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Rohirrim
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:21 am
Okay, so this might be a somewhat atypical blog, in the sense that it is not my intention to provide comprehensive nor definitive evidence in order to tackle misconceptions. Instead, I'd rather just give my opinion on what it is that makes General Grievous a unique lightsaber duelist -beyond his lack of Force ability- and how it might permeate the fights he's involved in.

General fighting prowess

First, I'd like to point out that despite his apparent inferiority to his Legends counterpart, General Grievous is still a formidable warrior and Jedi hunter. This is best portrayed in the Age of Republic comic series, where he is said to have slaughtered "countless Jedi".

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He is also shown promptly overwhelming a Jedi Master in combat and blitzing a Padawan.

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Therefore, Grievous' skill should be well beyond the capabilities of most Jedi. It takes an opponent on the level of Council members such as Eeth Koth or Kit Fisto to stand a chance against the General. Given his liking for cybernetic enhancements, it's also likely that Grievous improved his mechanical body to become even more dangerous over the course of the Clone Wars.

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Unorthodox style and physicals

Thanks to his enhanced physicals, General Grievous is an excellent brawler, putting his extra arms to good use against Obi-Wan Kenobi and taking him by surprise a couple of times. He is also able to send his enemies flying with a single kick, but perhaps most significant is the amount of times he is successful in landing said kicks.

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I suspect the unusual reach of his mechanical legs makes it easier for him to catch his opponents off-guard, as they aren't used to fighting someone of the General's physical constitution. Because of this, even though usually a superior duelist would land more physical strikes on a less skilled combatant, I theorize that some instances of the General kicking his foes are not reflective of Grievous' relative skill to them. This would explain some of his showings against arguably superior opponents, such as Darth Maul, Asajj Ventress (who goes on to beat him shortly after getting kicked) or Eeth Koth (who floors Grievous and forces the accompanying MagnaGuards to intervene).

Four-armed threat

As depicted above, General Grievous uses up to four lightsabers simultaneously in order to overwhelm his Jedi enemies. But he's also been shown losing one or two of his hands against the likes of Depa Billaba, Kit Fisto or Obi-Wan Kenobi. However, it should be noted that those feats by themselves don't prove their superiority over Grievous. For one, after Depa deprived him of two hands, Grievous went on to slash her in the back and looked like he was about to beat her when Clone Troopers opened fire on him.

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I'd wager Grievous tends to get reckless when fighting with four lightsabers, only to take duels more seriously after he is deprived of some of his weapons.

Although Grievous didn't do so well in his fight with Fisto, the nautolan Jedi Master might have taken advantage of both the foggy environment and then the fact that he inflicted the first successful strike. As is explained in Fisto's entry in the Star Wars Character Encyclopedia - Updated and Expanded, Kit's "tentacles are highly sensitive and allow him to detect others' emotions. This ability allows Fisto to take instant advantage of an opponent's uncertainty in combat."

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There's also Grievous being recently repaired and told that he needed "his rest", for what that's worth.

Grievous' fight with Obi-Wan is likely the less circumstantial of the three. It should be noted, however, that despite losing two hands, Grievous seemed fairly confident up until Obi-Wan used the Force to push him into the ceiling. It seems to me that he felt like he could still make a comeback, which is somewhat odd considering the General's infamous cowardice.

Again, I'm aware most of this is highly speculative stuff, I just felt some of these things may be worth considering when looking at Grievous' showings. Anyways, I'm sure you can shed more light on this topic and I'd like to know what you guys think.
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:42 am
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Very nice.
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:14 am
RGR, good work. Ask @jake to help you sourcing this quote, but there is a quote about Grevious being able to solo the entire cadre of praetorian guards that Kylo and Rey Fought, it's easily his best Saber accolade, those guards were top tier.
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:49 am
excellent blog, It certainly promotes canon grievus as a combatant. Although my opinion of him as a character hasn’t changed.
Rohirrim
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:07 am
In-sidiousvader wrote:RGR, good work. Ask @jake to help you sourcing this quote, but there is a quote about Grevious being able to solo the entire cadre of praetorian guards that Kylo and Rey Fought, it's easily his best Saber accolade, those guards were top tier.
Wow, that's certainly a big deal, I'll definitely ask him about it.
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:39 pm
Nice.
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Mon May 06, 2019 1:55 pm
Good job! Canon Grievous is still a worthy oponent despite his vast inferiority to Legends Grievous ( as an combatant and character)
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Fri May 10, 2019 5:07 pm
Interesting analysis.
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Sat May 11, 2019 7:17 am
I find Canon Grievous more interesting, tbh.
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:06 pm
They kind of ruined him in the movies, he could of been an enforcer-like character like Vader, but no. I'm not saying *exactly* like Vader, just not like Dooku again.
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:15 pm
Can't ruin a character who was intended to be portrayed as a weak coward by portraying him like that.
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:28 pm
Nice blog.

