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Vjun Yoda vs Mustafar Vader Empty Vjun Yoda vs Mustafar Vader

August 23rd 2019, 6:32 am
Both are in the same mind set as they were in the iterations given in the title.

The location of this thread is Vjun.

Who wins?
MasterCilghal
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August 23rd 2019, 6:33 am
Vader would get a massive boost. Don’t forget that that the nexus on Vjun made Tavion Aximis so powerful she could basically one-shot Katarn and Jaden Korr, despite the fact that a far lesser version of Katarn defeated her decisively. Vader wins


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HellfireUnit
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August 23rd 2019, 6:34 am
If Anakin is capable of drawing power from Vjun and it also weakenes Yoda, MFV should win I suppose?
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August 23rd 2019, 6:35 am
Vader wins.
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August 23rd 2019, 10:49 am
Yoda
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August 23rd 2019, 10:52 am
Vader under these conditions.
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August 23rd 2019, 11:05 am
Yoda.
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August 23rd 2019, 11:16 am
NotAA3 wrote:Yoda.
Reasons? I could understand if it was the hyped up dark Yoda, but this one seems a strange choice to back.
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August 24th 2019, 2:33 am
Are there any actual sources that state Vader's raw combative ability was hindered on Mustafar?
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August 24th 2019, 2:58 am
The Ellimist wrote:Are there any actual sources that state Vader's raw combative ability was hindered on Mustafar?
That’s the thing. The  “Anakin was hindered” argument is thrown around a lot but I haven’t seen a single source confirming it.
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August 24th 2019, 2:58 am
Yoda.
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August 24th 2019, 4:05 pm
Vader.
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August 24th 2019, 4:14 pm
MFV showed parity with Obi Wan. Vjun Yoda though hindered, was still superior to an amped Dooku.

Vjun Yoda>Vjun Dooku>normal Dooku>RotS Obi Wan~MFV
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August 24th 2019, 4:54 pm
still yoda
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August 24th 2019, 5:54 pm
Vjun Yoda > Vjun Dooku > base Dooku > RotS Kenobi ~< Mustafar Vader. Yoda wins.
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August 24th 2019, 5:56 pm
Can't Anakin utilize from Vjun's nexus? Also isn't that nexus weakenes Yoda?
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August 24th 2019, 11:00 pm
DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Vader.
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August 24th 2019, 11:02 pm
HellfireUnit wrote:Can't Anakin utilize from Vjun's nexus? Also isn't that nexus weakenes Yoda?

Yeah, that is the reason Vader beats hin
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August 25th 2019, 1:15 am
MasterCilghal wrote:
The Ellimist wrote:Are there any actual sources that state Vader's raw combative ability was hindered on Mustafar?
That’s the thing. The  “Anakin was hindered” argument is thrown around a lot but I haven’t seen a single source confirming it.
This is probably the best case for Anakin being hindered:

RotS Novel wrote:He couldn’t shake a certain creeping sensation ... a kind of cold, slimy ooze that slithered up the veins of his legs and spread clammy tendrils through his guts ...Almost as though he was still afraid ...She will die, you know, the dragon whispered. He shook himself, scowling. Impossible. He was Darth Vader. Fear had no power over him. He had destroyed his fear. All things die. Yet it was as though when he had crushed the dragon under his boot, the dragon had sunk venomed fangs into his heel. Now its poison chilled him to the bone. Even stars burn out. He shook himself again and strode toward the holocomm. He would talk to his Master. Palpatine had always helped him keep the dragon down.
That said his power was still at its height, literally the line before this passage:

RotS Novel wrote:
He could feel his power growing, indeed. He had the measure of his “Master” already; not long after Palpatine shared the secret of Darth Plagueis’s discovery, their relationship would undergo a sudden ... transformation. A fatal transformation. Everything was proceeding according to plan.
And yet ...

So even an Anakin plagued with doubts is still more powerful than he was during Operation Knightfall. The only thing the dragon's vemon did was make him more emotionally unstable. And as most know by now the Junior novel made it clear Anakin's anguish over needing to kill Obi-Wan didn't hinder him but actually allowed him to draw strength from it. 

And while there are secondary sources that say they were evenly matched, the script very heavily implies Obi-Wan would have died if the fight took place in a confined space:

RotS Script wrote:ANAKIN cuts apiece of the balcony railing off, along with a control panel.
ALARMS SOUND, and a protective ray shield around the superstructure disappears. It tumbles into the molten abyss, disappearing in a puff of smoke. A small pipe connects the Control Center to the Main Collection Plant. OBI-WAN has no choice but to tightrope-walk out across the lava river while fighting ANAKIN.


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August 25th 2019, 2:07 am
Well the adult novel makes it clear that until Kenobi “freed” himself from attachments he was being basically ragdolled
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November 6th 2019, 9:33 pm
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November 7th 2019, 2:27 am
MasterCilghal wrote:Well the adult novel makes it clear that until Kenobi “freed” himself from attachments he was being basically ragdolled
Before he chose to actually fight back, you mean?
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November 7th 2019, 3:05 am
O-Siri wrote:

RotS Script wrote:ANAKIN cuts apiece of the balcony railing off, along with a control panel.
ALARMS SOUND, and a protective ray shield around the superstructure disappears. It tumbles into the molten abyss, disappearing in a puff of smoke. A small pipe connects the Control Center to the Main Collection Plant. OBI-WAN has no choice but to tightrope-walk out across the lava river while fighting ANAKIN.
 That's because the structure is falling into the lava. Not because Anakin is pushing him back. The text literally says the superstructure is tumbling into the lava.

Also the idea that Obi would be screwed if he was stuck with Anakin is refuted by the Senior Novel where he just stalemates and forces him back


Simultaneous surges of the Force carried them both spinning up off the cables to the slant of the toppling superstructure's crane deck. Obi-Wan barely got his feet on the metal before Anakin pounced on him and they stood almost toe-to-toe, blades whirling and crashing on all sides, while around them the collection plant's maintenance droids still tinkered mindlessly away at the doomed machinery, as they would continue to do until lava closed over them and they melted to their constituent molecules and dissolved into the flow. A roar louder even than the volcano's eruption came from the river ahead; metal began to shriek and stretch. The river dropped away in a vertical sheet of fire that vanished into boiling clouds of smoke and gases. The whole collection plant was being carried, inexorably, out over a vast lava-fall. Obi-Wan decided he didn't really want to see what was at the bottom. 

He turned Anakin's blade aside with a two-handed block and landed a solid kick that knocked the two apart. Before Anakin could recover his balance, Obi-Wan took a running leap that became a graceful dive headlong off the crane deck. 

- Rots Senior Novel
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November 7th 2019, 3:55 am
MasterCilghal wrote:Vader would get a massive boost. Don’t forget that that the nexus on Vjun made Tavion Aximis so powerful she could basically one-shot Katarn and Jaden Korr, despite the fact that a far lesser version of Katarn defeated her decisively. Vader wins

Wasn’t it a mix of having a dark side artifact infused with the power of multiple nexi combined with surprise attacking Kyle?
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November 7th 2019, 3:57 am
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MasterCilghal wrote:Vader would get a massive boost. Don’t forget that that the nexus on Vjun made Tavion Aximis so powerful she could basically one-shot Katarn and Jaden Korr, despite the fact that a far lesser version of Katarn defeated her decisively. Vader wins

Wasn’t it a mix of having a dark side artifact infused with the power of multiple nexi combined with surprise attacking Kyle?

Correct.
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