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BreakofDawn
BreakofDawn
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December 13th 2020, 12:46 pm
"Made an excuse".

Replies 3 times before saying he's done with WoTs (the latest of which is 3,496 words - longer than most university summatives and 1/3 of the size of a thesis/dissertation) and explains why.

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S_W_LeGenD
S_W_LeGenD

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December 13th 2020, 12:48 pm
@BreakofDawn wrote:"Made an excuse".

Replies 3 times before saying he's done with WoTs (the latest of which is 3,496 words - longer than most university summatives and 1/3 of the size of a thesis/dissertation) and explains why.

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FYI: https://www.cambridgestudents.cam.ac.uk/your-course/examinations/graduate-exam-information/submitting-and-examination/phd-msc-mlitt/word
S_W_LeGenD
S_W_LeGenD

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December 13th 2020, 12:50 pm
@BreakofDawn wrote:"Made an excuse".

Replies 3 times before saying he's done with WoTs (the latest of which is 3,496 words - longer than most university summatives and 1/3 of the size of a thesis/dissertation) and explains why.

Valkorion vs Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious  - Page 5 1668617588

FYI: https://www.cambridgestudents.cam.ac.uk/your-course/examinations/graduate-exam-information/submitting-and-examination/phd-msc-mlitt/word

You sure you have written a thesis in your life?

PhD thesis = 80,000 words count
Master thesis = 60,000 words count
BreakofDawn
BreakofDawn
Level Seven
Level Seven

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December 13th 2020, 12:53 pm
@S_W_LeGenD wrote:
@BreakofDawn wrote:"Made an excuse".

Replies 3 times before saying he's done with WoTs (the latest of which is 3,496 words - longer than most university summatives and 1/3 of the size of a thesis/dissertation) and explains why.

Valkorion vs Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious  - Page 5 1668617588

FYI: https://www.cambridgestudents.cam.ac.uk/your-course/examinations/graduate-exam-information/submitting-and-examination/phd-msc-mlitt/word

You sure you have written a thesis in your life?

PhD thesis = 80,000 words count
Master thesis = 60,000 words count

I used the term interchangeably - a mistake on my part - hence why I also mentioned a "dissertation", which averages around 10,000 words. Please do not patronise me.
DarthAnt66
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December 13th 2020, 1:19 pm
Please shift the discussion back on topic. Thank you
Seturna
Seturna
Level One
Level One

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December 13th 2020, 2:08 pm
Sidious solos.
CuckedCurry
CuckedCurry
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December 13th 2020, 3:07 pm
@Seturna wrote:Sidious solos.
Shimrra
Shimrra

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December 13th 2020, 7:49 pm
@CuckedCurry wrote:
@Seturna wrote:Sidious solos.
Latham2000
Latham2000
Level Three
Level Three

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December 14th 2020, 5:29 am
@Shimrra wrote:
@CuckedCurry wrote:
@Seturna wrote:Sidious solos.
HellfireUnit
HellfireUnit
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Level Six

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December 14th 2020, 9:05 am
Make it ROTJ Luke and 17 yo Sheev and Valk might have a chance to win
Primarch
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December 14th 2020, 9:54 am
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Haha funny
Vaelias
Vaelias

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December 14th 2020, 12:03 pm
SHEEV SOLOS
VictreebelVictr
VictreebelVictr

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December 14th 2020, 2:30 pm
Either members of the team solos.
S_W_LeGenD
S_W_LeGenD

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December 14th 2020, 4:58 pm
@VictreebelVictr wrote:Either members of the team solos.

It is important to understand the contents. This thread does not suggest a clash with a physical HOST (VOICE) but Valkorion's immortal essence as of the Echoes of Oblivion. The essence have 3 Forms in total which in turn can manifest individually and collectively, can summon shadow ghouls, and can separate the two to tackle individually. Each may then have to cope with powers of the Tenebrae Form, the Sith Emperor Form, and also the Valkorion Form with the added caveat of shadow ghouls in the mix. Under these circumstances, each team member will be overwhelmed unless there are spirits that can help either get through while separated. It took a large group of some of the most powerful Force-users in history in their collective oneness moment as well as countless spirits joining them to rout Valkorion's immortal essence as a whole in the end. This was a battle with the IMMORTALITY aspect of Valkorion (a being of unfathomable power) and not a physical HOST which could fall to a Lightsaber.
SnowxElf
SnowxElf

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December 27th 2020, 12:23 am
Team 2 stomps, even if you wank Valk to the point of him being able to beat one individually (which he can't) he still can't beat both at once. 

