SS - Arena of the Unknowns: Thon (Darthor) vs Yarael Poof (XannotZan)

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THON

Commenting so I can promise myself I'll do this post tbh

_{"Thank you, Master. You have once again demonstrated that a lightsaber is not the only way to win a fight!"}




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TOTJ vs PT:

Just to set the stage of this debate, I want to start with some broad era comparisons between TOTJ and PT, as it is an argument that Xan will inevitably bring up. This section should successfully pre-empt any argument that is reliant on any general PT era hype.

TOTJ Supremacy Quotes:

The Jedi were noted to be at the "peak of their powers" during TOTJ:


The TOTJ Jedi were noted to be "in their prime", particularly "more so than the clone wars".


Note: Both of these quotes are from KOTOR Campaign Guide, but they both apply to TOTJ master. The context of the first quote is regarding Jedi Knights during the Great Sith War (link) and the second quote is in the context of all the Jedi in the campaign guide, which includes TOTJ in its scope (link).

This is supported in Star Wars Galaxy Magazine 8 where there was a comparison between TOTJ and PT where they were both "vibrant and strong" and Veitch states they are both the Jedi "in their prime":



In the opening crawls of the TOTJ comics, it was noted that they were at a period where the Jedi were "numerous and strong"


Which is supported by the Nexus of power sourcebook, which calls TOTJ the "once strong Jedi Order":


This is what the Power of the Jedi sourcebook says about the TOTJ councilors:

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There's honestly a lot more I can bring up, but these should suffice for now. I think the narrative is clear that the Jedi Order in TOTJ was absolutely supposed to be at it's strong point, being incredibly wise in the ways of the force. They're supposed to be an era where the Jedi are at their prime.  

PT Supremacy Quotes:
Obviously the same thing can be said about the PT. So my suggestion has always been that we neglect any marginal gap between one Jedi prime era and another. But I want to quickly take down the argument of Lucas supremacy first, which is the most common argument used to justify PT's vast supremacy to other eras.

Firstly, TOTJ was specifically noted to be given free reign of their materials as long as they align with the most basic concepts of the force. Given that LFL don't track power levels as canon (see section 1), there's no indication it is beholden to any Lucas supremacy:
_{Lucas said to make him a Dark Lord of the Sith; so then I had to ask what a Dark Lord of the Sith is. Tom Veitch and I gave him a two-page questionnaire about what Dark Lords of the Sith can or can't do and Lucas defined all the parameters for us. Gilman: I understand that Lucas, understandably, keeps a pretty tight rein on his properties. How does this impact on what you do? Anderson: He seems to be a fairly flexible with the Tales of the Jedi series, because it's 4,000 to 5,000 years before the movies. Tom Veitch and I have some incredible latitude on what we can do. As long as we remained true to the spirit of the Force and Jedi Knights and other established themes of the Star Wars universe, we could do mostly what we wanted.}

It's also noteworthy that it was stated "in his [Lucas'] mind, only the movies exist", so he would be talking about PT supremacy in a relatively move-centric theme. Given that LFL don't track power levels, and TOTJ wasn't beholden to PT supremacy, I see no reason to bind it over TOTJ. The rest of the PT supremacy quotes can be weighed at best as much as TOTJ quotes.
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Regardless of whether or not you buy this, I question the extent to which an era can scale above another in the first place. Even if we buy Lucas supremacy, how much can the PT be superior to another era called the "Jedi in their prime" or the Jedi "at the summit of their power"? I don't think the gap would be anything meaningful enough for Poof being on the council to provide any meaningful link over Thon.

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I'll discuss more about Thon's status in the TOTJ order if Xan brings up Poof's standings. Now that the basis of the era comparison is set, we can move on to other more meaningful links.

Thon's potency:

I'm sure this is pretty common knowledge but I want this on the record in this post so I can callback to it in my later posts.

