had casually flipped his lightsaber and ran it through his best friend, his partner, Roan Lands.
-- Last Of The Jedi: Against The Empire
(TFU 2) Moves as a blur when fighting Starkiller:
Finally, Starkiller saw an opportunity. They were exchanging rapid blows along the edge of the buckled platform, blades swinging so fast they were visible only as blurs. Vader's defenses were impenetrable; his lightsaber seemed to arrive a split second before Starkiller's, every time.
-- The Force Unleashed 2
(0 ABY) Despite being caught off guard, he deflects 11 blaster bolts:
The faint click of metallic weapons reached his ears. Faster than thought, Vader drew and ignited his lightsaber. In the same moment, small openings appeared in the walls and ceiling, and hidden blasters fired. Energy beams rained down on the Dark Lord and his soldiers. Stormtroopers cried out as blaster bolts shattered their white armor.
At least a dozen bolts streaked toward Vader himself. Moving faster than the eye could follow, Vader's lightsaber blocked them all.
Except for one.
The last blaster shot slipped past his saber and glanced off the Dark Lord's armored shoulder. Circuits snapped and sizzled. Looking down, Vader saw that the energy beam had sliced a thin hole in his armor and reached his skin. A tiny stream of blood trickled down his armor and dripped onto the stone floor. The Dark Lord let out a low growl and covered the wound with his gloved hand. The wound itself was only a scratch, but he relied on his armor's power to keep him alive. Now that it had been punctured, he would have to have it repaired.
More blasters fired.
-- Galaxy of Fear: Clones
(19 BBY) Blitzes a Jedi knight:
(19 BBY) Seemingly teleports more than once:
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(18 BBY) Easily keeps up with Roan Shryne and moves fast enough to nearly disarm him with a single attack:
For an instant it seemed that the blade was going to pass clear through Vader's knees, but Vader leapt high, half twisting in midair and coming down behind Shryne.
-- Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader
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As tenuous as his contact with the Force sometimes was, Shryne was still a master with a sword, and almost thirty years of training had honed his instincts and turned his body into an instrument of tremendous speed and power.
-- Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader
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Lightsaber grasped in both hands, Vader took a single forward step and performed a lightning-fast underhand sweep that almost knocked Forte's lightsaber from Shryne's grip. Spinning, Shryne regained his balance and raced forward, feinting a diagonal slash from the left, then twisting the blade around to the right and surging forward.
Physicals - strength
- Spoiler:
(19 BBY) Breaks free from restraints when enraged:
(19 BBY) Punches a hole in a table:
(19 BBY) Shatters a pillar:
(TFU) Nearly disarms Galen with a single strike:
-- The Force UnleashedHe thought he was ready-and so the sheer severity of the opening blow took him by surprise. A simple double stroke, up and then down, it contained enough power to jar his wrists and shoulders and very nearly disarm him completely. The collision of their lightsabers was blinding. He staggered backward and found himself at the center of a telekinetic storm.
Physicals - durability
- Spoiler:
(19 BBY) Tanks an explosion to the chest:
(19 BBY) No-sells an explosion capable of blowing up an entire estate:
(TFU) Tanks Galen’s Oneness explosion (though he’s injured in the process), which was powerful enough to seemingly damage even Sidious (however lightly):
Darth Vader struggled to his feet from the rubble, even more damaged than before. He reached out for support and found only his Master, scowling.
(19 BBY) Survives being burned alive by flamethrowers, though due to the damage from before (such as his life support system being ruptured), he’s nearly killed in the process:
(TFU 2) Tanks SK’s lightning twice, though it should be noted that Vader’s suit had been improved resistance against electrical attacks the second time:
A burst of lightning arced from Starkiller's fingers. Too late, the Dark Lord raised his lightsaber to catch the attack. Lightning crawled up and down his chest plate and helmet, provoking a painful whine from his breathing apparatus. The servo motors in his right arm strained.
Starkiller had only a split second before his former Master repelled the attack. The Force flowed through him. Droid parts and debris rose up and spun around the room. With a harsh rending sound, the metal wall burst outward, letting in the fury of the storm. But even in the grip of his passions he knew that there was a difference. He was intimately familiar with what being driven by negative emotions felt like. His original had been a slave to the dark side until Juno and Kota had shown him how to be free. That legacy remained even now. He would choose the emotions that ruled him. He would not be a slave to them.
The dark side tugged at Starkiller, and it was hard to resist. He hated his former Master. He feared for Juno. He doubted the very fact of his existence. Killing the man who had created him would go some way to solving at least two of those problems. The temptation was very strong.Vader's blade caught the edge of the lightning. The Dark Lord began to straighten.
-- The Force Unleashed 2
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And when Vader forced Starkiller onto his back foot and raised his lightsaber to strike him down, Starkiller fired a lightning blast into the side of Vader's armor that was so concentrated, even the new insulation couldn't absorb it.
The Dark Lord stiffened, betrayed by his extensive prosthetics. The distraction lasted only a moment, but it was enough. Starkiller knocked his blade out of the way and moved in to strike.
-- The Force Unleashed
Willpower/Pain tolerance
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(19 BBY) Pulls himself back from the brink of death:
Twice:
(19 BBY) Keeps fighting despite serious injuries to his back, leg and missing a hand:
(TFU) Still conscious and able to get up shortly after being sliced across the throat and shoulder, stabbed in the knee, hit with rockets and taking the full force of a generator explosion:
The lightsabers flashed again—and it was the apprentice who found the chink in the armor that both of them had been waiting for. Vader’s lightsaber moved too slowly to block a blow to his chest, allowing the apprentice’s blade to slash deeply across his armored throat.
Vader staggered backward, gloved hand upraised to the smoking wound. There was no blood. Instead of pressing the attack, the apprentice stood his ground. Despite himself, he was as surprised as his former Master clearly was. For a moment, the only sounds were the twin humming of the lightsabers and the wheezing of Darth Vader’s respirator. Then the Dark Lord laughed. It was an awful sound, empty of humor and full of mockery. In it, the apprentice heard a decade and a half of torture and abuse. Anger flared. He lunged forward. His former Master barely blocked the blow. A second scored a deep wound across his black-clad shoulder. A third stabbed deep into his thigh. Darth Vader reeled backward, servos whining in his injured limbs and lightsaber shaking. The apprentice gripped his lightsaber in both hands and held himself back. Anger was familiar and powerful; it also clouded his eyes when he most needed to see clearly. Vader prepared for combat again. His power over the apprentice, however, was gone.
His lightsaber went skittering and sparking across the floor, twisted out of his grip by telekinesis. The Force wrenched him into the air, as he had once lifted the apprentice’s father, and a barrage of missiles struck at him with increasing strength. He raised his gloved hands to defend himself, but the battery continued until, with a crash, the apprentice ripped the energy field generator in the center of the room right out of the floor and hurled it at his former Master. The generator exploded with greater force than he had expected, throwing him and everyone else to the floor. The transparisteel dome shattered. Debris rained everywhere. The sound of the explosion rang in his ears for an unnaturally long time afterward.
He was the first to his feet, striding across the rubble to where Darth Vader lay face-forward, gravely wounded and stripped of his armor in places. Flesh and machinery showed through the gaps. Finally, some real blood was flowing. The apprentice stood over him with his lightsaber upraised and ready to strike. His former Master was trying to stand, feebly willing his massive bulk to move as it was supposed to. Servomotors whined and strained. When he rolled over, the apprentice froze. Darth Vader’s helmet had been ripped away by the blast.
Beneath was the face of the man who had stolen and enslaved him, a pathetic, hairless thing covered in wrinkles and old scar tissue. Only the eyes showed the slightest signs of life: blue and full of pain, they stared up at him with undisguised weariness.
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Another staggering, painful step and the Emperor was within the apprentice’s reach. With shaking fingers, he took the old man’s bony shoulders in his hands and gripped them tight. The Sith lightning spread to engulf the two of them, fueled by both their desperations. The Emperor tipped back his head and howled in lascivious pain. Darkness threatened to envelop the apprentice’s mind, but he clutched to consciousness with feverish will. He had to see this through. He had to.
A squadron of stormtroopers ran into the room, led by a limping Darth Vader. They raised their blasters to gun down the Rebels as they fled up the Rogue Shadow’s ramp.
