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The Ellimist
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on September 3rd 2019, 3:56 am



It suggests that:

  • S6 Anakin can beat Dooku quickly (though this part is probably the sketchiest because it isn't as relevant to tricking Yoda)
  • A version of Sidious that fights Yoda evenly / may be slightly weaker (or acting slightly weaker) can ragdoll Anakin

While it's an illusion, Sidious would presumably try to keep things realistic so that Yoda wouldn't get suspicious. In this case, Yoda fights Sidious long enough to see his power (which in the scene is comparable to his own), and is afraid for Anakin when he tries to run at Sidious

(It's also is an example of a vastly lower-tier ally not mattering that much in a fight)
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on September 3rd 2019, 4:08 am
This is something I have been thinking for a while. Yoda vs Sidious would not be different. They were the real ones in that illusion. Anakin defeating Dooku was foreshadowing and meant to show that he'll be the one taking down Dooku. Besides that, we already saw Anakin being able to match Dooku in a 1v1 when Dooku kept Palpatine as a prisoner and almost managed to defeat the older Sith Lord. Anakin does well depending on his emotions as we always knew. Palpatine being able to ragdoll Anakin is not a surprise, the latter's Force abilities aren't developed any near to even Mace Windu. Besides that Skywalker's courage and arrogance always led him to his downfall and we can see the exact scenario in this fight, thinking he'd be able to take down Sidious and only to find out he is weak, just as in AotC.
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on September 3rd 2019, 4:40 pm
Yes, it is. The Dooku bit is exaggerated of course, but the Yoda & Anakin vs Sidious fight seems pretty accurate.
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on September 3rd 2019, 4:43 pm
I think I’m the illusion Yoda was actively fighting , just like Vol fought Abeloth in a dream, but the fight was real. Considering how it was evenly matched ( although Yoda appeared to be gaining ground imo).
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on September 3rd 2019, 5:14 pm
BreakofDawn wrote:Yes, it is. The Dooku bit is exaggerated of course, but the Yoda & Anakin vs Sidious fight seems pretty accurate.

On what basis are you cherry-picking what's accurate and what's inaccurate?
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on September 3rd 2019, 7:36 pm
Anakin is an illusion. So he can do whatever the illusion demands. the point of this is to turn Yoda. Seeing his pupil die would serve that end. Likewise the point of Anakin getting dismissed was to tempt Yoda.

Even if you wanted to argue this was an accurate display for Anakin at this point.

1. Later in Dark Disciple he and Dooku were perfectly even
2. Anakin is stated to grow "vastly" in power up to the end of the war. So those who haven't yet accepted the fact of Anakin being close to Yoda and Sids get nothing here.
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on September 3rd 2019, 8:25 pm
Greysentinel365 wrote:1. Later in Dark Disciple he and Dooku were perfectly even

That's Canon though. It doesn't count.
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on September 3rd 2019, 8:36 pm
Azronger wrote:
Greysentinel365 wrote:1. Later in Dark Disciple he and Dooku were perfectly even

That's Canon though. It doesn't count.

More meant in terms of the holistic portrayal. Anakin is not meant to be past Dooku IRL
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on September 3rd 2019, 9:10 pm
@The Ellimist wrote:


It suggests that:

  • S6 Anakin can beat Dooku quickly (though this part is probably the sketchiest because it isn't as relevant to tricking Yoda)
  • A version of Sidious that fights Yoda evenly / may be slightly weaker (or acting slightly weaker) can ragdoll Anakin

While it's an illusion, Sidious would presumably try to keep things realistic so that Yoda wouldn't get suspicious. In this case, Yoda fights Sidious long enough to see his power (which in the scene is comparable to his own), and is afraid for Anakin when he tries to run at Sidious

(It's also is an example of a vastly lower-tier ally not mattering that much in a fight)
Actually, it seems to me Anakin was helpful at first. Before Sidious and Yoda were pretty even then when Anakin came in Yoda was able to knock him down. Anakin only got ragdolled because he recklessly charged in alone thinking Sidious vulnerable. If it was a real fight I think they would have won if Anakin had been more cautious.
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on September 8th 2019, 6:03 am
@O-Siri wrote:
@The Ellimist wrote:


It suggests that:

  • S6 Anakin can beat Dooku quickly (though this part is probably the sketchiest because it isn't as relevant to tricking Yoda)
  • A version of Sidious that fights Yoda evenly / may be slightly weaker (or acting slightly weaker) can ragdoll Anakin

While it's an illusion, Sidious would presumably try to keep things realistic so that Yoda wouldn't get suspicious. In this case, Yoda fights Sidious long enough to see his power (which in the scene is comparable to his own), and is afraid for Anakin when he tries to run at Sidious

(It's also is an example of a vastly lower-tier ally not mattering that much in a fight)
Actually, it seems to me Anakin was helpful at first. Before Sidious and Yoda were pretty even then when Anakin came in Yoda was able to knock him down. Anakin only got ragdolled because he recklessly charged in alone thinking Sidious vulnerable. If it was a real fight I think they would have won if Anakin had been more cautious.

I suppose teammates matter more when there's better coordination. But it's kind of an all-or-nothing thing it seems.
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