Power:

Thon was compared with Yoda and Nomi Sunrider as "great masters":

_{"But the great Jedi, the Masters—Yoda and Thon and Nomi Sunrider—they could summon light, could make metal glow so that their puny little friends wouldn't stumble either."}

He possesses great skills with the force upon arriving at the praxeum of the Jedi:


He was so powerful as a combatant before even entering the Jedi Order that he TAUGHT powers to the Jedi masters of the assembly:
_{Interviews with other Jedi Masters have uncovered additional information that has further deepened the mystery surrounding this all-too-silent being. Appar- ently, Thon arrived on Ossus already possessing great skill as a Jedi. He even taught the assembled Masters several unknown powers, increasing their desire to know more about Thon's origins. Thon responded to their questions by saying in his deep, guttural voice, "It is better that you do not know - at least, not yet."}

Thon's performance against the pirate gangs on Ambria is incredibly potent. "With the unstoppable power of a storm" he "brings a quick end to the conflict" by "throwing off some kind of force field" and unleash(ing) powerful waves of force energy". He also deflected the pirate's salvo with "a force field that'd stop a sandcrawler (TOTJ Audio Drama)"

This is also reflected in the TOTJ Companion's description of their fight:
_{Thon's homestead, Bogga's minions engaged Oss and Thon in a fierce battle for the crystals. When Oss fell beneath the onslaught. Thon charged forward. throwing off a powerful field of Force energy that knocked the attackers back. Suddenly afraid of the ability possessed by this unexpected combatant. Bogga and his lackeys retreated and escaped on the Hutt's sail barge back to the Dreadnaught Enforcer One, which remained in orbit during the confrontation.}

Sources:
(1,2,3,4)

Thon was noted to have access to every Jedi Powers listed in TOTJ companion as well as many others undiscovered (link). For reference, these are the Jedi powers mentioned in TOTJ companion:

Physical Combat:

Thon's physical abilities is as potent as it is underrated. It is emphasized in multiple sources. For example, Power of the Jedi calls him one of the most advanced Jedi Masters (link) as well as giving him multiple stat blocks associated with combat:


Jedi Academy Training Manuel notes that he is "devoted to the martial sides" as well as being "respect(ed for) his abilities as a teacher and a warrior"



Hssiss Scaling:
In the Tales of the Jedi comic, Thon was shown killing a Hssiss with a single swipe of his claws:




This is also supported in the comic as combatants like Sylvar, who is by all intents and purposes far below Thon, is shown killing a Hssiss with a single strike (link).

But this is not the basis of this scaling. Thon was implied to have fought hordes of the beast, and won by driving them away from the Ambrian wastes:



To put the nail in the coffin, in TOTJ, it was further implied that Thon fought the Hssiss en masse... and also trapped them in the lake:

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Now that we have established all that, let's talk about the potency of the Hssiss. Not only did a single Hssiss nearly defeat Tionne Solusar, Kreia stated that they can "humble" midgame Exile:
_{"Hssiss are enough to humble even an arrogant one such as you. Test yourself if you must, but try not to die."}


This is supported by the KOTOR prima Guide who also implies that they are too much for midgame Exile (when she went to Korriban) and that she should avoid them:



Thon driving them away from the wastes and locking them in the waters of the lake is an extremely potent feat considering that a few of them is already enough to challenge midgame Exile.

Thon vs Yarael Poof Analysis:

In this section I'll be looking over Poof's feats and statements and pointing out why Thon would be an optimal choice in eliminating him.

Yarael Poof's Modus Operandi:

Let's stand this by emphasizing Poof's normal style. It is repeatedly stated in several sources that he strongly prefers using illusions and mind tricks at the start of a fight instead of going into any forms of a duel:

Mind trick (1,2,3).  As you can see from the scans, Poof prefers to use mind tricks to end conflicts instead of using sabers. This is also the same for illusions:

Illusions: (1,2,3,4).