(ROTJ) Easily Vader’s most impressive willpower and pain tolerance feat. After being left completely powerless following his duel with Luke and the wounds and conflict it caused, he gathers so much power that he’s able to resist Sidious’ lightning and throw him down the reactor shaft. While Vader was heavily amped, he was also left virtually powerless before this, claiming to have been weaker than he’d ever been (which would include his burned up and mutilated state on Mustafar):
At that instant, Vader sprang up and grabbed the Emperor from behind, pinning Palpatine's upper arms to his torso. Weaker than he'd ever been, Vader had lain still these last few minutes, focusing his very fiber of being on this one, concentrated act—the only action possible; his last, if he failed. Ignoring pain, ignoring his shame and his weakness, ignoring the bone-crushing noise in his head, he focused solely and sightlessly on his will—his will to defeat the evil embodied in the Emperor.
Palpatine struggled in the grip of Vader's unfeeling embrace, his hands still shooting bolts of malign energy out in all directions. In his wild flailing, the lightning ripped across the room, tearing into Vader. The Dark Lord fell again, electric currents crackling down his helmet, over his cape, into his heart. Vader stumbled with his load to the middle of the bridge over the black chasm leading to the power core. He held the wailing despot high over his head, and with a final spasm of strength, hurled him into the abyss.
Palpatine's body, still spewing bolts of light, spun out of control, into the void, bouncing back and forth off the sides of the shaft as it fell. It disappeared at last; but then, a few seconds later, a distant explosion could be heard, far down at the core. A rush of air billowed out of the shaft, into the throne room. The wind whipped at Lord Vader's cape, as he staggered and collapsed toward the hole, trying to follow his master to the end. Luke crawled to his father's side, though, and pulled the Dark Lord away from the edge of the chasm, to safety.
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Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 17th 2019, 4:44 pm
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Thanks for reading.
- Spoiler:
(19 BBY) Kills 3 Jedi in a straight up duel, before being forced to adapt after his blade is disabled. He then falls to a combination of Tsui Choi and the other Jedi combining their efforts to even bring him to his knees, let alone defeat him:
According to Palpatine, Vader was also compromised by his emotions during this scene and was doing the in-universe equivalent of what we call jobbing:
(19 BBY) Toys with an assassin capable of wiping out entire groups of soldiers without a sound:
(ANH) Holds the upper hand against Ben Kenobi:
The two Galactic warriors stand perfectly still for a few moments, sizing each other up and waiting for the right moment. Ben seems to be under increasing pressure and strain,
as if an invisible weight were being placed upon him. He shakes his head and, blinking, tries to clear his eyes.
Ben makes a sudden lunge at the huge warrior but is checked by a lightning movement of The Sith. A masterful slash stroke by Vader is blocked by the old Jedi. Another of the Jedi's blows is blocked, then countered. Ben moves around the Dark Lord and starts backing into the massive starship hangar. The two powerful warriors stand motionless for a few moments with laser swords locked in mid-air, creating a low buzzing sound.
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Obi-Wan moved fast, lunging at Vader with his weapon, but the Dark Lord blocked the attack with ease. There was a loud electric crackle as their lightsabers made contact. Undeterred, Obi-Wan made a swift series of strikes, but each was parried by Vader. "Your powers are weak, old man," Vader said.
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Vader raised his weapon to attack, and Obi-Wan matched his pose.
"When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the Master."
"Only a master of evil, Darth." With that, Obi-Wan stepped in and cut.
Vader blocked the attack easily. Obi-Wan attacked again, and again, Vader blocked each strike.
If the old man thought he could rattle him by attacking instead of defending, he was mistaken. Vader riposted, sped up his timing, and took the initiative, forcing the erstwhile Jedi to defend.
He still had some skill, his old Master did, but he was out of practice. Vader could feel it through the Force.
Obi-Wan twirled and blocked a slash, then wove a defensive pattern with his blade. The Force was still with the old Jedi; he was able to anticipate Vader's strikes and block or parry them. But after a quick exchange, Vader felt the energy shift in his favor. "Your powers are weak, old man."
Vader knew that Obi-Wan was taunting him by using the Sith honorific, but he would not allow himself to be baited. Obi-Wan lunged again, attacking, but Vader was ready. Their sabers clashed, sparks spewed, the stink of ozone wafted over them, but Vader stood his ground. The blades slid along each other's length, then stopped, bound together in the magnetic handle guards, the men face-to-face.
Vader shoved, hard, and they broke the clash. Obi-Wan retreated a step.
Another exchange - four, five, six attacks and blocks - and Vader knew the old man was weakening. The Force might be strong in Obi-Wan, but the dark side was stronger in Vader. It let him anticipate his adversary's strikes and counter them almost before they began.
