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Jedi_Jesus
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Luminara VS Prime Kanan (Canon Only) Empty Luminara VS Prime Kanan (Canon Only)

on June 25th 2020, 7:40 pm
All out 
35 meters apart 
Location: the platforms of Kamino 


Bonus: both padawans join their masters
The lord of hunger
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on June 25th 2020, 8:36 pm
i go kanan primarly becuase by season 3 he should be superior to ventress 

bonus round: the pt jedi have the edge dont know how ezra can handle bariss


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BreakofDawn
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on June 25th 2020, 8:58 pm
Kanan, goodish fight.
Bergmar
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on June 25th 2020, 9:27 pm
Luminara stomps
BreakofDawn
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on June 25th 2020, 9:42 pm
@Bergmar wrote:Luminara stomps
Why?
HellfireUnit
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on June 25th 2020, 11:19 pm
Luminara creams.
Bergmar
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on June 25th 2020, 11:48 pm
BoD wrote:
@Bergmar wrote:Luminara stomps
Why?


Because she is de-facto jedi council member, and he is only jedi knight. And Kenan himself said that she was much better than him.
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on June 25th 2020, 11:59 pm
@Bergmar wrote:
BoD wrote:
@Bergmar wrote:Luminara stomps
Why?


Because she is de-facto jedi council member, and he is only jedi knight. And Kenan himself said that she was much better than him.

Being a council member doesn't mean anything. Anakin is a Jedi Knight and would murderstomp Luminara. Ahsoka was a Padawan and yet she has better feats than Luminara.

Also, Kanan said that prior to his growth.
Bergmar
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on June 26th 2020, 1:26 am
@HellfireUnit wrote:

Being a council member doesn't mean anything. Anakin is a Jedi Knight and would murderstomp Luminara. Ahsoka was a Padawan and yet she has better feats than Luminara.

Also, Kanan said that prior to his growth.

I would not say that Ahsoka is better than Luminara, my opinion they are around equal. In the Jedi council accepted only the most powerful, so still it means something. Anakin doesn’t count, because he is supposedly "chosen one". Kenan is not. And in 3 years he hasn’t grown so much.

MO Anakin>>Luminara>=Ahsoka>>Kenan.
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on June 26th 2020, 2:16 am
@Bergmar wrote:
BoD wrote:
@Bergmar wrote:Luminara stomps
Why?


Because she is de-facto jedi council member, and he is only jedi knight. And Kenan himself said that she was much better than him.
As HFU said, being a Jedi Council member is meaningless here. Kanan is also referred to in several sources (including StarWars.com) as being a master by the time of his death. Kanan also said that around the same time he was getting stomped by the GI. His prime is far beyond that point.
Underachiever599
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on June 26th 2020, 6:06 am
Being a council member doesn't mean being among the most powerful Jedi. Jocasta Nu was a council member. 

Ignoring standing within the Jedi Order, and instead looking purely at feats, Kanan should take this with some difficulty.
Bergmar
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on June 26th 2020, 8:54 am
BoD wrote:
As HFU said, being a Jedi Council member is meaningless here. Kanan is also referred to in several sources (including StarWars.com) as being a master by the time of his death. Kanan also said that around the same time he was getting stomped by the GI. His prime is far beyond that point.

Even at the time of death he suddenly became a master, Luminara at her prime was already master for 13 years.


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on June 26th 2020, 10:18 am
Luminara via not being oneshot-disarmed by Ruhk
SithSauce
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on June 26th 2020, 11:51 am
Yeh being a council member means jack. Just look at Ima Gun Di.
Kanan wins in a close one
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on June 26th 2020, 11:53 am
Luminara should win
Underachiever599
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on June 26th 2020, 11:55 am
@SithSauce wrote:Yeh being a council member means jack. Just look at Ima Gun Di.
Kanan wins in a close one
Ima-Gun Di wasn't a council member, though?

Although technically, neither was Luminara, so it doesn't really hold any bearing on this match up. Luminara was more like Quinlan Vos. A skilled Jedi Master that the council called on for specific duties. Though judging by the Clone Wars episodes she's in, those duties are more intelligence-based and strategy-based, not combat-oriented. 

I still firmly stand by my belief that Kanan takes this. Luminara has nothing to her name other than losing to some zombie bugs and losing to Asajj Ventress in a very short duel.
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on June 26th 2020, 12:05 pm
@Bergmar wrote:
BoD wrote:
As HFU said, being a Jedi Council member is meaningless here. Kanan is also referred to in several sources (including StarWars.com) as being a master by the time of his death. Kanan also said that around the same time he was getting stomped by the GI. His prime is far beyond that point.

Even at the time of death he suddenly became a master, Luminara at her prime was already master for 13 years.
You haven't even defined Luminara at her "prime." 

