Starkiller vs Exar Kun

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:1.Starkiller curbstomps.
2.Kun via sorcery
3.Either way.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:If you'd actually bothered to read the thread in question you'd know I also said he could lose to Kun there as well. This is due to esoteric abilities, SK shit stomps him conventionally.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Yes because Kun's esoteric abilities are the only one's I see overriding a power/skill disparity.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:You gonna provide examples of Revan using sorcery in combat to overwhelm a superior foe or not? Because otherwise this post is just a bunch of empty characters filling up my screen.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:A) Kun used sorcery against Luke in JA, to great effect.

B) So... you've proven Revan has extensive knowledge on sorcery. Great, still waiting on examples of him using it in combat. Never mind you conceded on that so your argument is irrelevant.

NotAA3 wrote:Starkiller has far better environmental feats and scaling (e.g. the destruction of The Salvation, being >>> Vader, etc), but Kun was able to beat JA Luke (all be it with Durron's help and a DS nexus) with sorcery and Starkiller hasn't shown he has any knowledge on how to defend against it, so I can easily see Kun winning through it. If Kun isn't able to abuse sorcery he gets slaughtered.

NotAA3 wrote:Starkiller has far better environmental feats and scaling (e.g. the destruction of The Salvation, being >>> Vader, etc), but Kun was able to beat JA Luke (all be it with Durron's help and a DS nexus) with sorcery and Starkiller hasn't shown he has any knowledge on how to defend against it, so I can easily see Kun winning through it. If Kun isn't able to abuse sorcery he gets slaughtered.

KingofBlades wrote:

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:A) Kun used sorcery against Luke in JA, to great effect.

B) So... you've proven Revan has extensive knowledge on sorcery. Great, still waiting on examples of him using it in combat. Never mind you conceded on that so your argument is irrelevant.

He didn't have a physical body in JA so had no choice but to use sorcery. When Kun was in his physical form he hasn't shown any tendency to use sorcery in combat. The one time he did he failed to kill someone that's drastically inferior to SK in Aleema. He seems to prefer engaging in saber duels when he has a physical form.

The Ellimist wrote:When has Exar Kun used sorcery in combat? He does it in JA, sure, but the fact that he doesn't use it in TotJ leads me to think that he either learned those abilities / gained the power through the millenia (especially given the ritual) or when at full power finds conventional attacks more practical (or both).

Decaf_Beverages wrote:
I know for a fact I've told you this Elm, but this interpretation of Kun's abilities is highly incorrect

He uses his abilities against both Aleema and Odan Urr in combat. Both while largely pre-prime and while both would have had considereable knowldge of how to counter his abilities, a skill which Starkiller would have little to no experience at.

The idea he couldn't use sorceries in combat when people canonically inferior to him such as Aleema and Darth Andeddu were capable of it is silly.

The idea that he learned them over the millenia is also a little odd, as not only did he have no way to gain new knowledge over the eons of his imprisonment, but he was stated to have been slumbering most of that time, only waking during times of extreme force disturbance at close proximity, such as the events of SWTOR on Yavin IV.

The ritual wouldnt have expanded his personal skill either, and what power it did give him was stripped away, but thats another discussion itself. 

The idea that he GAINED abilities as a spirit is especially silly, as it was outright stated he couldn't use the vast majority of the abilities he could while alive, even with Kyp Durron or Gantoris as puppets. 

• A massive draining-ritual power boost, pending your elaboration on why that was stripped away.
  
• Some part of thousands of years to practice.
  
• Thousands of years of sitting on a potent dark side nexus.
  
• The precedent that nearly every Sith Lord that comes back to life is more powerful than when they died.