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Starkiller Clone and Darth Vader vs DE Luke Skywalker                                                             Empty Starkiller Clone and Darth Vader vs DE Luke Skywalker

on Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:56 am
Starkiller and Vader as of TFU II

DE Luke Skywalker as of Dark Empire III: Empire's End 

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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:01 am
Luke wrecks.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:03 am
ROTJ Luke would beat Starkiller, let alone DE Luke lmao. Vader can't tip the balance either.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:25 am
Luke curbstomps both in an instant.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:42 am
luke solos
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:07 am
Luke.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:49 am
Luke.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:28 pm
Starkiller.
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Starkiller Clone and Darth Vader vs DE Luke Skywalker                                                             Empty Re: Starkiller Clone and Darth Vader vs DE Luke Skywalker

on Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:34 pm
Per the rules, the duo turn on each other and Luke crushes the winner.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:36 pm
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luke is stronger than both, but both are just much more experienced, and seem to be overall smarter. both are more well trained and have the better powers, in vader's case. the duo's stamina is also pretty big when compared to luke's. going with the team
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Starkiller Clone and Darth Vader vs DE Luke Skywalker                                                             Empty Re: Starkiller Clone and Darth Vader vs DE Luke Skywalker

on Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:55 pm
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:luke is stronger than both, but both are just much more experienced, and seem to be overall smarter. both are more well trained and have the better powers, in vader's case. the duo's stamina is also pretty big when compared to luke's. going with the team


This is DE Luke. Endgame at that. ROTJ Luke beat a superior version of Vader and is significantly better in every way here.


Starkiller isn't a big enough fish to matter against this Luke.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:02 pm
@Corvinus wrote:
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:luke is stronger than both, but both are just much more experienced, and seem to be overall smarter. both are more well trained and have the better powers, in vader's case. the duo's stamina is also pretty big when compared to luke's. going with the team


This is DE Luke. Endgame at that. ROTJ Luke beat a superior version of Vader and is significantly better in every way here.


Starkiller isn't a big enough fish to matter against this Luke.

Luke beat Vader when enraged and believed Vader could have tooled him in the Force during that duel if he'd wanted. 

DE Luke himself isn't overly impressive when you actually look at the context behind his feats. Would love to hear you try to argue it though so go ahead.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:05 pm
well, if this is Luke at his best in DE, he whoops them. the power gap is too big to fill. if its him in a normal basis, he is still below prime vader, which would make him stronger than TFU 2 vader and Sk, but i still think the team would win.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:21 pm
@Syndiciate wrote:Luke beat Vader when enraged and believed Vader could have tooled him in the Force during that duel if he'd wanted. 

Are we going to ignore the myriad of quotes proclaiming Luke is Vader’s equal because of a single quote that comes from a biased source and from the same Luke who considered Teneniel Djo better than Vader in TK?
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:23 pm
um lucas, luke, sheev, and obi wan in a deleted scene have said that vader is above luke lol
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:28 pm
@MasterCilghal wrote:
@Syndiciate wrote:Luke beat Vader when enraged and believed Vader could have tooled him in the Force during that duel if he'd wanted. 

Are we going to ignore the myriad of quotes proclaiming Luke is Vader’s equal because of a single quote that comes from a biased source and from the same Luke who considered Teneniel Djo better than Vader in TK?
It was a book edited and read point by point by Lucas.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:29 pm
i wonder why nobody ever considers shit as outliers or hyperboles in star wars. there are such things people lol
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:33 pm
@Syndiciate wrote:
@Corvinus wrote:
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:luke is stronger than both, but both are just much more experienced, and seem to be overall smarter. both are more well trained and have the better powers, in vader's case. the duo's stamina is also pretty big when compared to luke's. going with the team


This is DE Luke. Endgame at that. ROTJ Luke beat a superior version of Vader and is significantly better in every way here.


Starkiller isn't a big enough fish to matter against this Luke.

Luke beat Vader when enraged and believed Vader could have tooled him in the Force during that duel if he'd wanted. 

DE Luke himself isn't overly impressive when you actually look at the context behind his feats. Would love to hear you try to argue it though so go ahead.


Luke's Form V usage was derived from Vader's own, and he was good enough to land a critical hit on Vader during their duel on Cloud City. With only another year of experience under his belt he defeated Vader, who had 19 years on him. Enraged or not, whether Vader would have won a Force battle or not, it doesn't matter. We have Luke winning against an opponent with vastly more experience. Anakin vs Dooku on the Invisible Hand comes to mind when taking the situation as a whole into account.

Come DE we have statements assuring us of Luke's status as a Jedi Master, him being a Jedi of the highest order, easily blocking Sedriss's Force Choke, one shotting him, Sidious praising his growth in the Force. He was fast enough to cover a distance of several hundred meters in seconds. He contended with Sidious in a lightsaber duel. He got up after a direct blast of Force Lightning from Sidious.

This is just DE Luke, nothing else, and there's much more. Just this is enough to prove his superiority over the duo though, and to do away with the "they have more experience" argument. Experience doesn't matter to Luke Skywalker.


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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:37 pm
@BoD wrote:It was a book edited and read point by point by Lucas.

I don’t see how that changes my point. Unless George came out and said “Luke is right in saying that Vader could have crushed him with the force” or the other way the ambiguity still stands. Essentially,  we’re still left with two different statements which really don’t coincide with one another.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:38 pm
Meatpants (away) wrote:ROTJ Luke would beat Starkiller, let alone DE Luke lmao. Vader can't tip the balance either.

How dose RotJ Luke beat Starkiller?
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:39 pm
we have 19 BBY moving fast enough that it seems he is teleporting, him being far above kar vastor, him being deadlier than grievous, him being capable of killing mace windu, him being the strongest force users two different jedi have ever met, etc etc etc. experience didnt matter to luke in those fights cuz in bespin, vader wanst even trying, while in rotj, vader was fighting like shit.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:41 pm
@MasterCilghal wrote:
@BoD wrote:It was a book edited and read point by point by Lucas.

I don’t see how that changes my point. Unless George came out and said “Luke is right in saying that Vader could have crushed him with the force” or the other way the ambiguity still stands. Essentially,  we’re still left with two different statements which really don’t coincide with one another.
not joking, but i think lucas maybe have something similar to that. doenst he have some editing parts in courtship of princess leia? thats one of the more famous of instances of luke saying vader couldve destroyed him. then in DE, sheev says that Vader is better than luke every 5 minutes or so
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:46 pm
Luke one-shots.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:58 pm
@MasterCilghal wrote:
@Syndiciate wrote:Luke beat Vader when enraged and believed Vader could have tooled him in the Force during that duel if he'd wanted. 

Are we going to ignore the myriad of quotes proclaiming Luke is Vader’s equal because of a single quote that comes from a biased source and from the same Luke who considered Teneniel Djo better than Vader in TK?

I find power quotes to be rather vague personally. Are they referring to raw power that comes about as a result of one's potential and midichlorian count that contributes to a being's reserves of energy or their actual employable power? How many authors even make this distinction in the first place? 

I don't seen any reason to doubt Luke's opinion on what Vader is capable of here. As for the Vader vs Teneniel Djo comparison, one can simply note that Luke being aware that Vader is capable of tooling him does not give him full knowledge of his father's actual capabilities.
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on Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:02 pm
i mean, luke only saw vader's TK once... when vader was playing around with him in bespin, iirc.
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