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lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Three
How strong and skilled is...
January 12th 2020, 1:21 am
Enraged ROTS Dooku.
Jedi Dooku who never left the order in a sense of focus much likes the one Obi Wan uses.
Vader without mental constraints of any sort.
Vader in a Grievous-like cyborg body.
Obi Wan if he never stopped training after ROTS.
Light sider Vader.
Mace Windu in a perfect sense of focus, just like the one Obi Wan often uses.
Mace Windu when greatly enraged.
Rebels Maul with nonstop training and no mental 'disabilities'.
Sidious with non stop training in both sabers and the force from Plagueis taking him in, to ROTJ.
Vitiate if he focused on fighting more than anything else.
Kun if he had never been imprisoned/sealed and died at the age of 90.
Ulic if he had never been cut off from the force.
Revan if he focused 100% on dueling.
Sedriss but with Vader's training for 20 years.
Maul if he had never 'died' in TPM and succeeded his mission, but died at ANH.
Prime Zannah.
Meetra if she had lived to the age of 80.
Nihilus if he had lived to the age 80.
Kreia with using Muur's necklace/amulet, Muur included.
Vader if he had accepted Muur's offer, 20 years later.
Jedi Dooku who never left the order in a sense of focus much likes the one Obi Wan uses.
Vader without mental constraints of any sort.
Vader in a Grievous-like cyborg body.
Obi Wan if he never stopped training after ROTS.
Light sider Vader.
Mace Windu in a perfect sense of focus, just like the one Obi Wan often uses.
Mace Windu when greatly enraged.
Rebels Maul with nonstop training and no mental 'disabilities'.
Sidious with non stop training in both sabers and the force from Plagueis taking him in, to ROTJ.
Vitiate if he focused on fighting more than anything else.
Kun if he had never been imprisoned/sealed and died at the age of 90.
Ulic if he had never been cut off from the force.
Revan if he focused 100% on dueling.
Sedriss but with Vader's training for 20 years.
Maul if he had never 'died' in TPM and succeeded his mission, but died at ANH.
Prime Zannah.
Meetra if she had lived to the age of 80.
Nihilus if he had lived to the age 80.
Kreia with using Muur's necklace/amulet, Muur included.
Vader if he had accepted Muur's offer, 20 years later.
- MPModerator | Champion of Darkness
Re: How strong and skilled is...
January 15th 2020, 9:42 pm
Enraged ROTS Dooku is probably weaker than his usual self.
Suit Vader without ANY mental limitations is beyond the emperor.
TPM Maul would have succeeded Sidious at some point, that's if Dooku wasn't successful in hunting him down and avenging Qui-Gon's death.
That's all I care to comment on.
Suit Vader without ANY mental limitations is beyond the emperor.
TPM Maul would have succeeded Sidious at some point, that's if Dooku wasn't successful in hunting him down and avenging Qui-Gon's death.
That's all I care to comment on.
The lord of hungerLevel Two
Re: How strong and skilled is...
January 15th 2020, 10:12 pm
Suit vader without mental issues beyond papa sheev
Dooku enraged probably stronger than ever
Rotj sidious with full training on both lightsaber and the forcé possibly beyond DE versión
Revan if he mastered the lightsaber yoda tier
Vitiate if he follow a life with battles and fightning possibly plagueis tier
Thats all i can think off and comment in this thread
Dooku enraged probably stronger than ever
Rotj sidious with full training on both lightsaber and the forcé possibly beyond DE versión
Revan if he mastered the lightsaber yoda tier
Vitiate if he follow a life with battles and fightning possibly plagueis tier
Thats all i can think off and comment in this thread
CuckedCurryLevel Four
Re: How strong and skilled is...
January 16th 2020, 2:37 am
Enraged ROTS Dooku—already saw it YDR, rage amplifies him.
Jedi Dooku who never left the order in a sense of focus much likes the one Obi Wan uses—with his potential, he probs would have been bordering ROTS Wankatine level
Vader without mental constraints of any sort—miles beyond ROTJ Vader, likely Wankatine level.
Vader in a Grievous-like cyborg body—Death Star says he would have been miles superior in better armour
Obi Wan if he never stopped training after ROTS—beyond Dooku, sub Sidious
Light sider Vader—probably would have been executed
Mace Windu in a perfect sense of focus, just like the one Obi Wan often uses—Obi-Wan’s focus is more natural that Windu’s connection to Vaapad. Don’t know if Windu would have benefitted with it as much as Kenobi did though
Mace Windu when greatly enraged—worse than his normal self
Rebels Maul with nonstop training and no mental 'disabilities'—still sucks
Sidious with non stop training in both sabers and the force from Plagueis taking him in, to ROTJ—his explorations into MM would’ve been godly
Vitiate if he focused on fighting more than anything else—worse than his usual self
Kun if he had never been imprisoned/sealed and died at the age of 90–not touching Kun anymore
Ulic if he had never been cut off from the force—not touching Uliq
Revan if he focused 100% on dueling—would be below Dooku
Sedriss but with Vader's training for 20 years—Sedriss still sucks
Maul if he had never 'died' in TPM and succeeded his mission, but died at ANH—No idea. I wanna say Dooku level-ish but knowing Maul he would find a way to fail
Prime Zannah—Sub Cognus
Meetra if she had lived to the age of 80–don’t know, Traya’s death stripped her of a lot of her power iirc and I don’t know if she would have regained that level again
Nihilus if he had lived to the age 80–would have consumed most of the galaxy
Kreia with using Muur's necklace/amulet, Muur included—wrecks prime Krayt
Vader if he had accepted Muur's offer, 20 years later—no idea
Jedi Dooku who never left the order in a sense of focus much likes the one Obi Wan uses—with his potential, he probs would have been bordering ROTS Wankatine level
Vader without mental constraints of any sort—miles beyond ROTJ Vader, likely Wankatine level.
