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January 27th 2021, 3:18 pm
iamthatguy wrote:
And Anakin sometimes uses the DS as a Jedi such as during his fight against Dooku. Nothing has been contradicted.

All those sources describe Anakin when he's not embracing the darkside, so still contradicted.
How?
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January 27th 2021, 3:32 pm
How?

Wym how? I just told you: they all refer to Jedi Anakin, who isn't drawing on the darkside. Gillard indicated Jedi lightside Anakin was an 8, therefore the supremacy quotes are incorrect since a tier 8 (Anakin) cannot be above tier 9s (Yoda, Windu)
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January 27th 2021, 3:40 pm
iamthatguy wrote:
How?

Wym how? I just told you: they all refer to Jedi Anakin, who isn't drawing on the darkside.  Gillard indicated Jedi lightside Anakin was an 8, therefore the supremacy quotes are incorrect since a tier 8 (Anakin) cannot be above tier 9s (Yoda, Windu)
But Jedi Anakin does draw on the DS...
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January 27th 2021, 3:53 pm
But Jedi Anakin does draw on the DS...

Then I guess darkside Jedi Anakin is a tier 8 too per Gillard...
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January 27th 2021, 4:09 pm
Nope
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January 27th 2021, 4:29 pm
KingKopecz wrote:Nope

There's literally no way around this. All the sources claiming Anakin is the best Jedi (most of them refer to potential btw not even actualized power) are rendered incorrect by Gillard himself since he's confirmed an 8. Windu and Agen claiming Anakin is the strongest Jedi in the ROTS novel is just as contradictory since they haven't seen him go Zonakin, though it's ok for them to be incorrect since they're characters in the story and not OOU sources.
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January 27th 2021, 5:48 pm
iamthatguy wrote:
KingKopecz wrote:Nope

There's literally no way around this.  All the sources claiming Anakin is the best Jedi (most of them refer to potential btw not even actualized power) are rendered incorrect by Gillard himself since he's confirmed an 8.  Windu and Agen claiming Anakin is the strongest Jedi in the ROTS novel is just as contradictory since they haven't seen him go Zonakin, though it's ok for them to be incorrect since they're characters in the story and not OOU sources.
I feel as if we're just going in circles now. Anakin ever since LoE has been said to be the most powerful Jedi. Gillard having LS Anakin as an 8 doesn't contradict this as when using the DS he's a 9 and he does this when he's still a Jedi.
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January 27th 2021, 5:54 pm
2 bastard pages of this nonsensical garbage thread. Let’s make a Serra Keto v Yoda thread while we’re at it, seeing how she manages to physically pin KFV up to a pillar Rots game Drallig vs. Yoda - Page 2 2668642404
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January 27th 2021, 6:12 pm
iamthatguy wrote:
KingKopecz wrote:Nope

I feel as if we're just going in circles now. Anakin ever since LoE has been said to be the most powerful Jedi. Gillard having LS Anakin as an 8 doesn't contradict this as when using the DS he's a 9 and he does this when he's still a Jedi.

All the supremacy quotes refer to Jedi Anakin, meaning lightside Jedi Anakin, not darkside Jedi Anakin.
Claiming those quotes which refer to Anakin as "the best Jedi" or "as powerful as any Jedi" also refer to darkside Jedi Anakin is Mr.fantastic levels of reaching.

Anyway, Anakin doesn't have the feats to suggest he's in Yoda/Sidious league. Taking 10 seconds to kill Drallig compared to Sidious butchering the B-Team (who are all superior to Drallig) in 4 seconds is better than Anakin's showing, and Yoda is > Sidious.


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January 27th 2021, 6:13 pm
@CuckedCurry wrote:2 bastard pages of this nonsensical garbage thread. Let’s make a Serra Keto v Yoda thread while we’re at it, seeing how she manages to physically pin KFV up to a pillar Rots game Drallig vs. Yoda - Page 2 2668642404

And you just contributed more garbage Rots game Drallig vs. Yoda - Page 2 1668617588
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January 28th 2021, 2:54 am
Cry more babygirl
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January 28th 2021, 2:54 am
Yoda
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January 28th 2021, 3:13 am
What on earth
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January 28th 2021, 4:13 am
@Shimrra wrote:Yoda
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January 28th 2021, 11:47 am
@iamthatguy

Jedi Anakin who is a confirmed a tier 8 by Gillard
He isn't though the only Tier system quotes that mention Anakin say he is a 9, you could argue that that is referring to Anakin after he is turned to the Darkside but no where is Anakin ever stated to be an 8

rendering them incorrect since he's locked below tier 9. Thus the sources refer to potential power and not Anakin's actualized power
The Tier System is purely combative ability and has nothing to do with force power whatsoever, so no

Jedi Anakin is not a tier 9 by literal definition of being a Jedi and not using the darkside
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You can still be a Jedi and use the Darkside, or are you implying that Anakin when he taps into the Darkside in Episode 2 or on the invisible hand is no longer a Jedi? thats ridiculous, Mace taps into the Darkside when using Vapaad, is he no longer a Jedi for those brief moments? LOL

All those sources describe Anakin when he's not embracing the darkside, so still contradicted.
No lol, he is still a Jedi he is still Anakin, nothing is contradicted

they all refer to Jedi Anakin, who isn't drawing on the darkside.
Citation needed, sounds like your head canon to me

(most of them refer to potential btw not even actualized power)
Citation Needed, Again sounds like your head canon

meaning lightside Jedi Anakin, not darkside Jedi Anakin.
There is no such thing as Darkside Jedi Anakin, he taps into the Darkside from time to time, no where are the quotes indicated to exclude Anakin when he's tapping into the Darkside, that wouldn't even make sense, sounds like your head canon again

Anakin doesn't have the feats to suggest he's in Yoda/Sidious league
Stopping the Theta storm which Obi-wan highly doubted Yoda could do, also feats are irrelevant when Anakin is constantly stated to be the most powerful Jedi of the Era, your counter argument for that has no basis and is purely head canon, Yes Yoda has some quotes that contradict these, but that is why rough parity between the two is a generally accepted stance

Taking 10 seconds to kill Drallig compared to Sidious butchering the B-Team (who are all superior to Drallig)
How are they all superior to Drallig, Drallig is superior by almost all indicators, Especially Game Drallig who is Equal to Yoda given that he ragdolled KFV, also i dont even see your point here, in the Movie Anakin cut Drallig down instantly with one hand while choking out one of his Padawan's

But hey G- Canon is the highest level of canon and two G-Canon statements declare Anakin = Sidious
and by some indicators he is even > Sidious Rots game Drallig vs. Yoda - Page 2 1289255181





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January 29th 2021, 5:35 am
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January 29th 2021, 10:10 am
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Serra Keto got toyed with hard
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January 29th 2021, 11:56 am
She got no more toyed with than Drallig Rots game Drallig vs. Yoda - Page 2 1668617588
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January 29th 2021, 12:53 pm
@Nute_Chethray wrote:She got no more toyed with than Drallig Rots game Drallig vs. Yoda - Page 2 1668617588

Vader Toys with Keto, she does not pose any threat to him throughout the whole fight, he easily kills her whilst smiling, then Drallig comes in and ragdolls Vader to where Vader only beats Drallig with a cheap shot
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January 29th 2021, 1:42 pm
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@Nute_Chethray wrote:She got no more toyed with than Drallig Rots game Drallig vs. Yoda - Page 2 1668617588

Vader Toys with Keto, she does not pose any threat to him throughout the whole fight, he easily kills her whilst smiling, then Drallig comes in and ragdolls Vader to where Vader only beats Drallig with a cheap shot

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Doesn't look like he's toying with her.
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January 29th 2021, 1:52 pm
@BreakofDawn wrote:
@Vaelias wrote:
@Nute_Chethray wrote:She got no more toyed with than Drallig Rots game Drallig vs. Yoda - Page 2 1668617588

Vader Toys with Keto, she does not pose any threat to him throughout the whole fight, he easily kills her whilst smiling, then Drallig comes in and ragdolls Vader to where Vader only beats Drallig with a cheap shot

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Doesn't look like he's toying with her.

notice the smile on his face
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January 29th 2021, 3:24 pm
He's also using one hand... which is completely contrary to his normal fighting style.
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January 29th 2021, 3:33 pm
AA3 wrote:He's also using one hand... which is completely contrary to his normal fighting style.
Exactly, its also pretty clear he was leading Keto there so he could crush her with the column hence the casual one handed demeanor and smile, don't understand this notion that Keto is on Vader's level Rots game Drallig vs. Yoda - Page 2 815462187
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January 29th 2021, 5:19 pm
He isn't though the only Tier system quotes that mention Anakin say he is a 9, you could argue that that is referring to Anakin after he is turned to the Darkside but no where is Anakin ever stated to be an 8

https://i.servimg.com/u/f86/20/30/38/24/77452210.jpg

The Tier System is purely combative ability and has nothing to do with force power whatsoever, so no

Force power is directly correlated with dueling via augmentation.

You can still be a Jedi and use the Darkside, or are you implying that Anakin when he taps into the Darkside in Episode 2 or on the invisible hand is no longer a Jedi? thats ridiculous, Mace taps into the Darkside when using Vapaad, is he no longer a Jedi for those brief moments? LOL

I'm saying the quotes are referring to Anakin as a Jedi, as his lightside self, to make the distinction between light and dark Anakin regardless if he's a Jedi or not.  Lightside Anakin is an 8, darkside Anakin is a 9.  If you want to take the quotes at face value, and believe that Gillard was including darkside Jedi Anakin as a tier 8 (who stomped Dooku) then that's your opinion, though it is quite ridiculous imo.

No lol, he is still a Jedi he is still Anakin, nothing is contradicted

As I said, the quotes are making a distinction between lightside Anakin and darkside Anakin, regardless of if he's a Jedi.

Citation needed, sounds like your head canon to me

Because Gillard called Jedi Anakin an 8.  He's clearly referring to lightside Jedi Anakin, and not darkside Jedi Anakin.  If he was referring to Zonakin as a tier 8, that would literally make no sense.

Citation Needed, Again sounds like your head canon

Because quotes such as "most powerful" don't always refer to actualized power.  Give me sources which explicitly say Anakin as a Jedi is > Yoda or Windu in actualized power.

There is no such thing as Darkside Jedi Anakin, he taps into the Darkside from time to time, no where are the quotes indicated to exclude Anakin when he's tapping into the Darkside, that wouldn't even make sense, sounds like your head canon again

That's what darkside Jedi Anakin is, Anakin who taps into the darkside as a Jedi.

Stopping the Theta storm which Obi-wan highly doubted Yoda could do, also feats are irrelevant when Anakin is constantly stated to be the most powerful Jedi of the Era, your counter argument for that has no basis and is purely head canon, Yes Yoda has some quotes that contradict these, but that is why rough parity between the two is a generally accepted stance

Firstly, many people, including Kenobi himself scale over the theta storm feat since it happened 2 years prior to ROTS.  Secondly, it's heavily implied it was Anakin's FoB that allowed him to pull off such a feat.  Same way in AOTC he was able to press Dooku with an FoB, normal Anakin cannot do those things.

How are they all superior to Drallig, Drallig is superior by almost all indicators, Especially Game Drallig who is Equal to Yoda given that he ragdolled KFV, also i dont even see your point here, in the Movie Anakin cut Drallig down instantly with one hand while choking out one of his Padawan's

Because every single one of them has better feats than Drallig?

Bringing up game Drallig is meaningless since he doesn't exist in continuity anyway, and he didn't ragdoll KFV.

But hey G- Canon is the highest level of canon and two G-Canon statements declare Anakin = Sidious
and by some indicators he is even > Sidious Rots game Drallig vs. Yoda - Page 2 1289255181

In potential power, not actualized power lol.  I know you're going to bring up that "unparalled force power" Jedi temple accolade and say it applies to Sidious and Yoda, when it is clearly only talking about the Jedi in the temple.

Lucas himself even implied Anakin could not have beaten Sidious in ROTS, he said "If Anakin hadn't got all beaten up, he could have beat the Emperor." Meaning post Mustafar.
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January 29th 2021, 5:52 pm
AA3 wrote:He's also using one hand... which is completely contrary to his normal fighting style.
Could very easily be a matter of opponents. Using one hand allows to more easily block two lightsabers. 

As for Anakin smiling, he only starts smiling as he finishes off, its not like he was pulling a Sidious and laughed throughout the entire fight.

As for Anakin leading her there, the fight lasted through a number of rooms throughout the entire temple, and he had plenty opportunities to pull similar moves. 

Also I'm not saying I genuinely think Keto is KFV level (original comment was a joke), but she performs only slightly worse than game Drallig
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