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VictreebelVictr
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Force Push=Power? Empty Force Push=Power?

on December 17th 2020, 12:17 pm
Recently, I have been analyzing Bastila Shan's power, and apparently she force pushed Revan and Co on Rakata Prime.

It seems that some people take this as a display of power, but how?

If one force pushed a powerful force user who didn't see it coming and didn't have the opportunity to brace for it, how is this feat significant?

Same with Kreia force pushing Vrook, Zez, and Kavar. I don't remember any of them putting up force shields, so how is that such a good feat?
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on December 17th 2020, 12:26 pm
It's not? Who's saying that? At best it's breaking through their passive Force shields, but those are pretty minimal to begin with. It is impressive however she completely tore through their defenses and drained them when they were ready, but before that her pushing them away when they were surprised means nothing.
VictreebelVictr
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on December 17th 2020, 1:37 pm
Force users have passive shields?
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on December 17th 2020, 2:12 pm
@VictreebelVictr wrote:Force users have passive shields?

In  Legends Continuity? Yes it's a thing. Kinda like a Knight with plate armor, the plate armor is the Force Shield they can bring up, but underneath is a lesser form of protective armor IE: Arming doublet(in this case passive Force shields), not quite as protective but could still protect from harm.
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on December 17th 2020, 2:15 pm
@Zenwolf wrote:
@VictreebelVictr wrote:Force users have passive shields?

In  Legends Continuity? Yes it's a thing. Kinda like a Knight with plate armor, the plate armor is the Force Shield they can bring up, but underneath is a lesser form of protective armor IE: Arming doublet(in this case passive Force shields), not quite as protective but could still protect from harm.
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VictreebelVictr
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on December 17th 2020, 2:17 pm
So the stronger the force user, the stronger the passive shield?

But the passive shield is like a much weaker version of a prepared force barrier?

Gotcha. Thanks for the help. Force Push=Power? 228124001
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on December 17th 2020, 2:24 pm
@VictreebelVictr wrote:So the stronger the force user, the stronger the passive shield?

But the passive shield is like a much weaker version of a prepared force barrier?

Gotcha. Thanks for the help. Force Push=Power? 228124001

Pretty much yeah, you're welcome.
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on December 17th 2020, 2:26 pm
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@Zenwolf wrote:
@VictreebelVictr wrote:So the stronger the force user, the stronger the passive shield?

But the passive shield is like a much weaker version of a prepared force barrier?

Gotcha. Thanks for the help. Force Push=Power? 228124001

Pretty much yeah, you're welcome.
wouldnt experience and skill have some sort of effect here?
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on December 17th 2020, 2:41 pm
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@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:
@Zenwolf wrote:
@VictreebelVictr wrote:So the stronger the force user, the stronger the passive shield?

But the passive shield is like a much weaker version of a prepared force barrier?

Gotcha. Thanks for the help. Force Push=Power? 228124001

Pretty much yeah, you're welcome.
wouldnt experience and skill have some sort of effect here?

With forming a Force Barrier? Yes. A passive Force Barrier? Probably not, since it's something really mundane that pretty much any Force User has.
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on December 17th 2020, 9:27 pm
@VictreebelVictr: You can generally judge the significance of a feat through impact. Because of the nature of active application vs a passive barrier someone is always going to get knocked about by a force push unless they block it with an active defence. What determines whether the push matters is whether it KO's them (which indicates superiority), because rather than the passive barrier acting as a cushion to prevent a knock out it's being straight up rendered useless. You can also draw comparisons between whether an immediate or prolonged recovery time is necessary etc etc. All depends on the context whether it's a viable display of power.
VictreebelVictr
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on December 17th 2020, 11:58 pm
In any case, should I takeShan's Revan + Co force push feat not too seriously?
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on December 18th 2020, 7:43 am
Like, DC said, you can sometimes gauge parity or superiority depending on how well the Passive Barrier did its job at cushioning the effect - its intended purpose. Moreover, you can also argue that X character is more skilled and faster than Y character if they can continually exploit lapses in their opponents' defences. However, if the most X character accomplishes is flooring Y character for a second with a Force Push, without doing it again, then it's probably not indicative of much.
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