Luke - TK Shredding a mountain sized fortress, TK manipulating black hole

Sheev - Unleashed a force storm that destroys a fleet and covers much of moon in mere seconds, teleported his Eclipse dreadnaught across the galaxy, Speedblitzing several high mid tiers at once while very pre - prime.  TK Capable of cracking the Imperial Palace’s foundation (3Km high, 20km wide) and is made completely out of durasteel, Influenced trillions with TP at once.
S_W_LeGenD
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December 27th 2020, 4:16 am
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@SnowxElf wrote:Team 2 stomps, even if you wank Valk to the point of him being able to beat one individually (which he can't) he still can't beat both at once.

Tenebrae can can separate the two and SOLO either in the process. Do you think either have infallible defenses? Each will put up a fight no doubt but Tenebrae have too much capacity to fight in this form - any form can disappear and reemerge at will, isolate intruders, summon deadly shadow ghouls which can ONE-SHOT upon single misstep, and produce whirlwinds of energy potent enough to disintegrate a massive structure and throw all protagonists around as if they are card boxes. The protagonists had help at each step on the other hand - this is how they succeeded to drive Tenebrae to the center and then too much raw power materialized in the form of countless spirits on the spot to overcome the entity. There is no individual counter to this Tenebrae's immortality dynamic and this is repeatedly stated in the expansion set.

@SnowxElf wrote:
Luke - TK Shredding a mountain sized fortress, TK manipulating black hole

The word mountain is a metaphoric take of a development - similar to what is said about Satele's feat on Aldeeran. These are HILLS or rocky formations at best. True mountains are supposed to be a lot bigger and have too much mass in them.

It is not a true black hole but a Vong creation - it can consume ships and stuff but it is no where close to the real thing. The real thing would consume planets and destroy the entire constellation should it run into one. Luke's feat is also equaled by Kyp Durron which is another pointer.

Some of you have no idea what kind of a force a true blackhole is - it is death guaranteed. Death of planets and stars as well. It might be a singularity but its mass is absolutely huge - big enough to swallow an entire constellation. Nothing can tolerate it.

OR blackholes can be hell of a lot smaller and weaker in Star Wars. Take your pick.

@SnowxElf wrote:
Sheev - Unleashed a force storm that destroys a fleet and covers much of moon in mere seconds, teleported his Eclipse dreadnaught across the galaxy, Speedblitzing several high mid tiers at once while very pre - prime.  TK Capable of cracking the Imperial Palace’s foundation (3Km high, 20km wide) and is made completely out of durasteel, Influenced trillions with TP at once.

Palpatine will produce a Force Storm inside the mentalscape? It can manifest in real physical environment only. All of that is fine but Lightsabers do not affect Tenebrae in this form. Any form can disappear and reemerge at will, isolate intruders, summon deadly shadow ghouls which can ONE-SHOT upon single misstep, and produce whirlwinds of energy potent enough to disintegrate a massive structure and throw all protagonists around as if they are mere boxes. The protagonists are saved through collective oneness moment and countless Force spirits. No living being compares by any stretch of imagination.

Tenebrae is not capped to G-CANON and it doesn't exist anymore. As per demonstrated feats and D6 sourcebooks, Tenebrae surpassed all Sith in his capacity to use the Force and he is second-to-none in destructive applications. This is the new reality. It's like some people choose to be in denial and do not want to admit the obvious.


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LadyKulvax
LadyKulvax
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December 27th 2020, 5:23 am
Given the sheer degree by which Luke scales over DE Sheev, even accounting for the most generous pro-Sheev argument, is insane. Luke is definitely by far the most powerful here. Who triumphs between DE Sheev and Tenebrae is irrelevant due to that.
S_W_LeGenD
S_W_LeGenD

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December 27th 2020, 5:28 am
@LadyKulvax wrote:Given the sheer degree by which Luke scales over DE Sheev, even accounting for the most generous pro-Sheev argument, is insane. Luke is definitely by far the most powerful here. Who triumphs between DE Sheev and Tenebrae is irrelevant due to that.