Vader in a Grievous-like cyborg body—Death Star says he would have been miles superior in better armour
Obi Wan if he never stopped training after ROTS—beyond Dooku, sub Sidious
Light sider Vader—probably would have been executed
Mace Windu in a perfect sense of focus, just like the one Obi Wan often uses—Obi-Wan’s focus is more natural that Windu’s connection to Vaapad. Don’t know if Windu would have benefitted with it as much as Kenobi did though
Mace Windu when greatly enraged—worse than his normal self
Rebels Maul with nonstop training and no mental 'disabilities'—still sucks
Sidious with non stop training in both sabers and the force from Plagueis taking him in, to ROTJ—his explorations into MM would’ve been godly
Vitiate if he focused on fighting more than anything else—worse than his usual self
Kun if he had never been imprisoned/sealed and died at the age of 90–not touching Kun anymore
Ulic if he had never been cut off from the force—not touching Uliq
Revan if he focused 100% on dueling—would be below Dooku
Sedriss but with Vader's training for 20 years—Sedriss still sucks
Maul if he had never 'died' in TPM and succeeded his mission, but died at ANH—No idea. I wanna say Dooku level-ish but knowing Maul he would find a way to fail
Prime Zannah—Sub Cognus
Meetra if she had lived to the age of 80–don’t know, Traya’s death stripped her of a lot of her power iirc and I don’t know if she would have regained that level again
Nihilus if he had lived to the age 80–would have consumed most of the galaxy
Kreia with using Muur's necklace/amulet, Muur included—wrecks prime Krayt
Vader if he had accepted Muur's offer, 20 years later—no idea
The EllimistLevel Five
Re: How strong and skilled is...
January 16th 2020, 6:56 am
lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:Enraged ROTS Dooku.
If rage amp depends on potential, probably not that much stronger if RotS Dooku is already near his peak. He might get less focus and competence.
Jedi Dooku who never left the order in a sense of focus much likes the one Obi Wan uses.
Probably somewhat weaker than Sith Dooku, albeit with less dark side aging maybe. Should still be a mid-tier 8.
If by "focus" you mean Mustafar Obi Wan, then he may be as stronger as or stronger than Sith Dooku.
Vader without mental constraints of any sort.
Suited Vader? I don't know - it seems like he really did lose potential, but it's possible that he could've been RotS Sidious tier by RotJ (as a guess).
Vader in a Grievous-like cyborg body.
His saber skills would be even beyond his Force power instead of lagging behind it. I'd say he'd be a high-tier 8.
Obi Wan if he never stopped training after ROTS.
I think he could've surpassed Dooku (maybe temporarily did on Mustafar anyway).
Light sider Vader.
Perhaps similar to unrestrained Vader.
Mace Windu in a perfect sense of focus, just like the one Obi Wan often uses.
Probably similar to the peak vaapad Mace.
Mace Windu when greatly enraged.
We saw that, except I guess he wouldn't necessarily have Sidious's power in the loop depending on circumstance, but I could still see a low tier 9.
Rebels Maul with nonstop training and no mental 'disabilities'.
Dunno, he supposedly lost potential, not sure if he could've surpassed Dooku.
Sidious with non stop training in both sabers and the force from Plagueis taking him in, to ROTJ.
Similar to what we already got.
Vitiate if he focused on fighting more than anything else.
Assuming he still gets Nathema and other amps, as a competent fighter combined with his haxx he'd stomp Revan.
Kun if he had never been imprisoned/sealed and died at the age of 90.
Probably novel Vitiate tier.
Ulic if he had never been cut off from the force.
Weaker than Kun?
Revan if he focused 100% on dueling.
Not as powerful given the imbalance of that.
Sedriss but with Vader's training for 20 years.
Well he apparently wasn't that powerful in Palpatine's eyes, so weaker than Vader or possibly weaker than Mara Jade.
Maul if he had never 'died' in TPM and succeeded his mission, but died at ANH.
Extrapolating from his potential I could see him being near Plagueis tier.
Prime Zannah.
Mildly stronger than Bane.
Meetra if she had lived to the age of 80.
I could see her reaching Nyriss's level.
Nihilus if he had lived to the age 80.
If he kept on consuming planets he could've surpassed Vitiate.
Kreia with using Muur's necklace/amulet, Muur included.