Per his normal style, he would start this conflict with some illusions or trying to mind trick Thon.
So let's think about how effective these methods will be against a Thon charging who will kill him with sabers or his claws, or repel him with one of his powerful force waves:

Mind Tricks:

I think it is incredibly intuitive as to why mind-tricks wouldn't work on Thon. For one thing, the most prominent description of mind tricks all point to them working ONLY on weak-minded people:
_{“Padmé gave a helpless little laugh. “Are you going to use one of your Jedi mind tricks on me?”
“They only work on the weak-minded,” Anakin explained. “You are anything but weak-minded.” He ended with an innocent, wide-eyed look that Padmé simply could not resist.”}

This fits into the broader narrative from movies like ANH which all emphasize it working exclusively on the weak-minded. There probably are dozens maybe hundreds of more quotes on the matter but this should be enough. I know Xan is a huge believer in movie-supremacy so this should trump other arguments. But just to provide some examples of how hard it is to telepathically dominate a person. Cad Bane resisted the joint efforts of 3 very powerful Jedi masters (link). Countless other examples exist in the EU. Novel Vitiate being unable to dominate Revan despite being able to overpower him with lightning almost instantly (SWTOR: Revan). Wynn Dorvan resisted the telepathic domination of Abeloth (Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse), and Unuthul couldn't mentally dominate DN Jacen despite being capable of forcing Luke to root himself in the force to resist his TK (DN: Swarm Wars).

So would it work on Thon? Well if:
A) NFUs like Padme can resist mind-tricks
B) The gap needed for telepathic domination to take place is absolutely massive
C) Thon is also a master telepathy (being able to read Nomi's thoughts and telepathically communicate with her)

Then I highly doubt he will win this fight through Jedi mind tricks

Illusions:
Now this is trickier as Poof has both good feats and statements on illusions, and it is more combatively applicable than Jedi mind tricks. However it's still unlikely to work. I take your Yarael Poof and raise you Aleema Keto. Aleema's performances in illusions is probably far better than what Poof displayed, showing far better feats (over some vague quotes from IU commentary). Aleema was able to continuously use beast like illusions to drive men mad (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9), as well as using illusions to create capital ships (1,2). She has a lot more illusion feats, like using it to subjugate the Tetan systems. I don't think Poof has shown enough to place himself on her level, nevermind above. Now that we have this established, we have Nomi Sunrider, who is capable of using BM to not only destroy her illusions (link) but also use battle meditation to not only destroy Aleema's illusions but also PROBE HER MIND. Note that this is an Aleema who was AMPED by a meditation chamber (1,2).

So now that we know:
A) Battle Meditation can destroy illusions
B) Battle Meditation can probe the minds of creator of illusions
C) Nomi was capable of doing this to a telepath who is AT LEAST on Poof's level

The same Nomi who after all this came to Thon for additional trainings:


Thon was noted to "excel" at battle meditation and was listed with Nomi and Arca:


And was noted alongside them as "some of the greatest practitioners" of the technique:


Odan urr, the creator of the technique, also notes that he is good at it (despite Arca being better):


He also largely taught the technique to Nomi (who is possibly the greatest user of the technique of all time. So illusions likely wouldn't work either.

Ambria vs Infant of Shaa:

I saved the Elephant in the room for last. The 2 most infamous feats of both characters. It would be a crime if they are not analyzed.

Infant of Shaa

I am a strong believer that this feat is far less impressive than it is commonly made out to be. Let's first make sure the foundation is known that the energy release of the Infant of Shaa by itself is not enough (or far from enough) to destroy Coruscant, but instead the fact that it can trigger a chain reaction starting from the planet's core (which is where they planted the bomb):


This balancer is crucial. Now let's look at the feat itself. There is only one quote from Factfiles that states that he actually absorbed the energy of the device:


But this isn't what's shown in the comic:



This is backed by by another OOU quote that states that he merely deactivated the device (this quote is more canonical than factfiles which are written IU):


So this feat is very nebulous at best. If the device exploded, it would cause a chain reaction that eventually destroys a planet. Poof merely bound the energies together and deactivated the device. He didn't contain the energy that exploded (it didn't explode) but even if it did it isn't planetary. Let's compare this to Ambria:

Ambria:

Ambria is one of the most potent portrayal of power in the entirety of Star Wars mythos. The energy contained by Thon has 2 parts (ignoring Hssiss which the comic also implies he contained). The first of which are the Sith spirits that came to the planet:


Notice how the same text also states that Thon "easily repels" these spirits. Now how powerful were the spirits? They were stated as powerful enough to threaten a sector:


The spirits were powerful enough that they "threatened to consume an entire sector". Given the context of the quote:


It was likely a reference to the stenness nodes, which is a "cluster of mining systems". Essentially, Thon managed to "easily repel" and then "trap" dark spirits that "threatened to consume an entire sector". But this is just the first part of the feat.

There is also the remaining dark side energy of the ritual that killed every life on the planet as well as being noted to be the strongest DS release on the Jedi records (which included Naga Sadow's release that destroyed the denarii system, as well as Ku'ar Danar's release that moved planets):


I think both of these release are individually more powerful than the potential chain reaction that the Infant of Shaa can create. One of them threatened to consume a sector while the other scales beyond the DS energy needed to destroy stars and move planets. Now Thon not only bound them with WoL, but also keeps them prisoner with his power (link). But moreover, he also managed to make the planet a LS nexus aside from the lake (where he trapped the spirits):
_{“ In return, she had witnessed scenes plucked from the planet's history: the Sith sorceress as she was consumed by her failed spell; the Jedi Master's struggle to trap the dark side in Lake Natth.
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“the Huntress could feel this was a place of power: a nexus for both the light and dark sides of the Force.”}

For a more detailed breakdown of the feat, check out my debate with Vaelias (link). I think Ambria is certainly far more impressive than the infant of Shaa, but the more important thing is:

Yarael Poof died
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Now there are other factors involved in these feats that make them far too nebulous to be used as hard binding scales, but it is a great indicator for Thon. If these feats are brought up they will only cement Thon's supremacy.

Conclusion:

Honestly the post is short and concise enough for it to not warrant a TLDR. The winner of this fight should clearly be:


THON THON THON THON THON THON THON

And DEFINITELY not this clown who got deleted from the movies:


Thanks for reading. And Vote for THON.
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On Supremacy

Darthor wrote:Given that LFL don't track power levels, and TOTJ wasn't beholden to PT supremacy, I see no reason to bind it over TOTJ.

I'd like to start by first addressing this one sentence. TotJ was obviously not beholden to PT supremacy when it was written; the PT didn't even exist back then. It is entirely pointless to invoke the Kevin J. Anders quote to say TotJ isn't bound by PT supremacy quotes. LFL not tracking power levels means no Star Wars content is inherently beholden to any power level quotes or statements, which is exactly why we have CC to act as the arbiter of what is most likely to be the truth in Star Wars. Presumably, you endorse CC as a valid methodology, seeing as you cite it in your post. That being said, let's look Darthor's quote in context.

Darthor wrote:It's also noteworthy that it was stated "in his [Lucas'] mind, only the movies exist", so he would be talking about PT supremacy in a relatively move-centric theme. Given that LFL don't track power levels, and TOTJ wasn't beholden to PT supremacy, I see no reason to bind it over TOTJ. The rest of the PT supremacy quotes can be weighed at best as much as TOTJ quotes.

CC is specifically designed to overcome the problem of LFL not tracking power levels, and it doesn't do so by automatically assigning equal weight to quotes LFL doesn't track, which would again be any and all power level quotes. Such a methodology would have non-movie centric cereal box quotes weighed equally with Lucas quotes, which is not at all how LFL weighs Lucas' opinion. CC details the 5 key considerations of LFL's decision making process with respect to canonicity: Recency, Frequency, Visibility, Coolness, and Officiality.

