Yoda vs. Outlander, Vaylin, Arcann and Dramath

Who wins

I would very much love to hear the argument for Yoda winning here.

I guess the team overwhelms him

None can react to his speed

Yoda is too damn powerful, skilled and fast for them to handle.

Team and pretty easily

Team handily. Arcann and Dramath will only be able to hold him off for a time but Vaylin and the Outlander are comparable in every way except maybe skill.

Team slaps. The Outlander or Vaylin could arguably solo.

Rofl at Outlander or Vaylin soloing.

Outlander can solo.

Team destroys, but Yoda would beat any of them individually, with varying levels of difficulty.

I can't see why Yoda cannot speedblitz all of them at once.

Actually, wait, nvm. Yoda wins.

PeraltaEagle45 wrote:Actually, wait, nvm. Yoda wins.

I'm curious, what made you change your opinion so drastically?

Comparing SWTOR-era Vitiate to Yoda. Vitiate is certainly in Yoda's tier but is likely his inferior. At best, they are rough equals. Prime Vitiate (Valkorion) was able to effortlessly one-shot these combatants. We assume that Valkorion is far more powerful than SWTOR Vitiate, but I don't see why that would be the case. People usually point to his Ziost drain as the event that caused his power growth, but Ziost was said to have "restored" Vitiate, not caused a boom in power beyond his previous state. At best, Valkorion is modestly stronger than he was as Vitiate.

I think the idea that Vaylin and the Outlander are comparable to Yoda or Plagueis needs to end.

I think the idea that Valkorion >> SWTOR Vitiate doesn't just stem from the Ziost drain, but also that Valk's power was not fragmented like it was during SWTOR. During SWTOR, Vitiate had his power divided between Revan, First Son/Children of the Emperor, his voices, Zakuul, etc. All of Vitiate's showings during SWTOR where just fragments of his power. Valkorion is no longer distracted and divided and is the complete collection of his full power.

Edit: wording

Right, but consider that novel Revan (a canonical inferior to Yoda) was a near-peer of novel Vitiate's. Vitiate didn't start fragmenting his power until after the novel. Novel Vitiate should only be a bit below Valkorion, if at all.

I don't agree. After the novel, Vitiate had ~300 years of growth and was feeding off of the war and Revan/Meetra. I think you could argue that feeding off of a ~30 year galactic war actually gave him more power than any of the planet drains. Valkorion should be far beyond his novel self but it sounds to me like you are saying that Valkorion, SWTOR Vitiate, and Novel Vitiate are all roughly on the same level. Valkorion and a complete and united SWTOR Vitiate are probably about the same but to suggest that Novel Vitiate is on that level isn't something that I can get on board with.

Pretty sure Valkorion has been confirmed to be stronger than ever before. I’ll see if I can find the quotes.

A being of unfathomable power and insatiable appetite, he transcended death multiple times, shedding his physical shells as they were discovered, defeated, and destroyed... only to return in another form.
With each rebirth, he grew stronger.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Fallen Empire: Codex Entry titled "Valkorion.")

Plus, unlike when he was mortally wounded by the HoT, Valkorion’s apparent death sent ripples through the Force so everyone who’d ever sensed his presence felt it, indicating his power and presence in the Force grew significantly.

Not to mention the dude just ate a planet. He doesn't have to have been stated to increase for us to deduce he grew massively.

BreakofDawn wrote:A being of unfathomable power and insatiable appetite, he transcended death multiple times, shedding his physical shells as they were discovered, defeated, and destroyed... only to return in another form.
With each rebirth, he grew stronger.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Fallen Empire: Codex Entry titled "Valkorion.")

Plus, unlike when he was mortally wounded by the HoT, Valkorion’s apparent death sent ripples through the Force so everyone who’d ever sensed his presence felt it, indicating his power and presence in the Force grew significantly. When this happened, he wasn’t even as wounded as he was against the HoT in Act 3.

I don't think what Peralta is saying contradicts this per se, rather I think he is saying that the gap between Novel Vitiate and Valkorion isn't that significant.

Outlander solos. Vaylin can also solo if she doesn't throw a tantrum.

Any reasons for Outlander or Vaylin soloing? Or is it just hype?

Scaling.