Obi-Wan knew it, too. He began a retreat, backing away, his lightsaber itself seeming weaker as he moved.
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Vader’s dreams also support this version of events, depicting Ben Kenobi as sweating and struggling to keep up:
It’s also worth mentioning that Vader was emotionally and mentally hindered, displaying fear of Obi-Wan and having several flashbacks to their duel on Mustafar:
There he was. After so much time and across so much space, the hooded figure of Obi-Wan Kenobi, his former Master and friend, stood right in front of him. He had aged; his face was lined, his beard white. It was impossible not to remember vividly the last time they had seen each other, when his Master had crippled him and left him to die on the fiery banks of a river of molten rock, light-years from here.
Now his anger smoldered in him like the banks of that coursing stream of lava. You should have killed me then, Obi-Wan.
Vader lit his lightsaber. The red beam crackled with power.
Obi-Wan had already known Vader was there, of course. The Force swirled about the two of them, forging a link impossible to miss.
Vader strode toward the old man. As he drew nearer, Obi-Wan ignited his own lightsaber. The blue gleam of the blade flashed brightly.
"I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete."
Vader raised his weapon to attack, and Obi-Wan matched his pose.
"When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the Master."
"Only a master of evil, Darth." With that, Obi-Wan stepped in and cut.
Vader blocked the attack easily. Obi-Wan attacked again, and again, Vader blocked each strike.
If the old man thought he could rattle him by attacking instead of defending, he was mistaken. Vader riposted, sped up his timing, and took the initiative, forcing the erstwhile Jedi to defend.
He still had some skill, his old Master did, but he was out of practice. Vader could feel it through the Force.
Obi-Wan twirled and blocked a slash, then wove a defensive pattern with his blade. The Force was still with the old Jedi; he was able to anticipate Vader's strikes and block or parry them. But after a quick exchange, Vader felt the energy shift in his favor. "Your powers are weak, old man."
There had always been in Vader a small bit of worry about this day. Not much; just a trace. He had been sure, in his youthful arrogance, that he had been stronger, had been better than the Jedi Knight who had been his teacher, and the memory of what Obi-Wan had done to him would never be erased. He had been a superior fighter even when he had been Anakin Skywalker, and yet Obi-Wan had defeated him.
Could he win now?
It was as if the old man could read his thoughts:
"You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
Vader knew that Obi-Wan was taunting him by using the Sith honorific, but he would not allow himself to be baited. Obi-Wan lunged again, attacking, but Vader was ready. Their sabers clashed, sparks spewed, the stink of ozone wafted over them, but Vader stood his ground. The blades slid along each other's length, then stopped, bound together in the magnetic handle guards, the men face-to-face.
Vader shoved, hard, and they broke the clash. Obi-Wan retreated a step.
Vader felt the fierce anticipation of victory pound in his heart. "You should not have come back," he told the old Jedi.
Another exchange-four, five, six attacks and blocks-and Vader knew the old man was weakening. The Force might be strong in Obi-Wan, but the dark side was stronger in Vader. It let him anticipate his adversary's strikes and counter them almost before they began.
Obi-Wan knew it, too. He began a retreat, backing away, his lightsaber itself seeming weaker as he moved.
Outmatches Luke in Empire Strikes Back. There’s a common misconception in this duel that Luke and Vader were fairly evenly matched based on a Lucas quote from the commentary (see below):
"In The Empire Strikes Back, it’s the first time that the antagonist and protagonist actually fight each other. So that it is a very big fight and Luke now has become proficient enough to be able to face Darth Vader. So it’s a slightly one-sided sword fight where Vader has the advantage over him. Luke didn’t know that Vader was his father for the fight part, so that what was happening was he though he was fighting his bitter enemy. So he was fighting as hard as he could; he was fighting the man who killed his father; fighting the man who killed Obi-Wan Kenobi; fighting the man who would personify evil in the universe. And then as we go on into the next fight, it becomes more of an equal confrontation. In the next one, the Return of the Jedi, he knew he was fighting his father. He knew that the Emperor was behind all this. And he knew the issues he was dealing with were much larger than just the sword fight. And so that sword fight really centered on the more emotional context the sword fight takes place in than the actual fight itself. That was the climax of the film rather than having it be a technological warfare, blow up the Death Star kind of thing, it was really more of a personal fight between a father and son."
However, this quote completely ignores the context of the scene:
“This fight goes through three different sets. One in the carbon freezing chamber, one down here below the carbon freezing chamber which allows us to go into this giant shaft that goes to the bottom of the city so now we have this giant shaft that gives us the chance to have these hanging in the abyss scenes but it also makes the situation much more threatening and the fight more interesting ‘cause they’re fighting over an infinite space and it just makes it more and more hopeless that Luke is going to get out of it, you know ‘cause he’s getting more and more trapped.”
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“I like this shot in particular. It’s a big, long wind shot…it stacks everything up. It makes Vader look huge, and Luke look very small, very weak and Vader very powerful. And this is where Vader reveals himself in terms of what his ambitions are, which is to have him join him to help overthrow the Emperor.”
Vader has no intention of killing Luke. In the freezing chamber, he was testing him, letting his son attack him and gain an advantage to test his abilities. As soon as Vader wants to end the duel, he continuously pushes Luke back and only tries to hurt him when Luke wounds his shoulder (corroborated by the film).
(ROTJ) Matches a rage-amped Luke while trying to goad him into killing him. As explained below, the fight has three stages. The first, they’re evenly matched when Luke is rage amped. The second, Vader has the edge as Luke refuses to fight. In the third, Luke goes into A Zonakin style mindset and trashes Vader:
Lucas is also vocal with the idea that Vader didn’t know that Sidious was trying to replace him:
Luke also noted that he could sense the conflict within Vader:
“Your thoughts betray you, Father. I feel the good in you. The conflict.”- ROTJ.
However, Luke utterly dominates Vader once he taps into his Zonakin style amp:
This, then, was Luke's breaking point. For Leia was everyone's last unflagging hope. If Vader turned his twisted, misguided cravings on her …
'Never!' he screamed. His lightsaber flew off Vader's belt into his own hand, igniting as it came to him. He rushed to his father with a frenzy he'd never known. Nor had Vader. The gladiators battled fiercely, sparks flying from the clash of their radiant weapons, but it was soon evident that the advantage was all Luke's. And he was pressing it. They locked swords, body to body. When Luke pushed Vader back to break the clinch, the Dark Lord hit his head on an over-hanging beam in the cramped space. He stumbled backward even farther, out of the low-hanging area. Luke pursued him relentlessly.
Blow upon blow, Luke forced Vader to retreat - back, onto the bridge that crossed the vast, seemingly bottomless shaft to the power core. Each stroke of Luke's saber pummeled Vader, like accusations, like screams, like shards of hate. The Dark Lord was driven to his knees. He raised his blade to block yet another onslaught - and Luke slashed Vader's right hand off at the wrist. The hand, along with bits of metal, wires, and electronic
devices, clattered uselessly away while Vader's lightsaber tumbled over the edge of the span, into the endless shaft below, without a trace.
Luke stared at his father's twitching, severed, mechanical hand - and then at his own black-gloved artificial part - and realized suddenly just how much he'd become like his father. Like the man he hated. Trembling, he stood above Vader, the point of his glowing blade at the Dark Lord's throat. He wanted to destroy this thing of Darkness, this thing that was once his father, this thing that was ... him.
Vader was completely unprepared for this ridiculously amped Luke, who easily beat him back and defeated them, despite the two being equals in sabers according to many different sources.
(19 BBY) Slaughters an entire group of traitorous Imperials:
(19 BBY) Blitzes and slaughters dozens of guerrilla fighters:
(TFU) Matches Galen blow for blow in sabers until Galen lands a strike on his throat, not only breaking his rhythm but also unbalancing him (which Galen gives him no time to recover from as he becomes enraged afterwards and severely wounds the unbalanced Vader):
The lightsabers flashed again—and it was the apprentice who found the chink in the armor that both of them had been waiting for. Vader’s lightsaber moved too slowly to block a blow to his chest, allowing the apprentice’s blade to slash deeply across his armored throat.
Vader staggered backward, gloved hand upraised to the smoking wound. There was no blood. Instead of pressing the attack, the apprentice stood his ground. Despite himself, he was as surprised as his former Master clearly was. For a moment, the only sounds were the twin humming of the lightsabers and the wheezing of Darth Vader’s respirator. Then the Dark Lord laughed. It was an awful sound, empty of humor and full of mockery. In it, the apprentice heard a decade and a half of torture and abuse. Anger flared. He lunged forward. His former Master barely blocked the blow. A second scored a deep wound across his black-clad shoulder. A third stabbed deep into his thigh. Darth Vader reeled backward, servos whining in his injured limbs and lightsaber shaking.