Recency: The entire point of the recency consideration is to say that old quotes don't bind new material. The Star Wars Galaxy Magazine 8 quote, released in 1996, wouldn't have much, if any, authority over the PT. You can see how this would work the other way, in the PT's favor. The KOTOR campaign guide is admittedly more recent than the final move of the PT, but it falls to G-canon for other considerations.

Frequency: I don't know if Darthor wants to go scan for scan and compare the sheer number of quotes? Regardless, it is quite difficult for me to imagine that there are more sources affirming TotJ supremacy than PT supremacy.

Visibility: The movies are obviously more visible than TotJ. It should follow that movie quotes are more visible than TotJ quotes. The number of people willing to take the time and do the research to find these quotes should scale up with the number of fans for that particular media. Furthermore, people who are fans of TotJ are very likely fans of the PT, meaning the average TotJ fan who invests time into looking for these supremacy quotes has likely also spent time looking for PT supremacy quotes.

Coolness: Coolness is quite subjective, so we'll leave it at that. However, I can think of potential ways to exploit this pillar, and I reserve the right to bring them up later, should I feel like it.

Officiality: The final nail in the coffin for TotJ supremacy, the very thing that makes G-canon, G-canon. Even if TotJ was given largely free reign, LFL would still not weigh Veitch's opinion on Star Wars the same as Lucas'. Veitch's opinion might (and honestly, I'm only saying "might" to throw Veitch a bone here) be considered more on topics relevant to his works, but this doesn't extend to other pieces of Star Wars media or other topics, and certainly not the ones involving Lucas' work. Its true that in Lucas' head, he is only speaking to his movies and his Star Wars, but the point of G-canons existence in the EU is to give Lucas' words and ideas supreme authority over others, because it is his work that forms the bedrock of the EU. PT supremacy quotes pass the three considerations Chee lays out here, meaning the general claim of "things that come from the films and from George usually take a higher priority than other sources" holds in this case. This applies to both Veitch's word and the material in the KOTOR campaign guide.

There are an additional three principles that comprise the consideration temple of LFL fact. However, all I had set out to do in the above section was to establish that my opponent's method of weighing is not at all aligned with what CC proposes, which is derived from LFL's own considerations.  Unless Darthor somehow thinks that the additional three principles weigh in his favor, PT supremacy being "weighed at best as much as TOTJ quotes" does not stand.

Darthor wrote:Regardless of whether or not you buy this, I question the extent to which an era can scale above another in the first place. Even if we buy Lucas supremacy, how much can the PT be superior to another era called the "Jedi in their prime" or the Jedi "at the summit of their power"? I don't think the gap would be anything meaningful enough for Poof being on the council to provide any meaningful link over Thon.

The best of the best era would be above the best of a lesser era. Consider that the PT Jedi are explicitly the product of a Jedi order geared toward war and combat (per the RotS novel, quote can be provided if needed), whereas TotJ Jedi are more like OT Jedi and geared toward passiveness and knowledge (out of necessity, since TotJ Jedi could only have been modeled after the OT philosophy). Of course, this does not mean TotJ can't have great fighters, but you would expect a warrior to fight better than a monk.

On Yarael Poof

Mind Tricks

Darthor makes a mistake in attempting to detach mind tricks from illusions — they are of the same ability, affect mind.

Jedi vs Sith: Essential Guide to the Force wrote:Essentially, this power -- referred to by Jedi as affect mind and alter mind, but popularly known as Jedi mind tricks -- utilizes a combination of receptive empathy, projective empathy, and hypnosis. Jedi mind tricks can stop the understanding of what’s really happening by blocking the senses, and can also obliterate memories altogether or even replace them with false ones… The Jedi Master Yarael Poof was a consummate illusionist, reportedly capable of making himself invisible to fellow Jedi. He was also able to quickly determine an opponent’s fears through the use of the Force, and could create illusions that were perceived by entire armies. In several instances, his projected mind tricks prompted quick ends to battles.