Did a source ever pop up for that Grievous > Praetorian guard quote?
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:41 pm
@King Joker wrote:Nice blog.

Did a source ever pop up for that Grievous > Praetorian guard quote?

You can check the video on https://www.starwars.com/star-wars-fan-awards/short-video-winners , though I think it is fan-made.
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:11 pm
@BreakofDawn wrote:Can't ruin a character who was intended to be portrayed as a weak coward by portraying him like that.
The problem was he is originally portrayed as a ruthless villain/warrior akin to Vader in the Clone Wars Microseries. Then Grievous never lived up to the hype in Revenge of the Sith.
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Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:49 pm
Isv wrote:RGR, good work. Ask @jake to help you sourcing this quote, but there is a quote about Grevious being able to solo the entire cadre of praetorian guards that Kylo and Rey Fought, it's easily his best Saber accolade, those guards were top tier.
If that's the case then holy shit does this continue to lower Kylo further as a duelist
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Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:51 pm
@Rohirrim wrote:
@King Joker wrote:Nice blog.

Did a source ever pop up for that Grievous > Praetorian guard quote?

You can check the video on https://www.starwars.com/star-wars-fan-awards/short-video-winners , though I think it is fan-made.
Yeh that doesn't prove anything. If it's fanmade than it isn't canon.
Just being real here
Rohirrim
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Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:59 pm
@The Witness wrote:
@Rohirrim wrote:
@King Joker wrote:Nice blog.

Did a source ever pop up for that Grievous > Praetorian guard quote?

You can check the video on https://www.starwars.com/star-wars-fan-awards/short-video-winners , though I think it is fan-made.
Yeh that doesn't prove anything. If it's fanmade than it isn't canon.
Just being real here

Yup, I wouldn't put any stock into it.
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Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:40 am
Quotes from fan-made sources hold no meaning, at all.
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Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:30 pm
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In Canon book Dark Disciple I find this kinda cool,  where it said "Vos took away his lightsaber, but Grievous wasn't completely useless (without his lightsaber), as he spread all four arms wide, then charged. Vos met him halfway. the two clashed in midair. Grievous was the heavier (his cybernetic armor are durable and were made with Durasteel and Duranium), and his momentum carried them back toward the wall. Laughing sadistically, Grievous closed both hands around Vos's throat. He threw Vos hard intending to slam him down into the unyielding stone of the walkaway. Grievous's mistake was in letting Vos out of his grasp, and Vos landed in an easy crouch."
Grievous also fought Ventress fo the second time, "Grievous seized Ventress with his four hands and hurled her down to the level below them. She slammed against the wall beside one of the elegant windows and crumpled to the ledge. She was taking a bad beating, she realized in some distant part of her mind. The earlier blow to her skull should have killed her."

Oh and in The Clone Wars, people were actually wrong about Grievous losing a lot, Grievous actually gain couple of win, defeated Ahsoka in Skytop Station, Nahdar Vebb (only because Filoni wanted to show how the Jedi are losing their way), Obi-Wan in Bound for Rescue/Crystal Crisis and Adi Gallia. Only lost against Obi-Wan in Kamino/Grievous Intrigue and Ventress in Massacre (still a huge miss opportunity to give him, his first intense duel).
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Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:35 pm
On (canon) General Grievous Bro
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Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:37 pm
Good post. Canon Grievous is extremely underrated.
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