It’s worth mentioning that Galen was already stated to be faster than TFU Vader, so this isn’t him out duelling Vader:
The apprentice understood that, until this moment, they had never truly fought as equals. His Master had either held back, or he himself had capitulated. Now, for the first time, they would see each other's true potential. Where Darth Vader was strong and relentless, he was fast and sly.
(TFU 2) Outmatches SK in pure saber combat during their duel. SK has to use a lightning bolt to save himself and gain any sort of edge:
But the same was true in reverse. And when Vader forced Starkiller onto his back foot and raised his lightsaber to strike him down, Starkiller fired a lightning blast into the side of Vader's armor that was so concentrated, even the new insulation couldn't absorb it. The Dark Lord stiffened, betrayed by his extensive prosthetics. The distraction lasted only a moment, but it was enough. Starkiller knocked his blade out of the way and moved in to strike.
This also shows Vader’s growth both as a Force user and as a combatant, as SK himself notes:
He rolled and leapt, and came up swinging. Covered in blood - the blood of his fellow clones - and knowing Juno was close, he fought his former Master with single-minded focus. Vader was still testing him; he sensed that more and more keenly, with every passing moment, but to what purpose he still couldn't tell. Vader himself fought more cautiously than he had on the Death Star, the last time they had dueled in earnest. His armor seemed to have improved, too; it was less vulnerable to lightning than it had been just days before.Vader threw wrecked platforms and cloning rubes at him, while he scored three slashes to the Dark Lord's cape in return.
(19 BBY) Easily defeats a group of fighters and stomps a Jedi padawan:
(19 BBY) Quickly outduels and slices in half a Jedi master’s lightsaber, though it should be noted that he was aiming for the master’s hand:
(19 BBY) Easily dispatches two Tuk’ata Nobilis. Their dark-sided brethren have managed to prove a threat to the likes of Exar Kun and Revan in the past:
(0 ABY) Stomps a dark Jedi:
(19 BBY) Stomps a group of special ops Imperials when they ambush him in his quarters:
(18 BBY) Fights evenly with Roan Shryne, himself a master swordsman:
Lightsaber grasped in both hands, Vader took a single forward step and performed a lightning-fast underhand sweep that almost knocked Forte's lightsaber from Shryne's grip.Spinning, Shryne regained his balance and raced forward, feinting a diagonal slash from the left, then twisting the blade around to the right and surging forward. The blade might have gotten past Vader's guard, but instead it glanced off the back of his upraised left hand, smoke curling from the black glove. Shryne countered quickly with an upsweep to Vader's neck, but Vader spun to the right, his blade held straight out in front of him as he completed a circle, nearly cutting Shryne in half.
Folding himself at the waist, Shryne skittered backwards, parrying a rapid series of curt but powerful slashes. Backflipping out of range, he twisted his body to the right, set the blade over his right shoulder, and rushed forward, hammering away. Vader deflected the blows without altering his stance or giving ground, but in the process left his lower trunk and legs unprotected. In a blink Shryne dropped into a crouch and pivoted through a turn.
For an instant it seemed that the blade was going to pass clear through Vader's knees, but Vader leapt high, half twisting in midair and coming down behind Shryne. Shryne rolled as Vader's crimson shaft struck the floor at the spot he had just vacated. Scrambling to his feet, Shryne hurled himself forward, catching Vader in the right forearm. Snarling, Vader took his left hand from the lightsaber hilt to dampen the sparking at the site of what should have been a wound. Astonishment eclipsed Shryne's follow-up attack.
Vader was a good distance away, one hand and one knee pressed to the floor, his blade angled away from him. Slowly he stood to his full height, leaves falling around him, black cloak flapping in the downdrafts. Then, with determined strides, he advanced on Shryne, sweeping his blade from side to side. "I wouldn't have it any other way." Shryne took a quick look around.
With most of the tier behind him blown away, and gaping holes elsewhere, he began to back toward the hollowed trunk of the tree.
"Almost seems like your own people are trying to kill you, Vader," he said.
"Maybe they don't like the idea of a Sith influencing the Emperor."
