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on Fri 31 Jan 2020 - 20:22
Rank how large these Sidious gaps are: 

1. TPM Pre-boost - TPM Post-boost
2. TPM Post-boost - RotS Sidious
3. RotS Sidious - RotJ Sidious
4. RotJ Sidious - DE Sidious
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on Fri 31 Jan 2020 - 20:24
In terms of total power growth, there's no evidence the boost increased his power significantly, but for the others it's quite impressive power growth. In terms of what he can bring to the table without damaging his body, from 1 to 4 is virtually identical.
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on Fri 31 Jan 2020 - 20:38
@EmperorCaedus wrote:Rank how large these Sidious gaps are: 

1. TPM Pre-boost - TPM Post-boost
2. TPM Post-boost - RotS Sidious
3. RotS Sidious - RotJ Sidious
4. RotJ Sidious - DE Sidious
wasnt there another one of these around here somewhere?

anyhow

1- maybe more than twice as strong
2- not twice as strong, but a good bit stronger
3- bigger than before, maybe twice as strong
4- i dont know, but he grew in power over the course of DE, so maybe an ROTS-TPM+ level amp
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on Fri 31 Jan 2020 - 21:03
1. TPM Pre-boost - TPM Post-boost - Pretty significant.
2. TPM Post-boost - RotS Sidious - 13 years of growth boosted his overall power, allowing him to perform feats like those against Mace and Yoda.
3. RotS Sidious - RotJ Sidious - Increased a fair bit.
4. RotJ Sidious - DE Sidious - No clue.
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on Fri 31 Jan 2020 - 22:57
@Meatpants wrote:In terms of total power growth, there's no evidence the boost increased his power significantly, but for the others it's quite impressive power growth. In terms of what he can bring to the table without damaging his body, from 1 to 4 is virtually identical.

Well, it's stated his clone bodies are stronger than his original and he may even have increased the midi-chlorian count of his original body to better contain his immense power following RotJ, so I wouldn't say the gaps are equivalent.

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on Sat 1 Feb 2020 - 3:24
1. TPM Pre-boost - TPM Post-boost= pretty decent 
2. TPM Post-boost - RotS Sidious= increase in literally all sense 
3. RotS Sidious - RotJ Sidious=pretty significant
4. RotJ Sidious - DE Sidious=no clue
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on Sat 1 Feb 2020 - 11:39
The RotJ - DE gap seems to be the most emphasized.
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on Sat 1 Feb 2020 - 13:14
@Meatpants wrote:In terms of total power growth, there's no evidence the boost increased his power significantly, but for the others it's quite impressive power growth. In terms of what he can bring to the table without damaging his body, from 1 to 4 is virtually identical.

This. However, I would argue that Pre-boost’s power is sub Plagueis, whereas post boost and after are higher, with Palpatine’s base power being only marginally above what someone like Plagueis could bring. His reserves and ability to go beyond his base self though is what comfortably puts him beyond Yoda/Plagueis combatants.
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on Sat 1 Feb 2020 - 14:06
1. RotJ Sidious - DE Sidious
2. RotS Sidious - RotJ Sidious
3. TPM Post-boost - RotS Sidious
4. TPM Pre-boost - TPM Post-boost

That's the correct order^ and the scary thing is even in his peak healthy body, after two power increment increases within DE alone, his power was still "ever-expanding" lol.
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on Sat 1 Feb 2020 - 20:34
1. RotJ Sidious - DE Sidious
2. RotS Sidious - RotJ Sidious
3. TPM Post-boost - RotS Sidious
4. TPM Pre-boost - TPM Post-boost

The boost likely didn't put Sidious above Plagueis, but by various accolades he was equal or superior to Plagueis by ROTS. The gaps to ROTJ and then from there to DE are pretty significant by comparison.
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on Sat 1 Feb 2020 - 21:13
@ILS wrote:1. RotJ Sidious - DE Sidious
2. RotS Sidious - RotJ Sidious
3. TPM Post-boost - RotS Sidious
4. TPM Pre-boost - TPM Post-boost

That's the correct order^ and the scary thing is even in his peak healthy body, after two power increment increases within DE alone, his power was still "ever-expanding" lol.

