Exar Kun vs Darth Malak

LadyKulvax wrote:KOB, that's not the debate here at all. Have you even been reading?

So you think those collective military assets compare to a dark side super weapon which can create an endless amount of ships and Jedi-slaughtering droids?

Because guess what, Kun is a bigger threat because of his power. 

Just as the Emperor is, to answer your question of how a person's power compares to the Star Forge:

As an individual Exar Kun is the biggest threat and we know he is because he's far more powerful and dangerous than anything else of his time.

He's confirmed to be so, he can even scale from the Dark Reaper. 

In other words, Exar Kun who is confirmed to be a greater threat than Kyp in the same book:

Is a greater threat than Daala's Imperial war machine which can destroy planets.

That's been known since 1977.

The reason it is relevant here is because the Star Forge is a dark side nexus that Malak can drain power from and is the source of his strength. That's the big deal here.

But the issue is that you're saying it is limited due to the fact they face Kun/the Sith, but them facing him is merely a statement of what happens and not a careful limitation on what 'greatest threat' encompasses.

Well the Codex Entry says the Empire discovered it, not Revan and Malak. So clearly they predated that, regardless of explanation of which there are many. Though honestly that makes sense because we know that they also discovered a third station besides the Foundry which no one else knew about. They clearly found out about the Rakatan super stations in advanced.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:My trolling appears to have been rather successful given:

>You keep taking the bait.

>You've literally been having a meltdown for the past two pages of this thread.

Sorry to interrupt your fantasy AP but I think it's about time I brought you back to the harsh reality of the situation.

DarthAnt66 wrote:

So you think those collective military assets compare to a dark side super weapon which can create an endless amount of ships and Jedi-slaughtering droids?

???

Because guess what, Kun is a bigger threat because of his power. 

???

Just as the Emperor is, to answer your question of how a person's power compares to the Star Forge:

Revan never compared Vitiate's Force power to the Star Forge. 

As an individual Exar Kun is the biggest threat and we know he is because he's far more powerful and dangerous than anything else of his time.

That doesn't mean he's far more powerful and dangerous than his collective Empire and super-weapons.

He's confirmed to be so, he can even scale from the Dark Reaper. 

No.

In other words, Exar Kun who is confirmed to be a greater threat than Kyp in the same book:

Which is irrelevant to our discussion.

Is a greater threat than Daala's Imperial war machine which can destroy planets.

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That's been known since 1977.

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The reason it is relevant here is because the Star Forge is a dark side nexus that Malak can drain power from and is the source of his strength. That's the big deal here.

That's not at all relevant to the discussion, actually. 

But the issue is that you're saying it is limited due to the fact they face Kun/the Sith, but them facing him is merely a statement of what happens and not a careful limitation on what 'greatest threat' encompasses.

Refer to my school/monster example.

Well the Codex Entry says the Empire discovered it, not Revan and Malak. So clearly they predated that, regardless of explanation of which there are many. Though honestly that makes sense because we know that they also discovered a third station besides the Foundry which no one else knew about. They clearly found out about the Rakatan super stations in advanced.

That doesn't mean they discovered it first, nor that "discovered" constitutes knowing its location and interacting with it rather than just "discovering" its existence. 

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Consider this supernova explosion that decimated ten stars and their planets, caused by the Corsair and Keto:



Consider this Sith super-weapon that razed armies of Jedi:



Consider these hundreds (or, arguably, thousands) of Sith and dark Jedi followers:



Consider this Mandalorian armada with its thousands of super-trained soldiers:



And consider all the thousands of Krath, Massassi, and other factions that allied with Kun.

If you put all of that in one corner, then Kun in the other corner, Kun would die. Badly. Instantly. He doesn't "scale" over all of this because he's the most powerful of the ancient Sith or whatever. And when the quote's referring to the "greatest threat," it's referring to this collective threat of all of those images plus Kun.

Unfortunately, I can't do this attrition game forever, and it seems just as unlikely that you'll convince me Kun can solar-system-bust as it is that I'll convince you Kun cannot solar-system-bust, so I'll let this by my final word for now. Though, if any other member has any questions on my points, let me know and I'll address them.

SithArchaeologist wrote:

Azronger wrote:I've been toying with the idea the quote may refer to standard Malak as well. The Star Forge amp would just be another boon on top of that.

I'm not sure the quote really supports that stance, but there's definitely an argument to be made that base Malak is above Kun anyway due to his superiority to Darth Revan. And regardless, the "Star Forge amp" is a bit of misnomer as it is more akin to the amp Taalon got from the Pool than a nexus amp that is location locked.

Cory Herndon, Twitter wrote:"I think my thoughts at the time were that Malak was in a position to, with Revan, conquer the Republic, and therefore was the most powerful. And I was *definitely* thinking that the Star Forge's power, both in terms of being able to spit out ships and perhaps having a Dark Side connection made him clearly one of the most powerful Sith in history."

ILS wrote:Kun wins here, tbh. Better feats and he is buffed by the DS nexus of the Forge as well.

LadyKulvax wrote:

Cory Herndon, Twitter wrote:"I think my thoughts at the time were that Malak was in a position to, with Revan, conquer the Republic, and therefore was the most powerful. And I was *definitely* thinking that the Star Forge's power, both in terms of being able to spit out ships and perhaps having a Dark Side connection made him clearly one of the most powerful Sith in history."

Deronn_Solo wrote:

LadyKulvax wrote:

Cory Herndon, Twitter wrote:"I think my thoughts at the time were that Malak was in a position to, with Revan, conquer the Republic, and therefore was the most powerful. And I was *definitely* thinking that the Star Forge's power, both in terms of being able to spit out ships and perhaps having a Dark Side connection made him clearly one of the most powerful Sith in history."

 
Interesting. Isn't this the same guy Ant message before that confirmed otherwise? Yeah, he seemingly did an entire 360.

That's the problem with messaging these story group guys -- they are hardly ever dogmatic about their work in regards to sourcebook statements in such, and answers questions in ways as neutral as possible.

Azronger wrote:

SithArchaeologist wrote:

Azronger wrote:I've been toying with the idea the quote may refer to standard Malak as well. The Star Forge amp would just be another boon on top of that.

I'm not sure the quote really supports that stance, but there's definitely an argument to be made that base Malak is above Kun anyway due to his superiority to Darth Revan. And regardless, the "Star Forge amp" is a bit of misnomer as it is more akin to the amp Taalon got from the Pool than a nexus amp that is location locked.

In a vacuum, no, but the wording doesn't preclude that either: "Did it provide him with powers far greater than even Exar Kun or Freedon Nadd" - that sentence doesn't tie his powers to a single location. But that is still generally assumed because the article strongly hints at the Star Forge being the source of his strength:



However, the video game tells us that Malak is growing stronger continuously from the Star Forge according to the Rakatans and Bastila Shan. Since it's unlikely the Star Forge's inherent nexus is increasing in potency for no reason, the far more likely explanation is that it's providing a permanent addition to Malak's Force reserves.

"You must go now, Revan. The Star Forge feeds the power of your old apprentice. If you do not stop him soon he will become too powerful for even you to stop."



That explanation still fits with the quote, since it's just saying Malak's powers are greater than Kun's or Nadd's and asking what gave such power.