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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:20 am
idk, u tell me. ur the one that said that him learning the sith arts means he mastered all forms. maul is a FAMOUS juyo master. i think the only tihng he uses aside from that is some ataru.
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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:23 am
From Darth Plagueis and from his own studies.
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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:25 am
@AlakanSpacewalker wrote:From Darth Plagueis and from his own studies.

What other studies?

It’s evident that each master trained their apprentice in the seven forms, it’s a part of Banite training, and it conforms with the whole idea of what the Banites wanted to accomplish.
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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:36 am
How does knowing X amount of things = to how aggressive someone is in a fight?
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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:58 am
@Meatpants wrote:
@The lord of hunger wrote:vader also mastered every lightsaber form not only maul

Proof?

And if so, proof he mastered them to the same extent Maul did?
His style borrowed elements from all techniques of combat, even from the highest, most dangerous levels, and his moves were crisp and unpredictable.
--
She felt as if she were fighting a droid, although a droid programmed to counter all her best stratagems. Ducking out from under a broad sweep of the crimson blade, she somersaulted to safety.
-- Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader


He is a master of the lightsaber, wielding the lightning blade with blinding speed.

-- Lightsaber Dueling Pack: Darth Vader



No one was a match for the lightsaber skills of the dark lord of the Sith.
-- Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game: The Shadow Syndicate
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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:01 am
lol yeah.

@meatpants anyhow, knowing forms doenst even matter. dooku, mace windu, and yoda fully and completely mastered all 7 forms, and all 3 of them almost 100% of the time used only 1 of them- ataru for yoda, makashi for dooku, and juyo/vappad for windu.
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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:01 am
@The lord of hunger wrote:
@Meatpants wrote:
@The lord of hunger wrote:vader also mastered every lightsaber form not only maul

Proof?

And if so, proof he mastered them to the same extent Maul did?
His style borrowed elements from all techniques of combat, even from the highest, most dangerous levels, and his moves were crisp and unpredictable.
--
She felt as if she were fighting a droid, although a droid programmed to counter all her best stratagems. Ducking out from under a broad sweep of the crimson blade, she somersaulted to safety.
-- Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader


He is a master of the lightsaber, wielding the lightning blade with blinding speed.

-- Lightsaber Dueling Pack: Darth Vader



No one was a match for the lightsaber skills of the dark lord of the Sith.
-- Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game: The Shadow Syndicate
that proves nothing lol
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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:03 am
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:
@The lord of hunger wrote:
@Meatpants wrote:
@The lord of hunger wrote:vader also mastered every lightsaber form not only maul

Proof?

And if so, proof he mastered them to the same extent Maul did?
His style borrowed elements from all techniques of combat, even from the highest, most dangerous levels, and his moves were crisp and unpredictable.
--
She felt as if she were fighting a droid, although a droid programmed to counter all her best stratagems. Ducking out from under a broad sweep of the crimson blade, she somersaulted to safety.
-- Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader


He is a master of the lightsaber, wielding the lightning blade with blinding speed.

-- Lightsaber Dueling Pack: Darth Vader



No one was a match for the lightsaber skills of the dark lord of the Sith.
-- Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game: The Shadow Syndicate
that proves nothing lol

He left his lightsaber clipped to his belt. Ordinarily he would have used it to practice on the dueling droids that had been specially designed and constructed to test his mettle. Programmed with the knowledge and skills of a dozen different martial artists, and armed with deadly cutting or impact weapons, they were formidable opponents indeed, and had been an integral part of Sith training since time immemorial. But not everything was about the lightsaber. There were other attributes, other weapons in his arsenal, that needed exercising as well.
-- Death Star


