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What was Obi-Wan Kenobi's Potential? Empty What was Obi-Wan Kenobi's Potential?

on January 19th 2020, 12:21 pm
Imagine a scenario that allowed Obi-Wan to reach his unfulfilled potential.
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on January 19th 2020, 12:37 pm
Arcann or Dooku level, maybe. Mustafar might have been his full potential, though.
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on January 19th 2020, 1:24 pm
Yoda tells him he'll never be strong enough to face the Emperor, so he's locked below tier 9 at least.
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on January 19th 2020, 1:54 pm
Meatpants (away) wrote:Yoda tells him he'll never be strong enough to face the Emperor, so he's locked below tier 9 at least.
When does he say that? I thought he just said "to fight the Emperor, strong enough, you are not."
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on January 19th 2020, 2:11 pm
ROTS novel he says “strong enough to face the Emperor, you will never be”
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on January 19th 2020, 3:01 pm
Wow, Yoda over here just destroying Obi-Wan's self-esteem.

"Bitch, you are. Kill yourself after killing Skywalker, you should."
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on January 19th 2020, 3:04 pm
@CuckedCurry wrote:ROTS novel he says “strong enough to face the Emperor, you will never be”
thats kinda reaching though, aint it? obi wan, after the mental thing, suddenly almost jumped a whole tier, tbh. if he had the vader mindset, he couldve gotten stronger than dooku, imo
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on January 19th 2020, 3:14 pm
It’s not really reaching though. Sidious is just that good
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on January 19th 2020, 3:31 pm
stronger than dooku
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on January 19th 2020, 11:16 pm
Yoda level. At the time of their discovery of Anakin's turn and Sidious identity Yoda was operating under the assumption Palps had taken on Mace (near Yoda level), Kit, Tinn and Kolar legitimately, simultaneously and won. 

Also going by this scene, it's stated that even Obi-Wan and Yoda together could not best Sidious. Yet Yoda proves his equal on his own.

In the end it's two characters going off assumptions (later proven wrong). And should not be taken seriously
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on January 20th 2020, 2:27 am
Greysentinel365 wrote:Yet Yoda proves his equal on his own.
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on January 20th 2020, 8:59 am
He caps out at about Dooku level.
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on February 26th 2020, 6:32 am
Mace level. Above Dooku, and should the quote on Kyp be taken exactly, then maybe even Maul level

Also, in addition to what has been said, Yoda didn't want Obi Wan to battle Sidious because he couldn't guess what Sidious's potential could be. Given that they were the last Jedi, Obi Wan might have attempted to battle Sidious even later on and might not have succeeded. To put a stop to any potential battle like that, and to convince him not to battle Sidious even more Yoda made that statement. Also, even should Yoda have actually believed that, he has no way to guess Sidious's potential because he has no idea how much Sidious has evolved under the Sith and his advancement and he obviously hasn't tested Sidious's midichlorians and probably doesn't even know his actual age so he has no way to know how much potential Sidious actually possesses and could simply be compensating or cautious about that.

All said, that statement alone cannot be taken as hard evidence, and other statements point to his potential actually being top level.
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on February 26th 2020, 10:45 am
Imagine a scenario that allowed Obi-Wan to reach his unfulfilled potential.
Not much different from RotS. Enlightenment and maturity, perfect mastery of Soresu, and all the experience and mental makeup of a hardened warrior whos been through it all. Not much else to improve on mentally.  Just make him younger and take away all the injuries he sustained over the Clone Wars and keep his RotS experience, mindset and skills. That's the only way you get a theoretical better Kenobi.

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And for those who argue Kenobi grew during the Mustafar duel after 'letting go' consider this. Anakin is a walking guilt trip for Kenobi, of course he's going to be gunshy and mentally hindered. It's situational to this duel. Against someone like Grievous or Dooku he has no problem finding his inner peace and let the Force take over. And Kenobi was still racked with guilt long after the duel so it's not like was completely over the mental hurdle either and evolved as a character; he just temporarily suspended it and brought himself back to his Utapau level, when he tooled Grievous. 

Bottom line Kenobi at the peak of his Mustafar performance isn't much different than his Utapau performance. He didn't turn into a 'buddha' during or after the duel, he went back to moping and feeling sorry for himself just as he was before the duel and was in the same state as of The Rise of Darth Vader and The Last of the Jedi Series.

Obi-Wan beat Anakin because a) Anakin isn't the unbeatable Head-to-Head monster the community makes him out to be. b) Kenobi had the right style advantage and used his superior experience(Lucas actually says Kenobi's experience played a role in his victory, despite Anakin being more skilled), and c) Anakin unlike Luke is mentally weak and Kenobi exploited this. Physically gifted but mentally weak. Unfortually for Anakin fighting is mostly mental, it's why he's not in Mace, Yoda, and Sidious's level who are comparable to him physically but superior mentally.
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