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on Fri 17 Apr - 6:34
Who are your top 5? Try to quantify this by thinking about their ideologies, (what they think) and actions (what they've done).

1: profoundly immoral and wicked.
2: not conforming to accepted standards of morality.


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on Fri 17 Apr - 6:40
1- my mom in a bad mood
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on Fri 17 Apr - 6:49
Define evil
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on Fri 17 Apr - 6:50
read my comment above.
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on Fri 17 Apr - 6:53
@KingofBlades wrote:Define evil

1: profoundly immoral and wicked.
2: not conforming to accepted standards of morality.


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on Fri 17 Apr - 9:53
1. The Darkstaff
2. Darth Sidious / Tenebrae
3. Darth Sidious / Tenebrae
4. Sel-Makor
5. Gethzerion / Kueller / The World Razer

The Dread Masters are an afterthought.
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on Fri 17 Apr - 10:53
SEL MAKOR
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on Fri 17 Apr - 12:49
anyone who has ever desired the well-being of anyone who isn't themselves isn't qualified to be on the list

Nihilus: Loved his family/allies before he lost everything
Malgus: Loved his wife
Calphayus: Loved his wife
Talzin: Valued Maul and Savage
Plagueis: Valued Sidious
Kun: Friends with Ulic
The Son: Loved his sister
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on Fri 17 Apr - 12:53
@Geistalt wrote:anyone who has ever desired the well-being of anyone who isn't themselves is disqualified

Nihilus: Loved his family/allies before he lost everything
Malgus: Loved his wife
Calphayus: Loved his wife
Talzin: Valued Maul and Savage
Plagueis: Valued Sidious
Kun: Friends with Ulic
The Son: Loved his sister

You realise that means about 90% of Sith are excluded; right?
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on Fri 17 Apr - 12:55
Yes.
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on Fri 17 Apr - 13:46
I would throw Vader on there as the Vader persona, it's basically the antithesis of good designed to distract from self pity and pain
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on Fri 17 Apr - 13:48
Even then, he had the potential for good.

He ended up sacrificing himself to save his son. And he loved Padmé in the past.
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on Fri 17 Apr - 14:04
No that's Anakin. Different character different psychology
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on Fri 17 Apr - 14:10
You really just want to fangasm over Vader.

Which argument would you prefer to contest; Luke saying "I feel the good in you, the conflict," Padmé saying on her deathbed "There is still good in [Anakin]," or the line from the RotS novel saying "There was no Vader. There was only you. Is you. You did it. You killed her"?

Because the idea of separating the Vader persona from Anakin is making a mask that literally has no character/person behind it, no one with any personality, good or evil.
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on Fri 17 Apr - 14:38
No, ROTS leads into Dark Lord where he rejects responsibility and rejects his Anakin reality he buries himself in the extinction of the jedi and casually commits genocide and child murder multiple times. Vader is not seperate from Anakin in a classic sense, Vader exists because of Anakin being unable to accept what has happened.

And no, this isn't a fangasm, this is some dumb kid on the internet correcting me on a subject I know far more about.
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on Fri 17 Apr - 14:53
"The great Darth Vader was a sick man in an iron mask! Yes, that mask inspired terror throughout the galaxy, but the feeble heart within was forever possessed by the impotent side of the Force!"
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on Fri 17 Apr - 15:18
Anyway, weird restrictions aside:

1. Vitiate. 
2. Sidious.
3. Nihilus.
4. Abeloth.
5. Vader.
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on Fri 17 Apr - 15:23
@Geistalt Also:


anyone who has ever desired the well-being of anyone who isn't themselves is disqualified

By this logic:

Hitler wasn't evil because he cared about his dog.
Mengele wasn't evil because he had a wife and son.
Stalin wasn't evil because he loved his second wife.
Jimmy Savile wasn't evil because he helped out at charity events.
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on Fri 17 Apr - 15:24
Not that they weren't evil; they just weren't pure evil.

“You were far too trusting, Plagueis. No true Sith can ever really care about another. This has always been known. There is no way but my way.”

While there are other evils, the most potent evil is hatred, and possibly love exclusively for oneself.

And, in truth, they tend to go hand-in-hand with most of these characters.
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on Fri 17 Apr - 15:27
That doesn't even make sense. A being can still be full of hatred (i.e. Hitler for Jews, blacks, gays, disabled people, etc) and still have some weird form of love (for his dog). 

The OP isn't asking us to provide characters who have absolutely no positive traits, just characters who are "profoundly immoral or wicked". All of the aforementioned characters tick that box.

Also, Sidious showed some kind of empathy for Vader on Mustafar. Does that make him not evil?
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on Fri 17 Apr - 15:29
The desire for others to suffer is objectively evil.


I'm not saying Hitler's love for his dog makes him GOOD; I'm saying he could be worse if he hated the dog and tortured it.
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on Fri 17 Apr - 15:37
That doesn't detract from Hitler's nature as an evil person. Desiring pain and death makes you an evil person according to the majority of people. Just because Hitler cared about his dog doesn't take away that he was incredibly evil. You're hypothesising that "pure evil" exists, when every being - even Star Wars characters like Sidious - have the potential for good or can be argued to have positive traits (e.g. Sidious preparing for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion and showing compassion to Vader after Mustafar). Even the most evil people believe that they are good and are doing the right thing. 

The world doesn't work by going "well Hitler wasn't pure evil because he liked dogs." It works by saying "Jimmy Savile was a monster who sexually assaulted, abused and traumatised over 1,000 young girls and boys while in a position of trust. Just because he helped out at charity events doesn't offset that he was an incredibly evil man", or "Hitler tried to commit genocide against innocent people who were doing nothing to him or harming society as a whole. He was a monster."
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on Fri 17 Apr - 15:41
There can be people who only value their own well-being, and also want to see how much harm and suffering they can get away with causing.

Actions and people may not be 100% good or evil in real life, but the emotions that drive them are. The emotion that is most evil in my opinion is hatred, and therefore, how evil someone is can be gauged by how much they hate other people.
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on Fri 17 Apr - 15:43
Or find pleasure in making them suffer.
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on Fri 17 Apr - 17:12
@BoD Why is Vitiate more evil than Sidious?

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