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The Adventurous Jedi
The Adventurous Jedi
Level Seven
Level Seven

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 1st 2019, 8:07 pm
Standard forum rules. Interested to see what the forum consensus given that I'm doing a SS on this topic.
NevesYtneves (DC77)
NevesYtneves (DC77)
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Level Seven

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 1st 2019, 8:12 pm
I'd be interested in hearing a case for Plagueis winning due to esoteric techniques such as MM but Starkiller has significantly greater feats and scaling in regards to pure raw power. For my money SK should win after a good fight.
PeraltaEagle45
PeraltaEagle45

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 1st 2019, 8:29 pm
Plagueis in a good fight.
The Reborn Emperor
The Reborn Emperor
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Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 1st 2019, 8:36 pm
Plagueis one-shots. Nor is SK on a significantly higher power level than P.
HeartoftheForce
HeartoftheForce
Level Two
Level Two

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 1st 2019, 10:11 pm
Depend on how far away you think Hego and RotS Sheev are
Master Azronger
Master Azronger
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Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 2nd 2019, 3:42 am
Plagueis
KingofBlades
KingofBlades
Level Three
Level Three

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 5th 2019, 6:43 pm
Plagueis stomps.
Jake
Jake
Level One
Level One

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 5th 2019, 10:50 pm
Galen
CuckedCurry
CuckedCurry
Level Four
Level Four

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 3:24 am
Plagueis ragdolls
The Adventurous Jedi
The Adventurous Jedi
Level Seven
Level Seven

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 6:18 am
KingofBlades
KingofBlades
Level Three
Level Three

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 10:50 am
RotS obiwan>/=Vader
Starkiller>/=Vader
Starkiller~RotS kenobi.
Plagueis~tpm sidious
Someone on tpm sidious's level is stomping an obiwan level opponent
NevesYtneves (DC77)
NevesYtneves (DC77)
Level Seven
Level Seven

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 10:57 am
Starkiller should win after a good struggle.
The Adventurous Jedi
The Adventurous Jedi
Level Seven
Level Seven

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 11:07 am
RotS obiwan>/=Vader

Agreed.

Starkiller>/=Vader

In their first fight Galen thrashed Vader with TK and in their second beat him while utterly exhausted. Vader doesn't even begin to compare to him.

Starkiller~RotS kenobi.

Yet to be proven.

Plagueis~tpm sidious
Someone on tpm sidious's level is stomping an obiwan level opponent

Agreed.

I have to say I agree with most of this though your chain falls apart because there isn't any evidence for the most important part that being Starkiller~Vader.
The Adventurous Jedi
The Adventurous Jedi
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Level Seven

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 11:09 am
@KingofBlades

Forgot to tag you. My response is written above.
KingofBlades
KingofBlades
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Level Three

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 11:52 am
Krayt Dies wrote:
RotS obiwan>/=Vader

Agreed.

Starkiller>/=Vader

In their first fight Galen thrashed Vader with TK and in their second beat him while utterly exhausted. Vader doesn't even begin to compare to him.

Starkiller~RotS kenobi.

Yet to be proven.

Plagueis~tpm sidious
Someone on tpm sidious's level is stomping an obiwan level opponent

Agreed.

I have to say I agree with most of this though your chain falls apart because there isn't any evidence for the most important part that being Starkiller~Vader.


Vader was holding back in the fight iirc. And Starkiller was fighting desperately to save Juno which could enhance his power.
The Reborn Emperor
The Reborn Emperor
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Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 12:33 pm
I too am not convinced of Starkiller’s superiority over Vader.
SithSauce
SithSauce
Level One
Level One

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 8:02 pm
Vader>ROTS Kenobi. Lol Kenobi isnt superior to him
The Adventurous Jedi
The Adventurous Jedi
Level Seven
Level Seven

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 8:16 pm
@KingofBlades

Vader was holding back in the fight iirc.

Which one? Anyway:

Fight 1:

"Lord Vader, deal with the boy. Properly, this time."

The Dark Lord was already moving. The red blade of his lightsaber flared into life, casting bloody shadows across the room. There was no discussion. He offered no threats. It was clear he intended only to complete what he had failed to finish on Corellia.

-TFU Novelization


Fight 2:

They fought like the Sith Lords of old, raging back and forth across the roof of the spire, uncaring what happened around them. Starkiller maintained his efforts to get to Juno, and Darth Vader did everything in his power to stop him.

-TFU 2 Novelization


I don't see a single reason to believe Vader was not holding back beyond speculation and conjecture when we have objective evidence stating he was going all out.

And Starkiller was fighting desperately to save Juno which could enhance his power.

To the point where it negated his prior exhaustion? Doubtful. And I'm also gonna need more evidence than "could" lol.


HeartoftheForce
HeartoftheForce
Level Two
Level Two

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 8:18 pm
Hego and SK both scale vastly down from the RotS titans. Depends which you think is worse, being around equal with Vader or slightly superior to TPM Sids.
The Adventurous Jedi
The Adventurous Jedi
Level Seven
Level Seven

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 8:21 pm
>Around equal to Vader.

>Overpowers him while on the verge of death.

Seems legit.
KingofBlades
KingofBlades
Level Three
Level Three

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 8:21 pm
@SithSauce wrote:Vader>ROTS Kenobi. Lol Kenobi isnt superior to him
Various sources have Ben Kenobi and ANH Vader being evenly matched on the death star along with that interview that said Lucas had Ben Kenobi> ESB Vader. While Vader may have had some power growth by RotJ, it is doubtful that said power growth was significant  since only 6 months pass. Coupled with the fact that Ben Kenobi was was weaker than his RotS incarnation, its pretty clear RotS obi wan is at least >/= and likely flat out >.


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HeartoftheForce
HeartoftheForce
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Level Two

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 8:22 pm
Never happened.
The Reborn Emperor
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Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 8:32 pm
I mean, TPM Sidious level ragdolls Vader imo
The Adventurous Jedi
The Adventurous Jedi
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Level Seven

Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 8:32 pm
The tips of his lightsabers shook. He had never felt so exhausted, at every level of his being.

-TFU 2 Novelization


---

And when Vader forced Starkiller onto his back foot and raised his lightsaber to strike him down, Starkiller fired a lightning blast into the side of Vader's armor that was so concentrated, even the new insulation couldn't absorb it. The Dark Lord stiffened, betrayed by his extensive prosthetics. The distraction lasted only a moment, but it was enough. Starkiller knocked his blade out of the way and moved in to strike.

-TFU 2 Novelization


Never happened amirite?
The Reborn Emperor
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Plagueis vs Starkiller Empty Re: Plagueis vs Starkiller

July 6th 2019, 8:33 pm
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