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The EllimistLevel Five
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 3:38 am
Many sources place ANH Vader above Mustafar Vader, and though there are conflicting sources on the matter, the ambiguity suggests that there are some reasonable definitions of terms like "powerful" and "stronger" that would favor ANH Vader. Pax Javon observed Vader moving faster than anyone he had ever seen except for Yoda, Nick thought Vader was far more powerful than Kar Vastor, and Vader in TFU ragdolled Kota who was near-evenly fighting early-game Galen. Vader stomps.
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SithSauceLevel One
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 4:06 am
Nick Gilliard?The Ellimist wrote:Many sources place ANH Vader above Mustafar Vader, and though there are conflicting sources on the matter, the ambiguity suggests that there are some reasonable definitions of terms like "powerful" and "stronger" that would favor ANH Vader. Pax Javon observed Vader moving faster than anyone he had ever seen except for Yoda, Nick thought Vader was far more powerful than Kar Vastor, and Vader in TFU ragdolled Kota who was near-evenly fighting early-game Galen. Vader stomps.
IGLevel Four
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 7:22 am
Well, scaling wise, we know that Meetra >> Malachor Tired Meetra > Malachor Traya >> Traya >>>>> Zez Kai Ell, Kavar, and Vrook Lamar, who are individually good enough to be > or >> Dark Bastila on the SF, who was enough to give KOTOR Revan a good fight, while also TKing massive doors shut. The idea that Revan’s power grew in the little time between fighting Bastila and Malak is utterly stupid. So, if Bastila is < KOTOR Revan, then she’s likely > Kun, who is above Vader via simple scaling.
MasterCilghalLevel Three
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 8:28 am
Vader is stated by George Lucas and Pablo Hidalgo to be, as of ESB, significantly weaker than his ROTS counterpart and is , imo, at best on par with Darth Maul. Although he has some great showings, there are also some anti-feats (e.g. Kuro and Kenobi). If i’m Being honest, the exile’s ability to defeat Traya empowered by the Trayus academy despite being less powerful impresses me more. I’ll see the arguments before coming to a decision.
- SithSauceLevel One
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 11:45 am
Kuro had an environmental advantage over Vader. It wasn't an anti feat
The LostLevel Five
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 11:57 am
Vader wins because he scales over The Son more than Meetra
BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 12:03 pm
Vader stomps. Kuro resorted to trickery and attacking Vader from behind to actually disarm him, and even then he had the upper hand.
KingofBladesLevel Three
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 12:09 pm
ILS wrote:Vader wins because he scales over The Son more than Meetra
HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 1:45 pm
Vader is stronger, faster, more powerful, skilled and knowledgeable than Meetra. Surik is only a counter pick for Nihilus, nothing else really. Also Surik and Scourge getting their asses kicked by Nyriss, who is nowhere near Vader level. Vader wins 11/10.
- IGLevel Four
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 1:47 pm
That’s a feat for Nyriss, not an anti feat tor Surik.
- HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 1:49 pm
Being unable to defeat a Sith Lord with the help of Scourge who got oneshot from Revan is an anti-feat tbh.
GuestGuest
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 2:01 pm
Plus, it was on an potent DS nexus.
- MasterCilghalLevel Three
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 2:13 pm
Nyriss was on an extremely powerful nexus.
NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 2:29 pm
Vader shit stomps.
- KingofBladesLevel Three
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 2:33 pm
Meetra was fodder compared to Revan Reborn. I might actually favor Vader here but it would be a good fight.
- HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 2:44 pm
The same nexus that should amp Scourge who helps Meetra.
- GuestGuest
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 2:48 pm
DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Vader shit stomps.
Why?
- NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 2:50 pm
His feats are flat out better.
- GuestGuest
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 3:10 pm
Which feats are "flat out better"?
- NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 3:12 pm
A better question would be: What does Meetra have that's worth a damn?
- MasterCilghalLevel Three
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 3:17 pm
Beating Traya on an incredibly powerful dark side nexus.
- NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: Darth Vader vs Meetra Surik
September 16th 2019, 3:27 pm
Traya was explicitly emphasised as more powerful, she just sucks as a combatant. Meetra doesn't have to be near Traya to not get outright ragdolled (As seen with multiple examples throughout the mythos) which is all she needs to then beat Traya in a fight due to her woeful combat skill. What can you do with this except put Meetra over some fodder masters, who themselves have no good feats? And why should it even allow her to compete with what Vader can bring to the table?
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