I would caution against starting a scaling argument - trust me on this. Things have gotten ridiculous in SWTOR lately. And I thought CANON was bad. In their relentless efforts to one-up each other, authors are growing out of touch with logic and reason. I hate to admit this but Star Wars made much more sense under Lucas.


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LadyKulvax
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December 27th 2020, 5:31 am
Oh please, I'm well aware of 6.2. Don't patronise me.
S_W_LeGenD
S_W_LeGenD

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December 27th 2020, 5:33 am
@LadyKulvax wrote:Oh please, I'm well aware of 6.2. Don't patronise me.

And? Tenebrae [Original] was FAR above the likes of Darth Bane and Darth Zannah as a hint. The remainder of his growth in power.... no wonder he was able to bend millions of Sith to his will through the centuries. The only limitation he had was in his FLESH which he got rid of eventually. But the Force strives for balance and his send-off was equally spectacular in scope and capacity. Now that I am digging ever deeper into the scaling chains, I am realizing where this was all heading and its good that BioWare called it a day. Living beings cannot keep up with unnatural leaps in strength - this is important consideration.

G-Canon does not entertain unnatural leaps in strength if this is still in mind - Palpatine (Dark Empire) is not G-Canon for instance. Luke's advances are all in natural capacity and he had trouble dealing with numerous opponents all along which is how things are with living beings.
LadyKulvax
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December 27th 2020, 7:37 am
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Luke as of DE, is stated to be stronger in the Force than Sheev. Luke as of JAT is stated to be stronger than ever, including DE Luke amped by Force Harmony. That's 11ABY Luke. 8 years later he grows vastly in power and mentally overcomes all prior hinderances. That's Luke 6 years before the NJO era even starts. Luke goes through a ton more Skywalker growth until he achieves such a strong connection and understanding that he can, at will, achieve a state of oneness. Then Luke goes through Legacy of the Force era, and then he goes through FOTJ.

Your arms are just too short to box with Luke.
Jedi_Jesus
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December 27th 2020, 8:47 am
Luke solos
Thanaton
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December 27th 2020, 9:11 am
He beats even back as Novel Vitiate.
Seturna
Seturna
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December 27th 2020, 11:35 am
Novel Vitiate can’t even beat Traya. Let alone Luke or Sidious
S_W_LeGenD
S_W_LeGenD

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December 27th 2020, 12:17 pm
@LadyKulvax wrote:Valkorion vs Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious  - Page 5 VnQ2CNW

Luke as of DE, is stated to be stronger in the Force than Sheev. Luke as of JAT is stated to be stronger than ever, including DE Luke amped by Force Harmony. That's 11ABY Luke. 8 years later he grows vastly in power and mentally overcomes all prior hinderances. That's Luke 6 years before the NJO era even starts. Luke goes through a ton more Skywalker growth until he achieves such a strong connection and understanding that he can, at will, achieve a state of oneness. Then Luke goes through Legacy of the Force era, and then he goes through FOTJ.

Your arms are just too short to box with Luke.

Oh really? He was that strong but got his ___ handed to him by the Force spirit of Exar Kun which isn't his prime incarnation as of NJO by the way.

And Luke Skywalker had this to say about Marka Ragnos:

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Tenebrae surpassed Marka Ragnos circa 4999 BBY and continued to increase his strength and hone his abilities afterwards. My arms are much longer than any argument you can make for Exar Kun.

I am not sure how you perceive Luke's advances but he is repeatedly asserted to be the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy at maximum in majority of the sources. Below is something more:

"It was not a flaw-no senseless accident had caused its loss, but rather a fight with one of the most powerful Jedi who had ever lived." - Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Ascension

He isn't a one-man show and he doesn't have near-infinite strength and abilities - only in FANON minds I would say. Even Anakin Skywalker doesn't quality for this view anymore because of what happened in Dark Empire.

@Jedi_Jesus wrote:Luke solos

Not a chance.

@Seturna wrote:Novel Vitiate can’t even beat Traya. Let alone Luke or Sidious

Revan was much stronger than her and Tenebrae would have absolutely crushed her.
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