Savage Opress vs Kaan, Kas'im and Kopecz

VictreebelVictr wrote:What's up with you and the brotherhood era lately?

Anyway, team.

KingKopecz wrote:

VictreebelVictr wrote:What's up with you and the brotherhood era lately?

Anyway, team.

Idk, I just like battles with lesser known characters

Vengean wrote:Kaan + Kas'im is more than enough. They stomp.

Tybalt wrote:

Vengean wrote:Kaan + Kas'im is more than enough. They stomp.

Both are significantly weaker in the Force than a massively pre-prime Bane.

Savage is comparable in Force power to TPM Maul. The gap between him and prime Bane is enormous.

Darkness Shared wrote:He could sense his Master's summons in the Force, and he could not resist the beckoning much longer. Lord Kaan was calling them all, the entire Brotherhood.

Darkness Shared

VictreebelVictr wrote:If Kas'im and Kopecz cover Kaan so that he can use his life crushing telepathy, Oppress is likely done for.

Darkness Shared wrote:He could sense his Master's summons in the Force, and he could not resist the beckoning much longer. Lord Kaan was calling them all, the entire Brotherhood.

Darkness Shared

If I remember correctly, there are about 20,000 Sith Lords within the Brotherhood of Darkness.

Praxis wrote:TPM Maul is a peer of TPM Sheev who is way beyond Bane, and Bane is significantly more powerful than anyone from the team. S4 Savage is already around TPM Maul level and then stack on the growth he gets in S5 and it becomes pretty clear Savage should steamroll.

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Tybalt wrote:Yeah, I wouldn't go that far.

Suddenly, my lightsaber is gone. It flies from my hand across the room. It lands in the hand of my Master.

I never see him enter. Not if he doesn't want me to.

The smile of triumph fades from my face.

"Do you think, " Lord Sidious says, walking toward me, "you can ever relax your guard?"

"No, Master. " What a clumsy, weak mistake. I should be prepared for him to enter at all times. How could I have forgotten that, even for a moment?

The lightsaber whirls in the air, twirling, held in my Master's hand. I can't track it, it moves so fast. But I know it's heading for me.

Lord Sidious moves faster than my eye can follow. I smell heat and smoke. The laser traces the outline of my body, my face, my hands. The buzz is loud in my ear. One flinch, one involuntary twitch of a muscle, and I am dead.

I do not flinch.

At last, Lord Sidious deactivates my weapon. He tosses it toward me. The sweat on my palm almost causes me to drop it.

"Do not let me see you relax your guard again, " my Master says. His eyes burn. "You are valuable, yes. But you are not indispensable, Lord Maul. I can do without you."

A flick of his robe, and he is gone.

Star Wars: Episode I Journal - Darth Maul

Star Wars Episode I Journal - Darth Maul (2000) wrote:I do not mind waiting. I use my time wisely. Waiting time is training time. Every minute of my life is devoted to learning the glorious Sith tradition as well as hard physical training. I keep myself in a constant state of readiness. When I meet the Jedi I will be at the peak of my power. I will be the strongest fighter in the galaxy.

Star Wars Episode I Journal - Darth Maul (2000) wrote:My relationship with my Master is complex. He rules me. He orders me and directs me. Yet we are both Sith Lords, and though I am his apprentice I share some of his power. As I have grown, so has his confidence in me. I stand by his side, but slightly behind, in his shadow.

I am content there. I still have much to learn. Not in battle, but in larger strategies. He sees weakness and exploits it. He senses anger and inflames it. His vision takes in a galaxy, with its multitude of planets and governments. The complexity doesn't intimidate him. He can hold it in his mind and know that someday, he will control it all.

Star Wars Episode I Journal - Darth Maul (2000) wrote:He parries my next blow. Sweat stings my eyes as I move across the rough cave floor. I do not stumble. I am nothing but the pulse of my anger, pure energy, pure darkness. I streak across the cave floor and come at him again, somersaulting through the air. My lightsaber whirls in the darkness. When he parries the blow, he staggers.


I am going to kill him. Every beat of my blood exults in my power. Every blow I deliver is meant to be the killing blow. I use reserves of strength I did not know I had. My blows are sure and precise, my footwork flawless. I gather in the power of the dark side. I feel my power clash with his. The air is thick, charged with our dark, titanic powers.

He parries every blow. But I see that he has to work hard to keep me at bay. Triumph roars through me at my Master's weakness. He is not as powerful as he appears.

Darth Maul - Saboteur (2001) wrote:Sidious put his hands on his hips. "Stand, Darth Maul, and face me." He gave his apprentice a moment to comply before continuing. "Thus far your apprenticeship has been impeccable. You have never wavered in your intent, and you have executed your tasks flawlessly. Your skill as a sword master is peerless."

starwars.com - September 2000 Comics wrote:Hiding in the shadows of the Republic are two threats competing for dominance. First, the legendary Sith prepare to reveal themselves to the Jedi, in events leading up to The Phantom Menace. Second, there's the criminal syndicate Black Sun, which threatens to complicate Darth Sidious' plan. His solution: to dispatch the deadliest Sith warrior in the galaxy.

Darth Maul - Shadow Hunter (2001) wrote:Alone in his secret chambers, Darth Sidious meditated on this latest set of circumstances.

In many ways Darth Maul was an exemplary acolyte. His loyalty was unquestionable and unshakable; Sidious knew that, if he were to command it, Maul would sacrifice his life without a second's hesitation. And his skills as a warrior were nonpareil.

Nevertheless, Maul had his flaws, and by far the largest of these was hubris. Though he had said nothing when given the assignment, Sidious knew Maul felt that such a job was beneath his skills. There were times-many times-when Sidious could see Maul's aura pulsing with the dark stain of impatience. He wondered sometimes if he had inculcated too much hatred of the Jedi and their ways in his apprentice. Maul did tend to focus on their destruction at the expense of the larger picture.

Even so, Sidious had every confidence that Maul would accomplish the task he had been set. Complications and setbacks were to be expected, and would be dealt with. All that mattered was the grand design, and it was proceeding apace. Soon the Jedi would be put to the slaughter. That should make his impetuous subordinate happy. Soon. Very soon.

It's made pretty clear that Maul is taken off guard there. It's kind of the point of the scene. He isn't tapping into the Force to augment his senses like he would during a normal fight. It's similar to when Anakin is watching Mace and Sheev fight in the ROTS novel and sees them as blurs even though he's on their level.

As for why I think Maul is at least a peer of TPM Sheev:

Star Wars Episode I Journal - Darth Maul (2000) wrote:He parries my next blow. Sweat stings my eyes as I move across the rough cave floor. I do not stumble. I am nothing but the pulse of my anger, pure energy, pure darkness. I streak across the cave floor and come at him again, somersaulting through the air. My lightsaber whirls in the darkness. When he parries the blow, he staggers.


I am going to kill him. Every beat of my blood exults in my power. Every blow I deliver is meant to be the killing blow. I use reserves of strength I did not know I had. My blows are sure and precise, my footwork flawless. I gather in the power of the dark side. I feel my power clash with his. The air is thick, charged with our dark, titanic powers.

He parries every blow. But I see that he has to work hard to keep me at bay. Triumph roars through me at my Master's weakness. He is not as powerful as he appears.

Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook