Exar Kun vs Darth Maul (TCW Season 7)

Vaelias wrote:So are we all forgetting Maul has saber skills that possibly rival TPM Yoda, meaning his force aug is on a similar level, he was also trained by Sidious to eventually surpass him, and his apprenticeship is impeccable

"Thus far your apprenticeship has been impeccable. You have never wavered in your intent, and you have executed your tasks flawlessly. Your skill as a sword master is peerless."

In many ways Darth Maul was an exemplary acolyte. His loyalty was unquestionable and unshakable; Sidious knew that, if he were to command it, Maul would sacrifice his life without a second’s hesitation. And his skills as a warrior were nonpareil.

Vaelias wrote:

KingKopecz wrote:The Sith triumvirate is sub Ludo Kressh who in turn is vastly sub Kun. You could’ve used that as your evidence.

What? who is the triumvirate sub Ludo Kressh ?

Vaelias wrote:So are we all forgetting Maul has saber skills that possibly rival TPM Yoda, meaning his force aug is on a similar level, he was also trained by Sidious to eventually surpass him, and his apprenticeship is impeccable

"Thus far your apprenticeship has been impeccable. You have never wavered in your intent, and you have executed your tasks flawlessly. Your skill as a sword master is peerless."

In many ways Darth Maul was an exemplary acolyte. His loyalty was unquestionable and unshakable; Sidious knew that, if he were to command it, Maul would sacrifice his life without a second’s hesitation. And his skills as a warrior were nonpareil.

LadyKulvax wrote:Well demonstratably, an Exile who was nearly in her prime as of K2, is stated to not stand a chance against the remnant life energies of Kressh in his tomb. That's an even higher statement of superiority than Nihilus gets That alone is evidence.

Then there's the fact the SWTOR:E has Darth Nihilus below all of the Dark Lords in the Valley on Korriban.

I'd be remiss to point out the rest of the indications since you're absolutely adamant that they're meaningless.

KingKopecz wrote:

Vaelias wrote:

KingKopecz wrote:The Sith triumvirate is sub Ludo Kressh who in turn is vastly sub Kun. You could’ve used that as your evidence.

What? who is the triumvirate sub Ludo Kressh ?

Via Ludo Kressh’s tomb scaling.
I’m not sure why this comes across a big surprise. Nihilus is a one-trick pony, Traya isn’t too special and Sion’s best feat outside of his pseudo-immortality is destroying a bacta tank.

LadyKulvax wrote:

Vaelias wrote:So are we all forgetting Maul has saber skills that possibly rival TPM Yoda, meaning his force aug is on a similar level, he was also trained by Sidious to eventually surpass him, and his apprenticeship is impeccable

"Thus far your apprenticeship has been impeccable. You have never wavered in your intent, and you have executed your tasks flawlessly. Your skill as a sword master is peerless."

In many ways Darth Maul was an exemplary acolyte. His loyalty was unquestionable and unshakable; Sidious knew that, if he were to command it, Maul would sacrifice his life without a second’s hesitation. And his skills as a warrior were nonpareil.

Given the only reliable comparisons you can make between Maul and Kun come through Luke, who is demonstratably more skilled than Maul. I really don't care if Maul's possibly > TPM Yoda. Though, I doubt that.

Vaelias wrote:

KingKopecz wrote:

Vaelias wrote:

KingKopecz wrote:The Sith triumvirate is sub Ludo Kressh who in turn is vastly sub Kun. You could’ve used that as your evidence.

What? who is the triumvirate sub Ludo Kressh ?

Via Ludo Kressh’s tomb scaling.
I’m not sure why this comes across a big surprise. Nihilus is a one-trick pony, Traya isn’t too special and Sion’s best feat outside of his pseudo-immortality is destroying a bacta tank.

thats clearly false, given Malak>Kun, unless your implying Ajunta Pall > Kun & Nihilus which is demonstrably false, per both feats ad multiple sources

Vaelias wrote:So are we all forgetting Maul has saber skills that possibly rival TPM Yoda, meaning his force aug is on a similar level, he was also trained by Sidious to eventually surpass him, and his apprenticeship is impeccable

"Thus far your apprenticeship has been impeccable. You have never wavered in your intent, and you have executed your tasks flawlessly. Your skill as a sword master is peerless."

In many ways Darth Maul was an exemplary acolyte. His loyalty was unquestionable and unshakable; Sidious knew that, if he were to command it, Maul would sacrifice his life without a second’s hesitation. And his skills as a warrior were nonpareil.

Vaelias wrote:

LadyKulvax wrote:

Vaelias wrote:So are we all forgetting Maul has saber skills that possibly rival TPM Yoda, meaning his force aug is on a similar level, he was also trained by Sidious to eventually surpass him, and his apprenticeship is impeccable

"Thus far your apprenticeship has been impeccable. You have never wavered in your intent, and you have executed your tasks flawlessly. Your skill as a sword master is peerless."

In many ways Darth Maul was an exemplary acolyte. His loyalty was unquestionable and unshakable; Sidious knew that, if he were to command it, Maul would sacrifice his life without a second’s hesitation. And his skills as a warrior were nonpareil.

Given the only reliable comparisons you can make between Maul and Kun come through Luke, who is demonstratably more skilled than Maul. I really don't care if Maul's possibly > TPM Yoda. Though, I doubt that.

That relies on JA Kun being weaker than Living Kun which he's not lol

KingKopecz wrote:

Vaelias wrote:

KingKopecz wrote:

Vaelias wrote:

KingKopecz wrote:The Sith triumvirate is sub Ludo Kressh who in turn is vastly sub Kun. You could’ve used that as your evidence.

What? who is the triumvirate sub Ludo Kressh ?

