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SithSauce
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Can Dooku stomp Vader? Empty Can Dooku stomp Vader?

on September 28th 2019, 3:32 pm
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xolthol
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on September 28th 2019, 3:34 pm
No way... I'm not even sure he can defeat him
MasterCilghal
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on September 28th 2019, 3:35 pm
He would definitely win solidly. It could be argued he stomps.
SithSauce
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on September 28th 2019, 3:38 pm
@MasterCilghal wrote:He would definitely win solidly. It could be argued he stomps.
I think you'd be overrating Dooku a little.
KingofBlades
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on September 28th 2019, 3:42 pm
Dooku dismantles him skillfully in sabers and dominates via the force. If Dooku doesn't stomp vader all out, it'd be pretty close to it.
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on September 28th 2019, 3:50 pm
@SithSauce wrote:
@MasterCilghal wrote:He would definitely win solidly. It could be argued he stomps.
I think you'd be overrating Dooku a little.
I don’t hold Dooku very high. It’s just that I find Vader fairly unimpressive (not sub-tpm kenobi, though, that is just a joke). Or more precisely, I find him inconsistent. He’s hyped up tremendously in the dark times novels (Coruscant nights, last of the Jedi) but his showings just don’t live up to that. Dooku is far more consistent.
NotAA3
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on September 28th 2019, 4:41 pm
Yes. Comparisons with Kenobi clearly point in that direction.
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on September 28th 2019, 5:22 pm
Vader overwhelms Dooku once again. Even easier than Zonakin.
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on September 28th 2019, 5:47 pm
@xolthol wrote:No way... I'm not even sure he can defeat him

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KingofBlades
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on September 28th 2019, 6:15 pm
@HellfireUnit wrote:Vader overwhelms Dooku once again. Even easier than Zonakin.
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SithSauce
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on September 28th 2019, 6:57 pm
@MasterCilghal wrote:
@SithSauce wrote:
@MasterCilghal wrote:He would definitely win solidly. It could be argued he stomps.
I think you'd be overrating Dooku a little.
I don’t hold Dooku very high. It’s just that I find Vader fairly unimpressive (not sub-tpm kenobi, though, that is just a joke). Or more precisely, I find him inconsistent. He’s hyped up tremendously in the dark times novels (Coruscant nights, last of the Jedi) but his showings just don’t live up to that. Dooku is far more consistent.
Inconsistency is present in a lot of characters, even high tier ones like Obi Wan, Anakin, Darth Maul, Caedus etc.


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SithSauce
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on September 28th 2019, 6:58 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:Dooku dismantles him skillfully in sabers and dominates via the force. If Dooku doesn't stomp vader all out, it'd be pretty close to it.
He is already at a form disadvantage against Vader, and considering Dooku couldn't stomp AOTC Anakin, I highly he doubt he can stomp Vader
NotAA3
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on September 28th 2019, 7:04 pm
Can Dooku stomp Vader? 815462187 Right, because AOTC Anakin is an incredibly consistent character who totally doesn't fluctuate between power levels at all...

https://www.suspectinsightforums.com/t1237-aotc-anakin-vs-tpm-maul

Read this. You might find it illuminating.

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on September 28th 2019, 7:50 pm
Nah, unless if it’s G Canon Vader. I wager that C Canon Vader would win because he’s not any less powerful than Anakin, and he’s also got the benefit of being familiar with Dooku’s tactics and technique, whereas Dooku doesn’t because Vader’s technique is different than pre-suit Anakin’s. He’s also stronger and more durable, though Dooku is faster and more agile.
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on September 28th 2019, 9:15 pm
Lol no. Not even sure he can beat him for a solid majority.
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on September 28th 2019, 9:24 pm
No but he’d win handily
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on September 28th 2019, 9:50 pm
@Latham2000 wrote:Nah, unless if it’s G Canon Vader. I wager that C Canon Vader would win because he’s not any less powerful than Anakin, and he’s also got the benefit of being familiar with Dooku’s tactics and technique, whereas Dooku doesn’t because Vader’s technique is different than pre-suit Anakin’s. He’s also stronger and more durable, though Dooku is faster and more agile.
Pretty much that. 

If people want to reconcile everything and not just accept Lucas and most writers of the EU have a completely different perspective on Vader's power, one could argue 18 BBY Vader was his combative peak. He's much younger for one - 24 verses mid-forties, and he was likely more active in hunting down surviving Jedi and motivated trying to reawaken his Sith potential. By OT it seems that he left most of the grunt work to his minions and he could have grown complacent and decline with age and lack of motivation do to his knowledge he could never surpass his master. Stagnation could have hollowed him to a "shadow of his former self" by ANH. You could also argue I guess that the discovery of Luke reawakened that spark and his drive to overthrow the Emporer hence him "growing far more formidable" by Empire though I wouldn't argue he's better than 18 BBY Vader, just much better than "a Shadow of his former self".
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on September 28th 2019, 10:38 pm
Not at all. Not even close
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on September 28th 2019, 10:39 pm
Can anyone make a case for Vader that can’t be one shotted by a GL quote?
Sjuttiosju
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on September 30th 2019, 12:54 pm
He can't stomp but he can win comfortably.
KingofBlades
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on September 30th 2019, 2:41 pm
Re read/watch the IH fight between Kenobi and Dooku. That is a good approximation of what would happen were Vader to attempt to fight Dooku. Only Dooku won't get stonewalled in sabers like he did against Kenobi.
NotAA3
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on September 30th 2019, 2:43 pm
Kenobi didn't even stonewall Dooku lol. Blocking a few strikes isn't a stonewall.
KingofBlades
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on September 30th 2019, 2:51 pm
StrangerThingsFan77 wrote:Kenobi didn't even stonewall Dooku lol. Blocking a few strikes isn't a stonewall.
Yeah, you do have a point. I usually tend to give Kenobi the benefit of the doubt on that though since they are both tier 8 duelists.
Latham2000
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on September 30th 2019, 5:08 pm
Dooku is slightly superior to IH Obi-Wan.
NotAA3
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on September 30th 2019, 5:13 pm
Why only "slightly"? As soon as Dooku decided to take things seriously and remove Kenobi from the equation Kenobi got TKd twice in a short space of time. And in the second scenario, Dooku was extremely disadvantaged. What's the argument against this exactly? That Kenobi didn't raise a Force defence in time, and that in an "accurate" representation of their abilities he "stonewalled" Dooku (if you can even call that section of the fight a stonewall)? Give me a fucking break. It's clear narratively that Kenobi was nothing to Dooku, and that Anakin is the only one who had a shot of beating him.
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