Simply stating she is a master doesn't mean much, especially when you consider that you can be a master on Yoda's level, or Shaak Ti's level. Both are Jedi Masters, yet the gap between them is exponential. And like others have mentioned, she's a master, and yet Anakin (just a mere Jedi Knight) would utterly destroy her.
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on June 26th 2020, 1:49 pm
@CuckedCurry wrote:Luminara via not being oneshot-disarmed by Ruhk

Isn't rukh "insensible " to kanan? I thought that was confirmed and that was why he lost. He couldn't fight what he xouldnt sense or see
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on June 26th 2020, 11:26 pm
Bro they literally duelled and Ruhk does a backflip and disarmed him
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on June 26th 2020, 11:41 pm
@CuckedCurry wrote:Bro they literally duelled and Ruhk does a backflip and disarmed him
Literally  where does this answer my question Luminara VS Prime Kanan (Canon Only) 1019854026
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on June 27th 2020, 9:50 pm
Even at the time of death he suddenly became a master, Luminara at her prime was already master for 13 years.


And? Being a master means, frankly, nothing. Ima Gun-Di was a master, so was Master Halsey, and so was Jaro Tapal. At least two of those were masters for roughly as long - if not quite a bit longer - than Obi-Wan, as was Luminara. If your argument is that being a master for longer equates to greater skill, then Luminara > Obi-Wan or Anakin. 


Bro they literally duelled and Ruhk does a backflip and disarmed him

Wasn't Luminara captured by a few Geonosians? I'd say being disarmed (more dropping his lightsaber than Ruhk actually relieving him of it) by a lucky hit from a highly trained assassin > being captured by fodder that 14 year old Ahsoka Tano could wreck.
Gianfi
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on June 28th 2020, 2:05 am
Luminara
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on June 28th 2020, 2:11 am
BoD wrote:
Even at the time of death he suddenly became a master, Luminara at her prime was already master for 13 years.


And? Being a master means, frankly, nothing. Ima Gun-Di was a master, so was Master Halsey, and so was Jaro Tapal. At least two of those were masters for roughly as long - if not quite a bit longer - than Obi-Wan, as was Luminara. If your argument is that being a master for longer equates to greater skill, then Luminara > Obi-Wan or Anakin.

Ima Gun-Di and Halsey are not de-facto council members, and she is. Only the most powerful Jedi out of 10,000 are accepted into the council, you know? If not Palpatine, the council would take her, and not Anakin. I am writing this for the second time. If Ventress had not used dirty tricks, it is still unknown how the duel would have ended. Before she broke the pipe, they fought on equal. And in season 3, Ventress fought on equal with Anakin. I do not claim that Luminara is same level as Anakin, but she is definitely stronger than Kenan.
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on June 28th 2020, 4:14 am
Ima Gun-Di and Halsey are not de-facto council members, and she is

@Bergmar

Luminara was not, nor was she ever, a Council member.


Only the most powerful Jedi out of 10,000 are accepted into the council, you know? If not Palpatine, the council would take her, and not Anakin. 

You've disproved your own point. You're either claiming Lumina > Anakin in power, or that the Jedi Council aren't chosen based solely upon power. It's redundant anyway, since she wasn't a Council member.



If Ventress had not used dirty tricks, it is still unknown how the duel would have ended. Before she broke the pipe, they fought on equal. And in season 3, Ventress fought on equal with Anakin.

An earlier version of Ventress. Season 3 Ventress was much better than season 1. Ventress and Luminara were also fighting on a narrow walkway, which limited Ventress (who's an acrobatic, dual-wielding fighter), and even then she landed more hits on Luminara than vice versa and then briefly took on Luminara and Ahsoka at the same time. 



I do not claim that Luminara is same level as Anakin, 

That's what you're doing by using the two as a form of comparison and saying they performed more or less equally well against Ventress.


but she is definitely stronger than Kenan.

You've still yet to prove this. Ventress is not a good baseline for this since that was a much earlier Ventress who was stomped by season 1 Obi-Wan (who was a few months post-AOTC at best).

I also didn't intend to mention this, but Filoni also directly compares the GI and Ventress (noting that the GI is less powerful, though). Considering that Kanan defeated him and the huge gap between S1 Kanan and Kanan at the time of his death, it's not illogical to think he's comparable or superior to canon Ventress in his prime, at least as of her appearances in the early seasons.
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on June 28th 2020, 11:42 am
BoD wrote:
Luminara was not, nor was she ever, a Council member.

I also didn't intend to mention this, but Filoni also directly compares the GI and Ventress (noting that the GI is less powerful, though). Considering that Kanan defeated him and the huge gap between S1 Kanan and Kanan at the time of his death, it's not illogical to think he's comparable or superior to canon Ventress in his prime, at least as of her appearances in the early seasons.


I said she is a DE FACTO council member, like Qui-Gon, Pong Krell etc. I'm writing this for the third time why. Because in episode 3, the Council wanted to take her, and Palpatine insisted on Anakin. They wanted to take her even earlier, but they did not take her only because of her insolence.

Kenan defeated Grand Inquisitor only with the help of Ezra. In season 2, he could not even defeat the ordinary inquisitor. And honestly, I did not see much difference between him in the 2nd and 4th seasons.
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