Why's the RotJ-DE gap the greatest? He had much more time to grow in between RotS and RotJ.

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on Sat 1 Feb 2020 - 21:17
@Azronger I mean, you answered it yourself in this very thread. The clone bodies were stronger than his original one.
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on Sat 1 Feb 2020 - 21:26
Yeah, stronger in that they could contain a larger percentage of his power. But I don't see any evidence the actual increment in power he underwent was greater than one the between RotS and RotJ.

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on Sat 1 Feb 2020 - 21:59
@Azronger There are multiple accolades attesting to that fact:

Dark Empire Sourcebook wrote:His Force skills have increased significantly in the six years since he was last seen in Return of the Jedi.

Handbook 3: Dark Empire wrote:Luke knew that without clones to inhabit, Palpatine's spirit would be consigned forever to the void. But Palpatine was able to transfer himself at the last moment. Within a new clone body, the Emperor was more powerful than ever.

At least three other times his "ever-expanding power" is noted:

Dark Empire wrote:Even now, as Luke appears to fall under the Emperor's ever-expanding power, massive engines of destruction are inflicting death blows to the floating cities of the Calamari, long-standing allies of the Rebel Alliance...


Dark Empire wrote:But the Emperor cannot be overcome so easily. He gives Leia a painful demonstration of his ever-expanding power, crowing in triumph that he has finally captured the last of the Jedi!


Dark Empire Endnotes wrote:Yes, he grows continually more powerful in the way of the Dark Side.
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on Sun 2 Feb 2020 - 13:23
@Corvinus That the Emperor's growth from RotJ to DE was significant, that he's more powerful than ever during DE, that he's still growing etc. were never contested by me. But the notion that his growth was more significant than between RotS and RotJ is still unproven. For my money, I'd bet on 23 years of continual study of the Force over three at best when done by the same character.

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on Sun 2 Feb 2020 - 13:38
@Azronger wrote:@Corvinus That the Emperor's growth from RotJ to DE was significant, that he's more powerful than ever during DE, that he's still growing etc. were never contested by me. But the notion that his growth was more significant than between RotS and RotJ is still unproven. For my money, I'd bet on 23 years of continual study of the Force over three at best when done by the same character.

You can argue that it's implied by 1) his mastery of Force storms, 2) his status as a spacetime-warping nexus, and 3) his abilities as a spirit. Those things all seemed to get boosted exponentially following RotJ to DE, whereas IDK if they showed as obvious growth from RotS to RotJ.
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on Sun 2 Feb 2020 - 21:34
@Azronger So no evidence on your part except an "I'd bet on it".
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on Sun 2 Feb 2020 - 22:24
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on Sun 2 Feb 2020 - 23:52
@Corvinus wrote:@Azronger So no evidence on your part except an "I'd bet on it".

I mean, the evidence is that Sidious did the exact same thing in the aftermath of his recovery from Endor that he had done in between RotS and RotJ, except he had a fraction of the time. If you're looking for an explicit statement, I don't have any, but that's just my rationale for it.

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on Mon 3 Feb 2020 - 0:26
I'm not talking about RotJ to the beginning of DE, but the end.
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on Tue 4 Feb 2020 - 15:19
Yeah so why's that bigger than the rest?

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on Tue 4 Feb 2020 - 17:04
Well partly because of Force storm scaling, and partly because of his superior clone body. It might be a shorter time period but there is more there than generic power growth. Also his growth seems to run in lockstep to a degree with Luke's own which was considerable.
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on Tue 4 Feb 2020 - 18:20
Where did Palpatine get a “boost” in TFM?
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