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lorenzo.r.2nd
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on April 6th 2020, 1:31 pm
So, Latham and I disagreed on how to picture Grievous as a fighter/duelist. He goes by the idea that he uses speed, power, and other advantages to overcome opponents, and that he doesnt need nor have any skill. I disagree, and go by the idea that he would need skill to overcome or defeat jedi who are just as fast, strong, and who have precog and sensing on their. What do u guys think?
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on April 6th 2020, 1:47 pm
I said that Grievous lacked the finesse of a master swordsman because that's what the LFL website said:

"The droid general had been trained in lightsaber combat by Count Dooku. Grievous lacked the finesses of a master swordsman, and instead used brute and whirlwind tactics against Kenobi. Grievous' artificial anatomy allowed him to wield four lightsabers at once, and spin them like deadly buzzsaws. But, since he could not use the Force, Kenobi was able to anticipate his blows, and counter them. Obi-Wan sheared off several of Grievous' lightsaber hands, and forced the General to flee." -- StarWars.com Databank: Obi-Wan Kenobi (old).
TheNuisanceBird
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on April 12th 2020, 11:47 am
What lunacy is that. 

Grievous even before his cybernetic reconstruction was already a physically powerful and skilled warrior. His cybernetic enhancements only took this forward. He was trained personally by Dooku and trained his magnaguards to the point where Jedi were able to recognize Dooku's influence and Mace, the creator of Vaapad, considered Greivous's application of it, "close enough". 

Grievous within the lore clearly does have skill. 

If this were canon Grievous I'd sorta understand that because he does come off as just wildly hacking at people and having to resort to using underhanded tactics.
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on April 12th 2020, 12:18 pm
Grievous is monstrously skilled what’s this Eugene question

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on April 12th 2020, 2:03 pm
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:So, Latham and I disagreed on how to picture Grievous as a fighter/duelist. He goes by the idea that he uses speed, power, and other advantages to overcome opponents, and that he doesnt need nor have any skill. I disagree, and go by the idea that he would need skill to overcome or defeat jedi who are just as fast, strong, and who have precog and sensing on their. What do u guys think?
Grievous is faster than any Force user, precog is what Jedi need to keep up with him. Dooku was critical of Grievous's lack of finesse and elegance. He's more skilled than C level duelists but he's not on the same level as Kenobi and Maul or even Ventress.


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on April 12th 2020, 2:08 pm
@Latham2000 wrote:I said that Grievous lacked the finesse of a master swordsman because that's what the LFL website said:

"The droid general had been trained in lightsaber combat by Count Dooku. Grievous lacked the finesses of a master swordsman, and instead used brute and whirlwind tactics against Kenobi. Grievous' artificial anatomy allowed him to wield four lightsabers at once, and spin them like deadly buzzsaws. But, since he could not use the Force, Kenobi was able to anticipate his blows, and counter them. Obi-Wan sheared off several of Grievous' lightsaber hands, and forced the General to flee." -- StarWars.com Databank: Obi-Wan Kenobi (old).

I typed this on mobile here's the actual quote in question, from the databank dating all the way back to 2005:

"The droid general had been trained in lightsaber combat by Count Dooku. Grievous lacked the finesses of a master swordsman, and instead used brute and whirlwind tactics against Kenobi. Grievous' artificial anatomy allowed him to wield four lightsabers at once, and spin them like deadly buzzsaws. But, since he could not use the Force, Kenobi was able to anticipate his blows, and counter them. Obi-Wan sheared off several of Grievous' lightsaber hands, and forced the General to flee." -- StarWars.com Databank: Obi-Wan Kenobi (old)

Grievous lacks the finnesses of a master swordsman, but makes up for it. So he's still a force to be reckoned with.
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on April 12th 2020, 3:03 pm
Referring to Movie Grievous, after George shifted his view for the character.
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on April 12th 2020, 3:14 pm
The databank isn't G canon, it's C canon, and it also takes the EU into consideration. In what context did he shift his view for Grievous, other than turning him into a coward?
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on April 12th 2020, 3:44 pm
@Latham2000 wrote:The databank isn't G canon, it's C canon, and it also takes the EU into consideration. In what context did he shift his view for Grievous, other than turning him into a coward?
Lucas's idea for Grievous was based on the steriotypical, moustache twirling old style movie villain with an accent who runs away when cornered by the heroes. It wasn't that he shifted his views for Grievous. He always had this idea for Grievous to begin with. It's just that he introduced the character to the creators of the Clone Wars micro series in the very early stages of the making of Revenge of the Sith. So they had no idea who this character was so they made their own spin of him completely outside of Lucas's vision.
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on April 12th 2020, 3:45 pm
One could still be a great warrior and not have finesse, if anything by master swordsman, it could be referring to Jedi and Sith who are basically head and shoulders above others when it comes to swordplay and have completely tooled other master swordsman with ease, which can't be said for Grevious since he was trained by Count Dooku.

So if anything it could be seen more like

Jedi/Sith(not all, but for simplicity sake) > Grevious >>>>>>>> Master Swordsman(others who are not Jedi/Sith within the galaxy.)

Now obviously this isn't straight cut across the board, but still.
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