EoRotS Obi Wan vs. Arcann

MasterCilghal wrote:Kenobi

The Ellimist wrote:I'd have to reread the Anakin vs. Obi Wan fight to see if Obi Wan overcame being hindered vs. Anakin specifically or actually grew more powerful.

I'm not even sure if IH Obi Wan loses to Arcann.

LOTL wrote:

The Ellimist wrote:I'd have to reread the Anakin vs. Obi Wan fight to see if Obi Wan overcame being hindered vs. Anakin specifically or actually grew more powerful.

I'm not even sure if IH Obi Wan loses to Arcann.

That is a pretty nonsensical argument tbh that reflects lack of knowledge on the source material that has been catching on and needs to be removed. That and there are other angles of approach that canonically place Kenobi superior to the IH version

I think I'll finalize this notion pretty soon

1. Is Anakin hindered on Mustafar? -> not really answered in the novelization, but I think most sources suggest "no", at least not in terms of raw power.
   
2. Does Obi Wan perform better after letting go of his attachments? -> it seems like it. Anakin is physically dominating him beforehand, and after the attachment monologues it's more even, with Obi Wan eventually winning.
   
3. Does Obi Wan perform better because he grew stronger, or was he just not hesitating to strike back at Anakin? -> He also seems to have grown stronger. He's better matching Anakin and no longer getting physically dominated; I doubt the latter was just a result of hesitation to kill, since it was just a matter of Obi Wan getting physically outmuscled.
   
4. Does Obi Wan just perform better than before because he was hindered before, or did he grow stronger than his overall baseline? -> This is more difficult to answer. There is that other quote Lotl found from the RotS Play and Sound, Interactive novel: "Anakin and Obi Wan fight fiercely though the control room on Mustafar. They each tap into the force as they never have before." Likewise, the RotS novelization has Obi Wan letting go of more than just his attachment to Anakin - it notes him letting go of other attachments too, which would presumably appear in other fights as well. With those two points, it seems as if you can say: "Enlightened" Obi Wan > Mustafar Obi Wan > IH Obi Wan. This chain seems to work given that evidence; it's more just that it seems to be one of those chains drawn from hyper-analysis of specific quotes rather than a broader picture.
   
5. Is this a long-term amp or just something for the fight? -> I'd say that if there was an amp, the revelation wouldn't just fade away, though it might not remain at the same intensity. The OP is about the arguably amped Obi Wan anyway.
   

The Ellimist wrote:OK, reread it. So main questions:

1. Is Anakin hindered on Mustafar? -> not really answered in the novelization, but I think most sources suggest "no", at least not in terms of raw power.
   
2. Does Obi Wan perform better after letting go of his attachments? -> it seems like it. Anakin is physically dominating him beforehand, and after the attachment monologues it's more even, with Obi Wan eventually winning.
   
3. Does Obi Wan perform better because he grew stronger, or was he just not hesitating to strike back at Anakin? -> He also seems to have grown stronger. He's better matching Anakin and no longer getting physically dominated; I doubt the latter was just a result of hesitation to kill, since it was just a matter of Obi Wan getting physically outmuscled.
   
4. Does Obi Wan just perform better than before because he was hindered before, or did he grow stronger than his overall baseline? -> This is more difficult to answer. There is that other quote Lotl found from the RotS Play and Sound, Interactive novel: "Anakin and Obi Wan fight fiercely though the control room on Mustafar. They each tap into the force as they never have before." Likewise, the RotS novelization has Obi Wan letting go of more than just his attachment to Anakin - it notes him letting go of other attachments too, which would presumably appear in other fights as well. With those two points, it seems as if you can say: "Enlightened" Obi Wan > Mustafar Obi Wan > IH Obi Wan. This chain seems to work given that evidence; it's more just that it seems to be one of those chains drawn from hyper-analysis of specific quotes rather than a broader picture.
   
5. Is this a long-term amp or just something for the fight? -> I'd say that if there was an amp, the revelation wouldn't just fade away, though it might not remain at the same intensity. The OP is about the arguably amped Obi Wan anyway.
   

If Obi Wan is amped, I'd say he is beyond Arcann. If he is not amped, then I'm unsure on IH Obi Wan vs. Arcann, and Mustafar Obi Wan is still somehow able to survive against tier 9+ Vader, so he might win anyway.