Rank these TOR and Banite characters

HellfireUnit wrote:Bane > Valkorion

Praxis wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:Bane > Valkorion

HellfireUnit wrote:Here is my shitty list.

DE Sidious > RotJ Sidious > RotS Sidious > Plagueis > TPM Sidious > Tenebrous > SoR Revan > Bane > Valkorion > SWTOR Vitiate > Revan Reborn > Novel Vitiate > SF Malak > KOTOR Revan > Vaylin> Arcann > Pre-Nathema Vitiate

KingofBlades wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:Here is my shitty list.

DE Sidious > RotJ Sidious > RotS Sidious > Plagueis > TPM Sidious > Tenebrous > SoR Revan > Bane > Valkorion > SWTOR Vitiate > Revan Reborn > Novel Vitiate > SF Malak > KOTOR Revan > Vaylin> Arcann > Pre-Nathema Vitiate

Aside from the many things wrong with this list, how could you possibly justify SF Malak >KotOR Revan?

HellfireUnit wrote:I don't think so. Being able to disturb the Force and cause chaining disasters is superior to anything Valk has ever done. He is faster, more skilled, stronger and possess more knowledge than Valkorion.

BreakofDawn wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:I don't think so. Being able to disturb the Force and cause chaining disasters is superior to anything Valk has ever done. He is faster, more skilled, stronger and possess more knowledge than Valkorion.

Valk’s death nearly knocked out Satele with the disturbance it created in the Force and is implied to have been felt by every living being in the galaxy with a connection to the Force who’d ever even sensed his presence, the latter feat occurring without him even actually being completely dead. As for being faster, Valk can slow his perception of time down to nearly a stop. He’s also more skilled with the Force, is more powerful by a fair margin and his knowledge rivals the most knowledgeable of the Jedi and  Sith.

HellfireUnit wrote:

BreakofDawn wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:I don't think so. Being able to disturb the Force and cause chaining disasters is superior to anything Valk has ever done. He is faster, more skilled, stronger and possess more knowledge than Valkorion.

Valk’s death nearly knocked out Satele with the disturbance it created in the Force and is implied to have been felt by every living being in the galaxy with a connection to the Force who’d ever even sensed his presence, the latter feat occurring without him even actually being completely dead. As for being faster, Valk can slow his perception of time down to nearly a stop. He’s also more skilled with the Force, is more powerful by a fair margin and his knowledge rivals the most knowledgeable of the Jedi and  Sith.

Plagueis was able to mask his presence from thousands of Jedi, which is a way better feat. Vitiate's plans were spotted by other Jedi prievously, Plagueis was in complete secret and noone including the most powerful Jedi lived up to that date Yoda has sensed it.

About slowing his perception, what makes you think that Valk can TP Plagueis? Valk failed to TP fodder characters. Can you compare Plagueis with them?

Also Valk isn't skilled with Force compared to Plagueis. Plagueis was already aware of existence of Vitiate and past Sith who came before. He discovered techniques that were not ever heard or used in the history of galaxy. Combined with previous Sith Lords' knowledge and his skill, he surpassed anyone who came before him. If Valk is skilled in one thing, it is sorcery.

By the way, Valk's knowledge being above of the Sith and Jedi of that era isn't impressive. The only worthy person that could match him was Revan. He lived way shorter, thousands years compared to Valkorion and achieved everything all by himself and didn't need the power of others to be powerful. This guy who lived few decades almost kiled the Emperor while weakened and drugged. Even Bane possess Revan and many others' knowledge. Plagueis gathered way more than Bane and made self discoveries. So I don't think Valk is any near Plagueis and would get blitzed by the Muun.

KingofBlades wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

BreakofDawn wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:I don't think so. Being able to disturb the Force and cause chaining disasters is superior to anything Valk has ever done. He is faster, more skilled, stronger and possess more knowledge than Valkorion.

Valk’s death nearly knocked out Satele with the disturbance it created in the Force and is implied to have been felt by every living being in the galaxy with a connection to the Force who’d ever even sensed his presence, the latter feat occurring without him even actually being completely dead. As for being faster, Valk can slow his perception of time down to nearly a stop. He’s also more skilled with the Force, is more powerful by a fair margin and his knowledge rivals the most knowledgeable of the Jedi and  Sith.

Plagueis was able to mask his presence from thousands of Jedi, which is a way better feat. Vitiate's plans were spotted by other Jedi prievously, Plagueis was in complete secret and noone including the most powerful Jedi lived up to that date Yoda has sensed it.

About slowing his perception, what makes you think that Valk can TP Plagueis? Valk failed to TP fodder characters. Can you compare Plagueis with them?

Also Valk isn't skilled with Force compared to Plagueis. Plagueis was already aware of existence of Vitiate and past Sith who came before. He discovered techniques that were not ever heard or used in the history of galaxy. Combined with previous Sith Lords' knowledge and his skill, he surpassed anyone who came before him. If Valk is skilled in one thing, it is sorcery.

By the way, Valk's knowledge being above of the Sith and Jedi of that era isn't impressive. The only worthy person that could match him was Revan. He lived way shorter, thousands years compared to Valkorion and achieved everything all by himself and didn't need the power of others to be powerful. This guy who lived few decades almost kiled the Emperor while weakened and drugged. Even Bane possess Revan and many others' knowledge. Plagueis gathered way more than Bane and made self discoveries. So I don't think Valk is any near Plagueis and would get blitzed by the Muun.

IIRC one of Vititate's voices was masquerading as a jedi master for decades. Just because Plagueis was aware of Vitiate's existence doesn't mean he had an idea of the knowledge he possessed. Much knowledge of the ancient sith was lost by Plagueis's time due to Darth Gravid. Which is why techniques like essence transfer were lost until they were rediscovered by Sidious. More importantly Vitiate never created a holocron to store his knowledge. So Plagueis has no idea what Vitiate knew.

Plagueis was able to mask his presence from thousands of Jedi, which is a way better feat. Vitiate's plans were spotted by other Jedi prievously, Plagueis was in complete secret and noone including the most powerful Jedi lived up to that date Yoda has sensed it.

About slowing his perception, what makes you think that Valk can TP Plagueis? Valk failed to TP fodder characters. Can you compare Plagueis with them? 

Also Valk isn't skilled with Force compared to Plagueis. Plagueis was already aware of existence of Vitiate and past Sith who came before. He discovered techniques that were not ever heard or used in the history of galaxy. Combined with previous Sith Lords' knowledge and his skill, he surpassed anyone who came before him. If Valk is skilled in one thing, it is sorcery.

By the way, Valk's knowledge being above of the Sith and Jedi of that era isn't impressive. The only worthy person that could match him was Revan. He lived way shorter, thousands years compared to Valkorion and achieved everything all by himself and didn't need the power of others to be powerful. This guy who lived few decades almost kiled the Emperor while weakened and drugged. Even Bane possess Revan and many others' knowledge. Plagueis gathered way more than Bane and made self discoveries. So I don't think Valk is any near Plagueis and would get blitzed by the Muun.