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lorenzo.r.2nd
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"Dooku is not a better sword fighter than anakin" Empty "Dooku is not a better sword fighter than anakin"

on January 11th 2020, 11:44 pm
oh man, yall are gonna love this one 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0GtLGH6bBc

So anakin is a tier 8 just like dooku, but he is not a tier 8 because he is was a tier 6 or 7 per gillard himself. i honestly like the fact that it supports my thinking that these guys arent reliable.
The Lost
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on January 11th 2020, 11:52 pm
I mean, technical skill stops being a big deal at around Bane level, so that statement doesn't come as a surprise. He clarifies that the difference is a mental one, which is true.
lorenzo.r.2nd
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on January 12th 2020, 1:04 am
bane is far more skilled than i previously pictured him to be, but thats for another time. 

anyhow, if yoda and dooku are there yet, and if both are true masters, or whatever nick said, then why is yoda more skilled than dooku? if we go by what he says, then AOTC anakin, with a perfect mind set, could do just as well as dooku did agaisnt yoda, which is incorrect. plus, him saying that dooku= anakin in technical sense is.. contradictory, to say the least. there are about like, 5 or 6 sources that say that anakin nor obi wan (who was better than him at this point) never stood a chance, and 5 or 6 more sources that say that only windu and yoda couldve matched dooku. not to mention the fact that what gillard does in the movies has been established to not be what lucas wants and vice versa per gillard himself. what lucas pictures =/= what gillard pictures. idk why u guys still go by that faulty gillard scale, or whatever the name is. it is made for movies, by the guy who directed the choreography. his authority and directions stop the moment the fighting stops. he didnt want the anakin vs obi wan fight that we got in the first place, yet again proving that what gillard says is not what lucas would say.
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on January 12th 2020, 6:36 am
Gillard's statement was probably arbitrary in that instance because G canon sources prove him wrong.
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on January 12th 2020, 6:58 am
This only serves as another reason to completely discount Gillard as a credible source
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on January 12th 2020, 7:09 am
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He's not wrong. Technical skill is rarely a factor in duels between experienced masters. It all comes down to the Force, one's attunement to and relationship with it, and how one leverages it against one's opponent. At the higher levels, lightsaber duels are much more akin to metaphysical chess matches than mere swordfights. Dooku was a far more masterful Force-user than Anakin at this point, so he triumphed over unrefined talent.
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on January 12th 2020, 7:23 am
Gillard’s challenge was creating a Dooku more powerful than even Anakin and Obi-Wan. After Dooku severs Anakin’s arm, however, audiences were left in no doubt.

Star Wars: Mythmaking: Behind the Scenes of Attack of the Clones

“One of the problems in writing the Dooku fights,” Nick Gillard noted, “was that both Obi-Wan and Anakin had to be master swordsmen - but Dooku had to be even better!”

Star Wars: Mythmaking: Behind the Scenes of Attack of the Clones

[hideedit]Nick Gillard during and after Attack of the Clones wanted Count Dooku to be both more powerful and a better duelist than Anakin Skywalker. Note that Gillard in the IGN video doesn't say "Dooku's mental edge makes him a better swordsman than Anakin", just that it gives him an upper hand over Anakin, the superior duelist. So his quote in Mythmaking directly contradicts what he says in the video.

If Gillard is changing his mind on this, it proves his opinions on the fight aren't Lucas-backed so you aren't obligated to accept them - but could still choose to do so. Just know that there's also the issue of it going against not only the forgetful stunt coordinator's earlier comments, but a mountain of other sources.
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on January 12th 2020, 10:38 am
It depends on how literally you want to take his words from an interview lol
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on January 12th 2020, 12:18 pm
Skill is only one element of swordfighting. Strength, speed, endurance, pain tolerance, agility, age, experience, smarts...all are part of a fight.

Skill = Dooku.
Strength = Anakin.
Speed = Anakin.
Endurance = Anakin. 
Pain tolerance = Anakin.
Agility = Anakin.
Age = Anakin.
Experience = Dooku. 
Smarts = Dooku.
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on January 12th 2020, 12:22 pm
i would like to say that technically speaking, the mentally is in fact incredibly important after one learns how to control his sword. u have to know and where to defend AND and attack, how to do defend and attack, and basic strategy/tactics (looking at yo boy obi wan), and like gillard says, experience gives one an instant reaction and answer to these things after some time passes. they know what to do simply by looking at it in less than a second. gillard's idea of the mentality to better the fighting also exists in star wrs- just look at how mentally unstable characters constantly job, and how light siders suddenly get much better after meditating. BUT for some reason, they seem to treat the dark side as the same thing, as if the rage would make them better duelists for some reason, which contradicts other showings of rage that say the opposite. i suppose darth maul is one of the characters who fights much, much better whenever he gets enraged (him vs sidious is a great example), while darth vader seems to become far worse whenever his emotions get the better of him.

I do believe that one's skill can only go so far. thats why most of us, if not all, put credibility into the idea that luke is the best duelist in the verse and nobody matches him. he defeats one of the most skilled duelists in the verse after 4 years of even owning a lightsaber, then trains for 40 or so more years. the only people that seem to get close would be yoda (even closer in his prime, of course), anakin in a perfect mindset (he might be higher than yoda in this case), sidious, and then dooku and other duelists of comparable skill (maul, vader- possibly higher-, obi wan in one of his super focused states- also might be higher-, rey (kek), etc). 

That is where the experience, strength in the force, and mentality comes in. yoda can only beat sidious and dooku by being not only faster, but also stronger. he could never hope to stomp dooku without those things. we actually see dooku hit and almost perfectly match a 'going for the kill' yoda in vjun, something that no other character has actually replicated. one of the main reasons as to why anakin even beat dooku like he did was because of his speed and strength, alongside being relentless on both of those things. maul too beat qui gon, iirc, out of sheer stamina, and not superior skill.
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on January 12th 2020, 12:24 pm
i would actually say that dooku is more agile, but that would be debatable in and of itself, so meh...
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on January 12th 2020, 12:36 pm
ya dooku is more agile but anakin has infinite reserves to pull from making him more agile
lorenzo.r.2nd
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on January 12th 2020, 12:45 pm
... the what now?
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on January 12th 2020, 2:52 pm
depends if you take that interview seriously i say this becuase literally those words arent lucas backed statements.
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on January 12th 2020, 3:23 pm
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:... the what now?
?
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on January 12th 2020, 3:23 pm
@The lord of hunger wrote:depends if you take that interview seriously i say this becuase literally those words arent lucas backed statements.
why wouldn u take his words seriously?
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on January 12th 2020, 3:23 pm
is that would or wouldnt?
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on January 12th 2020, 4:20 pm
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:is that would or wouldnt?
wouldnt* because he is still a important figure for star wars
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on January 13th 2020, 12:25 am
@The lord of hunger wrote:depends if you take that interview seriously i say this becuase literally those words arent lucas backed statements.
i mean we take other author's words as evidence all the time so i dont see how this is a problem
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