Darth Vader held his lightsaber firmly, wrists locked, and watched the killer droid circle to its left. The droid was a new model, one of a dozen identical units constructed to his personal specifications. Like Vader, it also held a lightsaber. It was tall, spindly, looked something like the general-purpose Asps to be found all over the Empire, but with a number of special modifications. The unit was faster than an ordinary man, stronger, programmed with the knowledge of a hundred sword masters and a dozen different fighting styles. Against a normal person, the droid would be unbeatable and deadly-The droid stepped in fast and cut at Vader's head. Vader blocked, and the droid chopped again, circling the humming blade in a second cut at Vader's side. Fast, but again a block-The droid's third attack came from the opposite side as its blade flashed in a large half circle-Vader parried and riposted, angling a slash at thedroid's head - The droid blocked and slid back a meter, out of range, blade held over its head, point angled down.
The slight ache in Vader's shoulder where Luke had cut through his armor during their fight was definitely better. He hardly felt any soreness at all with that series. He moved in, swung a feint at the droid's neck, twisted his wrists, and pivoted the lightsaber for a sec-ond feint at the same side, then a third feint, a jab at the midsection. The droid stepped back and crossblocked the finalfeint-Vader V-stepped to his left, cocked his blade over hisleft shoulder, and hacked forty-five degrees at the base of the metal neck-The droid's block was a quarter second slow. Strong as it was, it was not strong enough to offset the power and momentum of Vader's strike.
The blades met, hissed and sparked, but Vader's sword shoved the droid's blade to the side. It tried to backpedal-Too late. The lightsaber hit midway between the droid's neck and shoulder joint, sheared through the exoframe and halfway through the chest. Circuitrysparked, shorted out. Sparks and acrid smoke erupted from the droid's body. It dropped the lightsaber as its hand controls died. Fell to its knees. Vader cocked the weapon over his right shoulderand swung in a flat horizontal arc-The lightsaber sliced through the droid's neck and took its head off. The head fell, bounced, and the droid's decapitated body fell backward.
Vader stood over the downed droid. Soon he would have to order another dozen of them produced-this was the eighth one of the originals; he had but four left. And the next batch would need to be improved. It was getting too easy.

-- Shadows Of The Empire
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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:03 am
His style borrowed elements from all techniques of combat, even from the highest, most dangerous levels, and his moves were crisp and unpredictable.
--
She felt as if she were fighting a droid, although a droid programmed to counter all her best stratagems. Ducking out from under a broad sweep of the crimson blade, she somersaulted to safety. -Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader



there.
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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:05 am
yes, several sources explain it quite well, the novel also states that the movements of vader during a duel are unpredictable and crisp
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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:07 am
Which translates to aggressiveness how? The question isn't about skill.
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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:07 am
@Zenwolf wrote:Which translates to aggressiveness how? The question isn't about skill.
huh?
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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:09 am
@The lord of hunger wrote:
@Zenwolf wrote:Which translates to aggressiveness how? The question isn't about skill.
huh?

The title question is, who is more aggressive. Not who is more skilled.

One can be an aggressive fighter without knowing X amount of fighting styles.
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on Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:11 am
@Zenwolf wrote:
@The lord of hunger wrote:
@Zenwolf wrote:Which translates to aggressiveness how? The question isn't about skill.
huh?

The title question is, who is more aggressive. Not who is more skilled.

One can be an aggressive fighter without knowing X amount of fighting styles.
ohhh yee well the thread derailed becuase were discussing about vader s skill with the lightsaber 

on topic i think they evenly matched on aggresiveness maul is agile and his strikes can cause massive distractions and vader is more focused and centered on that term
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on Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:54 am
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:lol yeah.

@meatpants anyhow, knowing forms doenst even matter. dooku, mace windu, and yoda fully and completely mastered all 7 forms, and all 3 of them almost 100% of the time used only 1 of them- ataru for yoda, makashi for dooku, and juyo/vappad for windu.

No, they formed their own unique styles.

RE: Vader knowing the seven forms; I forgot about that quote. Doesn’t really prove mastery of each and every form, but regardless Maul remains more technically skilled than Vader.