Via Ludo Kressh’s tomb scaling.
I’m not sure why this comes across a big surprise. Nihilus is a one-trick pony, Traya isn’t too special and Sion’s best feat outside of his pseudo-immortality is destroying a bacta tank.

thats clearly false, given Malak>Kun, unless your implying Ajunta Pall > Kun & Nihilus which is demonstrably false, per both feats ad multiple sources

No it’s not clearly false. All Malak’s superiority over Kun proves is that Malak is superior to Nihilus. And I didn’t even say anything about Pall lol.

Decaf_Beverages wrote:

Vaelias wrote:

LadyKulvax wrote:

Vaelias wrote:So are we all forgetting Maul has saber skills that possibly rival TPM Yoda, meaning his force aug is on a similar level, he was also trained by Sidious to eventually surpass him, and his apprenticeship is impeccable

"Thus far your apprenticeship has been impeccable. You have never wavered in your intent, and you have executed your tasks flawlessly. Your skill as a sword master is peerless."

In many ways Darth Maul was an exemplary acolyte. His loyalty was unquestionable and unshakable; Sidious knew that, if he were to command it, Maul would sacrifice his life without a second’s hesitation. And his skills as a warrior were nonpareil.

Given the only reliable comparisons you can make between Maul and Kun come through Luke, who is demonstrably more skilled than Maul. I really don't care if Maul's possibly > TPM Yoda. Though, I doubt that.

That relies on JA Kun being weaker than Living Kun which he's not lol

He absolutely is, and this is outright stated and implied constantly through JA. You have to have been high while reading the Champions of the Force to even begin to think that JA Kun is above living Kun

Decaf_Beverages wrote:

Vaelias wrote:So are we all forgetting Maul has saber skills that possibly rival TPM Yoda, meaning his force aug is on a similar level, he was also trained by Sidious to eventually surpass him, and his apprenticeship is impeccable

"Thus far your apprenticeship has been impeccable. You have never wavered in your intent, and you have executed your tasks flawlessly. Your skill as a sword master is peerless."

In many ways Darth Maul was an exemplary acolyte. His loyalty was unquestionable and unshakable; Sidious knew that, if he were to command it, Maul would sacrifice his life without a second’s hesitation. And his skills as a warrior were nonpareil.

The idea that this is coming down to a lightsaber duel is completely laughable when Kun could very well just spam sorcery at Maul until he dies, sorcery he has never shown any realistic ability to counter

Vaelias wrote:
the quote you are referring to which states the sith in the valley are the most powerful, would also apply to Kun, the quote its self is clearly false given that we know of Kun's massive superiority to Sadow and in turn Pall, however Pall is one of the Sith in the Valley so that quote would imply Pall > Kun, which we know isn't true. so if you are gonna use that quote to say Valley Dark Lords > Nihilus then you cant make exceptions for Pall > Kun or Sadow & Nadd > Kun. and that's clearly not true

KingKopecz wrote:

Vaelias wrote:
the quote you are referring to which states the sith in the valley are the most powerful, would also apply to Kun, the quote its self is clearly false given that we know of Kun's massive superiority to Sadow and in turn Pall, however Pall is one of the Sith in the Valley so that quote would imply Pall > Kun, which we know isn't true. so if you are gonna use that quote to say Valley Dark Lords > Nihilus then you cant make exceptions for Pall > Kun or Sadow & Nadd > Kun. and that's clearly not true

I'm not referring to that quote at all. That was AP.

NotAA3 wrote:If we're assuming TCW S7 is Canon, there's no argument for Maul.

If we're assuming TCW S7 is Legends, Maul is confirmed to be better, so Kun dies.

Vaelias wrote:

KingKopecz wrote:

Vaelias wrote:
the quote you are referring to which states the sith in the valley are the most powerful, would also apply to Kun, the quote its self is clearly false given that we know of Kun's massive superiority to Sadow and in turn Pall, however Pall is one of the Sith in the Valley so that quote would imply Pall > Kun, which we know isn't true. so if you are gonna use that quote to say Valley Dark Lords > Nihilus then you cant make exceptions for Pall > Kun or Sadow & Nadd > Kun. and that's clearly not true

I'm not referring to that quote at all. That was AP.

what quote are you referring to then?

Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords Prima Official Game Guide wrote:Buried under a mountain of rock at the back of the Shyrack Cave, this ancient tomb conceals a great evil power. Ludo Kressh, Sith Lord, is buried here, and his life force still haunts the halls and passages.

[...]

Malak and his companions aren't real; they are phantoms generated by the intense dark-side power concentrated in this tomb.

[...]

You don't stand a chance against the overwhelming power of all your companions at once.

Vaelias wrote:

Decaf_Beverages wrote:

Vaelias wrote:So are we all forgetting Maul has saber skills that possibly rival TPM Yoda, meaning his force aug is on a similar level, he was also trained by Sidious to eventually surpass him, and his apprenticeship is impeccable

"Thus far your apprenticeship has been impeccable. You have never wavered in your intent, and you have executed your tasks flawlessly. Your skill as a sword master is peerless."

In many ways Darth Maul was an exemplary acolyte. His loyalty was unquestionable and unshakable; Sidious knew that, if he were to command it, Maul would sacrifice his life without a second’s hesitation. And his skills as a warrior were nonpareil.

The idea that this is coming down to a lightsaber duel is completely laughable when Kun could very well just spam sorcery at Maul until he dies, sorcery he has never shown any realistic ability to counter

Well maul having Force aug comparable to Yoda means his force power is up there so what's to say Maul wouldn't be able to defend against anything Base Kun has to throw at him

Decaf_Beverages wrote:



Some nice source on spirit Kun being weaker. I can find about 8 or so more if you want