Vader continued his resolute march. "Trust me, Shryne, the Emperor couldn't be more pleased."Shryne cast a quick glance over his shoulder. They were entering an enormous interior space of wooden ramps, walkways, bridges, and concourses. "He doesn't have enough experience with your kind."
"And you do?"
"Enough to know that you'll turn on him eventually." Vader loosed what could have been a laugh. "What makes you think the Emperor won't turn on me first?"
"Like he turned on the Jedi," Shryne said. "Although I suspect that was mostly your doing." Five meters away, Vader stopped short. "Mine?"
"You convinced him that with you by his side, he could get away with just about anything." Again, Vader's exhalation approximated a laugh. "It's thinking like that that blinded the Jedi to their fate." He raised his sword. "Now it's time for you to join them."
Vader closed the distance between them in a heartbeat, slashing left and right with potent vertical strokes, narrowly missing Shryne time and again, but destroying everything touched by the blade.
No whirling now; no windmilling or deft lunges. He simply used his bulk and size to remain wedded to the floor. It was an old style, the very opposite of what was said to have been Dooku's style, and Shryne had no defense against it. If I could see his face, his eyes, Shryne found time to think. If he could knock that outsize helmet from Vader's head.
If he could lance his lightsaber through the control panel on Vader's chest That was the key! That was the reason for Vader's antique style-to protect his center, as Grievous had been forced to do. If he could only get to that control panel...
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Shryne’s slashing strike to Vader’s lower left leg, owing as much to luck as to skill, released another shower of sparks.
Vader’s enraged response was Shryne’s only assurance that he was fighting a living being. Whatever had happened to Vader, by accident or volition, he had to be more flesh-and-blood than cyborg, or he wouldn’t have raged or been able to call on the Force with such intensity.
High up in the smoke-filled latticelike room, they stood facing each other on a suspension bridge that linked two fully enclosed walkways, the gloom cut by shafts of explosive light from the continuing attack on Kachirho.
Shryne’s determination to thrust his lightsaber into the control box Vader wore on his chest had forced the Sith to adopt a more defensive style that had left his limbs vulnerable. Throughout the fight that had taken them up the room’s wooden ramps, Vader had kept his crimson blade straight out in front of him, manipulating it deftly with wrists, elbows pressed tightly to his sides. Only when Shryne left him no choice did he shuffle his feet or leap.
“Artificial limbs and body armor seem a curious choice for a Sith,” Shryne said, poised for Vader’s riposte to his lucky strike. “Belittling to the dark side.”
Vader adjusted his grip on the sword and advanced. “No more than throwing in with smugglers denigrates the Force, Shryne.”
“Ah, but I saw the light. Maybe it’s time you did.”
“You have it backward.”
Shryne was steeling himself for a lunging attack when, abruptly, Vader halted and withdrew the blade into the lightsaber’s hilt.
Before Shryne could begin to make sense of it, he heard a creaking sound from below, and something flew at him from one of the ramps. Only a last-instant turn of his sword kept the object from striking him in the head.
It was a plank—ripped from a ramp they had taken to the bridge.
-- Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader
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As tenuous as his contact with the Force sometimes was, Shryne was still a master with a sword, and almost thirty years of training had honed his instincts and turned his body into an instrument of tremendous speed and power.
-- Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader
- ROTJ.
Thanks for reading.
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Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 18th 2019, 1:10 am
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Underachiever599
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 18th 2019, 3:40 am
In addition to this, don't forget when Vader was throwing ships around in the finale of The Last Jedi (the sequel novel to the Coruscant Nights trilogy). His whole fight with Jax is pretty impressive.
Vader also has at least one sorcery-related thing. He taught Kharys how to perform a Sith ritual that summoned "smoke demons." These smoke demons took on the form of their victim's greatest fears, much like Zannah's illusions. They also drained the victim's life and imprisoned their souls, apparently. (Man, old Marvel comics were weird. But hey, it all got made canon to Legends in later reference material. The smoke demon thing is actually brought up in Book of Sith).
Vader also has at least one sorcery-related thing. He taught Kharys how to perform a Sith ritual that summoned "smoke demons." These smoke demons took on the form of their victim's greatest fears, much like Zannah's illusions. They also drained the victim's life and imprisoned their souls, apparently. (Man, old Marvel comics were weird. But hey, it all got made canon to Legends in later reference material. The smoke demon thing is actually brought up in Book of Sith).
HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 18th 2019, 4:13 am
Nice job BoD, you are doing the Lord's work
ZenwolfLevel One
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 11:31 am
BreakofDawn wrote:Telekinesis
- Spoiler:
(19 BBY) Effortlessly manipulates an energy wave capable of disintegrating people after destabilising it by removing the focusing crystal that allows it to be aimed:
Said energy wave was also capable of slicing star destroyers in half when focused:
Completely forgot about this one TK feat, that's pretty impressive.
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 2:55 pm
@Zenwolf Also forgot to put that the unfocused beam could destroy a planet, yet Vader pretty easily manipulated it.
lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Three
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 2:58 pm
That's pretty damn good. When is that fear from again? Cuz if it's 19 or18 BBY prime Vader scales waaaaaaay above that
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 4:11 pm
@lorenzo.r.2nd 19 BBY. Same comic where Sidious repeatedly praised Vader's strength and power.
The Witness
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 4:25 pm
Nice, Vader is a beast and kark all the people who kriff on him for no reason
- ZenwolfLevel One
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 4:35 pm
BreakofDawn wrote:@Zenwolf Also forgot to put that the unfocused beam could destroy a planet, yet Vader pretty easily manipulated it.
Should probably add that in too. But yeah, Vader always seemed to have top tier TK. But then I guess that makes sense, since that is basically his bread and butter.
- lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Three
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 4:35 pm
man, that might be his best feat. My opinion of him just raised a lot lol what comic is that? if u havent read it fully yet, i might read it, to see what else is in there.
- ZenwolfLevel One
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 4:37 pm
lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:man, that might be his best feat. My opinion of him just raised a lot lol what comic is that? if u havent read it fully yet, i might read it, to see what else is in there.
It's from the Darth Vader and the Ninth Assassin series, it's a pretty short nice read imo. Only 5 issues.
- lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Three
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 4:38 pm
oh so its short huh. i might read it. thanks btw. than yall wanna me tell its wank that his later incarnations just more than just a little bit more powerful than dooku and people like that smh.
- lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Three
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 5:08 pm
hey, so there is a feat in which Vader seems to sense a bomb before sheev can sense it. idk if this was a test though, so im not sure of anything yet.
- lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Three
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 5:11 pm
oh, and apperently this after his senses are all being karked over.
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 5:12 pm
Vader was testing him. It's from the same comic above. I guess you could make a case that Sidious would have to keep enough of his defences up that Vader wouldn't think anything was up, but it still leaves the feat virtually unquantifiable.lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:hey, so there is a feat in which Vader seems to sense a bomb before sheev can sense it. idk if this was a test though, so im not sure of anything yet.
- lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Three
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 5:22 pm
its still a nice feat. he sensed literally the first 3 second he got into the room, before it blew up, while his senses were weakened. btw, why does it seem like this comic has all of vader's best feats lol
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 8:09 pm
Updated the Kessel bit: the three Jedi who ultimately brought down a heavily wounded and emotionally hindered Vader were all masters, not one master and two knights.
It also turns out that all but three of the Jedi there were masters. Bultar Swan (a padawan) was betrayed, the first to die was a knight, and another Vader cut down during the fight (the Nikto) was a knight as well. So Vader essentially bested 3 masters and 2 masters while hindered.
It also turns out that all but three of the Jedi there were masters. Bultar Swan (a padawan) was betrayed, the first to die was a knight, and another Vader cut down during the fight (the Nikto) was a knight as well. So Vader essentially bested 3 masters and 2 masters while hindered.
- ZenwolfLevel One
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 19th 2019, 8:15 pm
BreakofDawn wrote:Updated the Kessel bit: the three Jedi who ultimately brought down a heavily wounded and emotionally hindered Vader were all masters, not one master and two knights.
It also turns out that all but three of the Jedi there were masters. Bultar Swan (a padawan) was betrayed, the first to die was a knight, and another Vader cut down during the fight (the Nikto) was a knight as well. So Vader essentially bested 3 masters and 2 masters while hindered.
Pretty sure Sawn was a Knight too. But yes, it was all Masters and Knights. Even moreso, it's stated that those who survived Order 66 were stronger because of it...or something to that effect, I recall a quote on it.
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 20th 2019, 10:12 am
Will look for that quote, thanks.
- lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Three
Re: Darth Vader: A comprehensive respect thread
December 20th 2019, 3:30 pm
two of them jedi in there were actually pretty famous and skilled, iirc.
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