Still weaker than Nihilus probably.
Vader if he had accepted Muur's offer, 20 years later.
He perhaps could've used that to awaken some more of his potential, but IDK.
- lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Three
Re: How strong and skilled is...
January 16th 2020, 8:09 am
ok cool cool, i like those answers, very different here and there. interesting
SeturnaLevel One
Re: How strong and skilled is...
January 16th 2020, 4:42 pm
Jedi dooku would’ve supposedly been on par with yoda if he never left the jedi.
Dooku was a unique case in the history of the Jedi Order. Universally respected, he would have been a Master on a par with Yoda had he not abandoned the Order to join its greatest enemies.
Source: Insider #113
Dooku was a unique case in the history of the Jedi Order. Universally respected, he would have been a Master on a par with Yoda had he not abandoned the Order to join its greatest enemies.
Source: Insider #113
- lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Three
Re: How strong and skilled is...
January 16th 2020, 4:54 pm
thats somewhat ambiguous. it does speak to his hype and that his potential was higher than what we see he couldve achieved in ROTS. that much seems to be obvious and correct.
- The lord of hungerLevel Two
Re: How strong and skilled is...
January 16th 2020, 5:05 pm
lorenzo.r.2nd how powerful do you think anakin will become if he succeed in adquire his potential?
1- as a jedi
2- as a sith
1- as a jedi
2- as a sith
- lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Three
Re: How strong and skilled is...
January 16th 2020, 5:11 pm
prolly father level, or higher, at his max, light or dark side wont really matter in his case.
- The lord of hungerLevel Two
Re: How strong and skilled is...
January 16th 2020, 5:24 pm
mmm interesting answers he will be extremely powerful
BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: How strong and skilled is...
January 16th 2020, 5:42 pm
Enraged ROTS Dooku. - Weaker than his ROTS self, stronger than his TCW enraged self who was beating S4 Anakin.
Jedi Dooku who never left the order in a sense of focus much likes the one Obi Wan uses. - Eh, TPM Mace is probably where he peaked.
Vader without mental constraints of any sort. - Sidious level+.
Vader in a Grievous-like cyborg body. - Probably below Maul.
Obi Wan if he never stopped training after ROTS. - Approaching Dooku level at best.
Light sider Vader. - No clue. He probably would have kept his amp from killing Sheev.
Mace Windu in a perfect sense of focus, just like the one Obi Wan often uses. - ROTS Sheev level.
Mace Windu when greatly enraged. - No clue.
Rebels Maul with nonstop training and no mental 'disabilities'. - Ben Kenobi level.
Sidious with non stop training in both sabers and the force from Plagueis taking him in, to ROTJ. - We already saw this.
Vitiate if he focused on fighting more than anything else. - Fighting in what sense? His Force power would deteriorate.
Revan if he focused 100% on dueling. - Outlander level/borderline tier 9.
Vader if he had accepted Muur's offer, 20 years later. - Muur would have drained him dry and taken his body for himself by exploiting Vader's greed. He'd have stayed at 19 BBY Vader level, in all likelihood.
Jedi Dooku who never left the order in a sense of focus much likes the one Obi Wan uses. - Eh, TPM Mace is probably where he peaked.
Vader without mental constraints of any sort. - Sidious level+.
Vader in a Grievous-like cyborg body. - Probably below Maul.
Obi Wan if he never stopped training after ROTS. - Approaching Dooku level at best.
Light sider Vader. - No clue. He probably would have kept his amp from killing Sheev.
Mace Windu in a perfect sense of focus, just like the one Obi Wan often uses. - ROTS Sheev level.
Mace Windu when greatly enraged. - No clue.
Rebels Maul with nonstop training and no mental 'disabilities'. - Ben Kenobi level.
Sidious with non stop training in both sabers and the force from Plagueis taking him in, to ROTJ. - We already saw this.
Vitiate if he focused on fighting more than anything else. - Fighting in what sense? His Force power would deteriorate.
Revan if he focused 100% on dueling. - Outlander level/borderline tier 9.
Vader if he had accepted Muur's offer, 20 years later. - Muur would have drained him dry and taken his body for himself by exploiting Vader's greed. He'd have stayed at 19 BBY Vader level, in all likelihood.
O-Siri
Re: How strong and skilled is...
January 16th 2020, 6:03 pm
lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:Enraged ROTS Dooku.
@O-Siri: Not much diffrent. Dooku's always in a conditioned state of being enraged when in battle, as are all trained Sith Lords, he just hides under a callous demenour.
Obi Wan if he never stopped training after ROTS.
@O-Siri: Kenobi likely already peaked, he was a late bloomer as it was. There's only so far you can push your body before time and injuries begin to take their tole on you, especially at his age.
Maul if he had never 'died' in TPM and succeeded his mission, but died at ANH.
@O-Siri: Had a lot of room to grow that one did. Probubly would have been borderline unstoppable at the rate he was going.
Prime Zannah.
@O-Siri: Probubly not much diffrent from DoE, at least not in terms of physical prowess, maybe her sorcerry grew more advanced but then we never really saw that much of her sorcery in the novels.
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