Starkiller vs. Vaylin

Who wins?

Vaylin handily

Vaylin.

Vaylin

Vaylin

Vaylin slaughters with the Force.

Starkiller

Starkiller.

SK.

So, Vaylin supporters care to give reasons for why she wins? I know I said Vaylin wins but I feel like playing devil's advocate for my boy Starkiller.

She's a fair bit more powerful in the Force and on top of that has saber skills comparable to both the Outlander and Arcann, even managing to stalemate the latter.

Plus you got SK getting thrown around by Vader all through both games tbh

@BreakofDawn

She's a fair bit more powerful in the Force and on top of that has saber skills comparable to both the Outlander and Arcann, even managing to stalemate the latter.

Mind substantiating why "she's a fair bit more powerful in the Force"?

As for her saber skills being comparable to The Outlander and Arcann I'm not convinced by that. How do we know she wasn't keeping up with Arcann through superior augmentation? And given that she hasn't shown herself to be particularly skilled in combat I'm willing to place a bet that both Arcann and The Outlander are more skilled than her and that this is indeed the case. Plus, once again there's no substantiation on why either is more or comparably impressive to 'Killer.

@Meatpants

Plus you got SK getting thrown around by Vader all through both games tbh

@NotAA3 Use this if you're gonna wank SK.

I prefer this tbh.

Poor cyborg

DarthAnt66 wrote:

Mind substantiating why "she's a fair bit more powerful in the Force"?

One-shotting characters of Arcann's level, being a near-equal of the Outlander in his prime, being feared by Valkorion to one day be comparable to him in raw power, her feats (e.g. ripping apart a building sized generator and using it as a projectile with little effort), the Nathema orbit feat, and so on.

As for her saber skills being comparable to The Outlander and Arcann I'm not convinced by that. How do we know she wasn't keeping up with Arcann through superior augmentation?

Between KOTFE chapter 8 and a few days or weeks before KOTET began, her skills as a duelist improved by a noticeable amount, enough for Senya to notice. She was also able to put Senya on the back foot multiple times during the fight before Senya began exploiting her anger and lack of emotional discipline. It's not really a stretch to say that between chapters 1 and 6 Vaylin's abilities with a saber continued to improve enough for her to go toe to toe with Arcann in actual saber combat if she grew from being bested by a massively holding back Senya to actually managing to put her on the back foot with pure skill and ferocity. Plus, the gap between Arcann and chained Vaylin doesn't appear to be that high, so I wouldn't say her augmentions would give her enough of an edge to go toe to toe with Arcann if she didn't have the skill to back it up. She might not be his equal, true, but she's fairly close. 

And given that she hasn't shown herself to be particularly skilled in combat

There's evidence to the contrary.
 

I'm willing to place a bet that both Arcann and The Outlander are more skilled than her and that this is indeed the case.

Which is fair, but she's shown this ability on more than one occasion, from pressing Senya to holding off Arcann to holding off Senya, Arcann and the prime Outlander (though of course this was with the help of skytroopers and horizon guard forces who could challenge early KOTET Outlander so it's not an individual feat for her). 

Plus, once again there's no substantiation on why either is more or comparably impressive to 'Killer.

The majority of Starkiller's lightsaber victories are against Jedi or Sith who aren't exactly the most skilled or renowned duellists of their time. For example, he bested a TFU Vader (who even by ANH was described as moving clumsily and roughly), stalemated a TFU II Vader, and beat Shaak Ti, Rahm Kota and Kazdan Paratus, none of whom are exactly high tiers in sabers. By contrast, Arcann has stomped entire groups of Jedi and Sith with his skill and physicals alone, and has fought very evenly and even had a slight advantage over the Outlander, whose duelling feats don't really need to be detailed. Either of them are very likely to be more skilled than SK.

...Is no one going to point out that SK used his lightsabers as a baseball bat there and then a second later was able to stab them through Vader's torso?

Ah, TFU. The beginning of the Vader disrespect train.

TFU is basically anime tbh.

Then you have the counter from Vader:
https://youtu.be/H7tVE8zISBc?t=379

Darth Vader: Redefining the meaning of "listen here you lil shit" since 2010.

He'd just exited Force Rage so he was drained of "huge amounts of energy". But context doesn't matter amirite?

BreakofDawn wrote:Then you have the counter from Vader:
https://youtu.be/H7tVE8zISBc?t=379

Darth Vader: Redefining the meaning of "listen here you lil shit" since 2010.

And then he proceeds to get TK'd again

And then he proceeds to get TK'd again

And that.