DE Sidious and Valkorion vs GM Luke

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-Provide a solid reason.

BreakofDawn wrote:Team. Either Sidious or Valk can press GM Luke at the best of times. Add in both, and they take it. It's even easier for them if Luke jobs.

Tbf, Luke isn't gonna job against these two

Probably not, but felt it was worth specifying.

Palpatine may solo with Force storms and hax.

yeah, i doubt that. most of the hax that he has, Luke seems to have. battle meditation, teleportation, drain of any sort, all can and would be countered. i think Luke wins this tbh.

Depends on how Valk and Sheev play their cards. Luke can probably beat them conventionally but if they take the right approach I'll wager they can win. I can be swayed but for now I'll give it a 50/50 split.

luke can defeat them

Luke.

Luke blitzes Sidious and disposes of Valkorion shortly after.

Luke blitzes Sidious and disposes of Valkorion shortly after.

Honestly, going with Luke. They obviously can't do shit to him with a lightsaber considering how DE panned out, in fact that would make this an easy win. Considering Luke has rooted himself against a being who can bend 30 ABY turbolasers (and has trillions of beings worth of Force potential to draw on) and resist Abeloth's direct Force manipulations, not to mention move a turbolaser-deflecting singularity, they aren't budging him with TK. It's more likely that, like he did with Abeloth, he would pull Valk near and gut him, then move onto Sheev.

The most problematic outcome is if the Sith are smart and spam Lightning from the start, or use a combination of different powers simultaneously. Not actually sure how Luke would deal with that other than just going super saiyan and smashing them. That's probably only going to happen a minority of the time, mind you, and all of this depends on the circumstances. So the team would probably win most of the time, but the one time this was written into a novel, Luke would somehow pull it off.

BoD (Away) wrote:

Luke blitzes Sidious and disposes of Valkorion shortly after.

A vastly pre-prime Luke has overpowered Sidious already. I don't see how he fairs any better then a blitz.

Team.

Luke. Valkorion isn't even a factor and I doubt Sidious can actually match peak Luke.

Team.

Team takes it. Valk and Sidious can individually pressure Luke, and I'm not convinced that Luke can take both of them together,

Luke at the end of Crucible, fully motivated to win.

Peak Valkorion and Sheev.

Who wins?

Honestly I'm not sure if he's much better than either, if at all. He's absolutely never defeating both.

Make it peak Luke and he wins with mid diff

How does he scale that much from either? Let's assume you think Valkorion is a league below Sheev. How exactly is Luke so far above Sheev that he can take him with a close econd for back-up, with mid diff at that?

The lord of hunger wrote:Make it peak Luke and he wins with mid diff

Well, the reason I make the thread is that this appears to be peak Luke. For a few reasons:

1. He experienced a kind of ego/pseudo death on the Monolith, where his Force essence and physical body (including his mind) was broken down to constituent parts and then reassembled. He and Leia said this changed them forever.

2. The Force nexus on the Monolith was so powerful it was casually healing massively traumatic and sometimes mortal physical wounds, even Han Solo was laughing off stuff that should have killed him. In the process it fully healed Luke including the essence-wound Abeloth gave him.

3. He and Leia appeared "more powerful than ever' after this.

So he should be more powerful and connected to the Force than ever here.

Merged the threads

Luke better run fast.

Where did this whole DE Luke > Sidious in sabers idea come from?

Like legitimately am I wrong in saying Gideon addressed this like 9 years ago?