RE: the topic question, Maul also remains the more aggressive fighter.
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on Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:44 am
Maul is more aggresive. He utilizes from Jar'Kai and mostly Juyo which is the form of agression. Vader's own form contains the mix of various others including: Makashi, Djem So, Soresu, Ataru and Juyo.
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on Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:49 am
@Meatpants wrote:So where did Sidious learn all the forms?

If this isn't rhetorical, here:

"Sidious can appear frail and slow, but the Sith Lord should not be underestimated - he is a master of all forms of lightsaber combat." -- The Clone Wars Episode Guide
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on Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:43 am
@Meatpants wrote:
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:lol yeah.

@meatpants anyhow, knowing forms doenst even matter. dooku, mace windu, and yoda fully and completely mastered all 7 forms, and all 3 of them almost 100% of the time used only 1 of them- ataru for yoda, makashi for dooku, and juyo/vappad for windu.

No, they formed their own unique styles.

RE: Vader knowing the seven forms; I forgot about that quote. Doesn’t really prove mastery of each and every form, but regardless Maul remains more technically skilled than Vader.

RE: the topic question, Maul also remains the more aggressive fighter.
Why is he .more skilled?
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on Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:03 am
Vader knowing all forms prove his mastery with the lightsaber.....

As a teenager, the apprentice was already more powerful than many Jedi Knights had been during the Clone Wars, and it was only Darth Vader's incredible power and skill that allowed him to defeat the boy in combat.
-- The Force Unleashed Campaign Guide





He honed his lightsaber skills, wielding the blade with blinding speed.

-- The Essential Guide To Characters




Darth Vader is the embodiment of all evil. Under the guidance of Emperor Palpatine-aka Darth Sidious- Lord Vader controls the Galactic Empire with an iron fist. He's an unparalleled lightsaber combatant and an even more capable Force wielder.



-- Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II: Prima Official Game Guide







Darth Vader has strong Force powers, which make him an expert pilot and lightsaber combatant.


-beware the sith 



And in canon we got this quote

[size=41]Ahsoka: Why are you working so hard to keep us here?
Maul: I cannot defeat Vader alone.[/size]



-- Star Wars Rebels Season 2: Twilight Of The Apprentice
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on Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:25 am
Again, nobody is questioning Vader's mastery with the lightsaber; I just don't see any evidence to suggest his technical skill with one is better than Maul's. Nor do I see how he's a more aggressive fighter than Maul either.
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on Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:37 am
@Meatpants wrote:Again, nobody is questioning Vader's mastery with the lightsaber; I just don't see any evidence to suggest his technical skill with one is better than Maul's. Nor do I see how he's a more aggressive fighter than Maul either.

While I agree Maul being more aggresive, I think an "unpolished" Vader still had great technical skill per Kenobi's observations (his defences) since their last encounter (if I recall correctly).


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on Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:46 am
@HellfireUnit 

How does that prove he's better in technical skill than Maul?
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on Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:06 am
showings quite possibly
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on Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:08 am
@Meatpants wrote:@HellfireUnit 

How does that prove he's better in technical skill than Maul?

I wasn't referring to one's superiority to other, just an implication of how Vader improved his defences since his last encounter with Kenobi on Mustafar. In my opinion Vader managing to create a form based on the limitations and weaknesses he has is a clear display of skill. Just like Windu creating Vaapad or Yoda's usage of Ataru to overcome their weaknesses. And over the years Vader managing to overcome through the barries and self-recrimination has allowed him to grow rapidly in such a short time. If we count Resurrection canon per EU, pre-ANH Vader seems to be an equal to a Maul who is specifically conjured to defeat Vader by the Prophets of the Dark Side. An "unpolished" Vader who goes through an insane growth post-ANH. That can be used as a case. @Meatpants
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on Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:08 am
@The lord of hunger wrote:showings quite possibly

What showings?
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