Indeed, Poof is explicitly stated to be capable of using mind tricks/affect mind on his “fellow Jedi” and colleagues. As Poof was a council member, these fellow Jedi likely refer to other council members, and at the very least, other Jedi masters. Taken literally, Poof should be able to make himself invisible to the likes of Yoda. At the very least, this is evidence that Poof’s abilities do work on force users. Furthermore, the abilities attributed to Poof (invisibility and illusions) vastly outstrip the level of Jedi mind tricks shown in the movie. I find it plausible that the consummate master of this ability, who has spent his entire life perfecting it, would not be limited by the shortcomings of lesser practitioners. So with respect to Darthor’s point here,

Darthor wrote:This fits into the broader narrative from movies like ANH which all emphasize it working exclusively on the weak-minded. There probably are dozens maybe hundreds of more quotes on the matter but this should be enough. I know Xan is a huge believer in movie-supremacy so this should trump other arguments.

…, I see no reason why “weak-minded” couldn’t be gauged relative to the caster of the mind trick or the potency of it. It seems only natural that the applicable range of an ability would increase with the skill of the practitioner.

Darthor wrote:But just to provide some examples of how hard it is to telepathically dominate a person. Cad Bane resisted the joint efforts of 3 very powerful Jedi masters (link). Countless other examples exist in the EU. Novel Vitiate being unable to dominate Revan despite being able to overpower him with lightning almost instantly (SWTOR: Revan). Wynn Dorvan resisted the telepathic domination of Abeloth (Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse), and Unuthul couldn't mentally dominate DN Jacen despite being capable of forcing Luke to root himself in the force to resist his TK (DN: Swarm Wars).

Affect mind‘s potency doesn’t necessarily scale with the raw power more than skill. Yarael Poof is a powerful Jedi (1, 2), but it is largely his standing as the “consummate master” of affect mind that sets him apart. Consummate refers to skill and training, which are reflected by Obi-Wan’s title as the consummate hero (despite being less powerful than Yoda or Anakin) and Dooku’s title as a consummate duelist (again despite being less powerful than Yoda or Anakin).

Star Wars SAGA Series #27: Count Dooku, Dark Lord wrote:Count Dooku is a disillusioned former Jedi Knight who lost faith in the Republic and abandoned the Jedi Order. Dooku spent ten years in seclusion honing his Force abilities - and - as a master of the old style of fencing - wields his scimitar-handled lightsaber with consummate grace.

Labyrinth of Evil wrote:It must have been difficult for him to have served under a methodical master such as Dooku, consummate planner, consummate duelist.

Justin Lambros wrote:Obi-Wan, on the other hand, is the consummate hero. It's his speed, precision, and unshakeable focus that allow him to handle challenges that Jedi more powerful than him could never face.

Yarael Poof is also straight up better than Mace when it comes to "mental abilities", and Mace says Poof has greater wisdom in this area, implying this related to experience, knowledge, and practice more than it is power.


- Star Wars: Zam Wesell

Affect mind is further noted to be a power that bridges the three central skills of Jedi force powers: Control, Sense, and Alter.

Jedi vs Sith: Essential Guide to the Force wrote:The Jedi regard their skills as rooted in three areas: Control, Sense, and Alter.

Jedi vs Sith: Essential Guide to the Force wrote:The power known as Alter Mind bridges all these skill areas. Through it a Jedi can project her perception of reality into the mind of another, or an illusion or conclusion that she needs the other to hold as true. This is a most magnificent and useful power, but it is also one fraught with danger.

Note that this has massive implications for Yarael Poof. Poof is the consummate master of the power that bridges all areas, meaning his proficiency with each skillset ought to be extremely high. And since these skillsets from the basis of force powers, Poof ought to generally be extremely skilled. Indeed, Poof is capable of healing himself from a stab to (or at least next to) one of his brains (many thanks to Ghost of Grievous for providing these scans in his Yarael Poof RT).


- Galactic Files


- Star Wars: Zam Wesell


- Fact File 106

And note that Yarael Poof would obviously be weakened in such a state, and can still heal himself from a fatal injury. Even Zam Wesell knows this to be true.


- Star Wars: Zam Wesell

Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself. Moreover, Poof is incredibly talented in a power he doesn't even specialize in, and one that is explicitly rare.

Jedi vs Sith: Essential Guide to the Force wrote:As with other Force powers, some Jedi have a natural ability as healers; such Jedi have never been common, and their kindred guard them carefully.

And to tie it all together, Force healing is listed as one of the powers that Control, Sense, and Alter form the basis of.


- Jedi vs Sith: Essential Guide to the Force

Poof is predominantly wanked for his skill, and his force healing are further evidence of that. We should conclude that it is Poof's skill and mastery that give him supremacy in affect mind where more powerful Jedi (Mace) falter. As such, the comparisons of power that Darthor invokes aren't very relevant, leaving it very plausible that affect mind's potency scales up with skill more so than power.

Darthor wrote:So would it work on Thon? Well if:
A) NFUs like Padme can resist mind-tricks
B) The gap needed for telepathic domination to take place is absolutely massive
C) Thon is also a master telepathy (being able to read Nomi's thoughts and telepathically communicate with her)

On point C, the Essential Guide to the Force makes a clear distinction between telepathic powers and affect mind (see above list of Force powers). Darthor does not explain how the telepathic abilities could negate attempts at mind tricks. I somewhat doubt that Saesee Tiin, a member of the B-team and notably a telepath, could negate Poof's mind tricks.

Illusions

Darthor wrote:I take your Yarael Poof and raise you Aleema Keto.

:ValkTweak:

I take your Aleema Keto and raise you... NAGA SADOW!!!!!

Jedi vs Sith: Essential Guide to the Force wrote:After much blood had been spilled, we realized that our enemy had been using illusions conjured by Naga Sadow to make themselves appear innumerable, which they were not. The battle turned in our favor, and the Sith retreated whence they came.

Naga Sadow's illusions are literally taking on the Jedi Order. And Poof is put > Naga Sadow in the very same book (see above). That is further proof that affect mind works on Force Users, btw. Importantly, I am extremely dubious of any claim that would attempt to put Aleema Keto above a Dark Lord of the Sith. Note that the very scan Darthor provides says Keto's illusions are "little help". Contrary to this, Sadow's illusions are the deciding factor in the battle between the Sith and the Jedi Order.

Darthor wrote:So now that we know:
A) Battle Meditation can destroy illusions
B) Battle Meditation can probe the minds of creator of illusions
C) Nomi was capable of doing this to a telepath who is AT LEAST on Poof's level

Since the connection for Thon being able to delete illusions stems from Nomi > Keto >= Poof, and I have elaborated why Keto >= Poof is nonsensical, Darthor has provided no reason to believe that Thon could overcome the illusions of someone as skilled and developed as MASTER YARAEL POOF!!!!! Illusions are also not the only powers of affect mind; how does Thon stop Poof from becoming invisible (note that Nomi only dispelled visible illusions), or blinding him (affect mind can block the senses), or obliterating Thon's memories. There is little doubt in my mind that Poof's abilities would work on the likes of Thon. In fact, there is no precedent for Poof's illusions to ever fail, unlike Naga Sadow and Aleema Keto. What we DO know is that Poof can use his abilities on his fellow Jedi and colleagues (again, more than likely this includes fellow council members), that he is > Naga Sadow who can make his forces appear "innumerable" to take on the Jedi Order, and that he is the consummate master of the ability that bridges the three aspects of force powers.

On The Infant and Ambria

I don't have anything to say on Darthor's section here. Not only do I agree that the Infant of Shaa feat is very vague, it also just isn't how Poof would go about fighting Thon. He would rely on his affect mind abilities, which I have already established to not be something that requires greater power, only greater skill. The comparison here isn't relevant to the argument I'm leaning on.

Conclusion

If Darthor doesn't need to provide a conclusion, neither do I.

Thon dies.