Re: Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Cin Drallig, Kit Fisto & Ki-Adi Mundi

August 7th 2019, 6:24 pm

SithSauce wrote:Call me crazy but Drallig could solo if we take his fight with KF Vader in the ROTS game seriously

It’s not canon though. All primary sources depict Drallig as losing very quickly.

August 7th 2019, 6:43 pm

@Dark_Globe Obi wan has already shown he can deal with that power against Anakin on Mustafar, at least after he let go of his emotions and attachments. Dooku was only able to “ragdoll” Kenobi when Anakin had been sent to the wall with a kick momentarily stunning him, and even then Obi Wan was stated in the junior novel to have only been defeated because he didn’t have the time to defend himself, implying he could have done so:

Source: Revenge of the Sith Junior Novelization wrote:Count Dooku half-turned and raised a hand. A rush of dark power lifted Obi-Wan off his feet and choked the air from his lungs. He reached for the Force to counter Dooku, but the attack had been too sudden. He saw Dooku twist, kicking out at Anakin with all his weight behind it. Anakin fell backward, and Dooku hurled Obi-Wan over the edge of the balcony.
Obi-Wan dropped to the floor below and lay half-stunned. Distantly, he felt a surge in the dark side, and then a large chunk of the balcony hurtled down at him. His last thought before he lost consciousness was, It's up to Anakin now.

I find yours to be a misleading comparison, as Fisto was killed in a few seconds while Windu was present, they weren’t momentarily separated like anakin and Obi Wan.

August 7th 2019, 8:54 pm

YVH Cilghal wrote:

Kilius wrote:I've always been in the camp that says Fisto is reasonably close to RotS Kenobi(or at least beginning of RotS Kenobi - still on the fence as to whether or not Kenobi grew significantly) and can give him a decent fight before going down on his own. Drallig is fodder but helpful in a team match. Ki Adi is a bit hard to place. Not sure if he's B-Team level but he's definitely by my estimation much better than Drallig.

I'm going to back the team for now, though I could be swayed. The thing is three magnaguards were enough to push Kenobi to the limits of his abilities in a direct match. Even the weakest member of the team is arguably above even the best of Grievous's guard and the environment here doesn't favor the sokan tactic he used to beat the droids.

Honestly I don’t think any of the three Jedi has near lightspeed reflexes like those magnaguards.

Hyperbole. Even non-Force sensitive Red Guards; the ones that were able to bring down 3 of Grievous's 6 elite before being killed are capable of contending with their speed somewhat. And even going by the novel prose alone and ignoring LoE, Grievous who is made from the same technologies and indisputably superior stat-wise, isn't moving close to "near-lightspeed" based on actual calcs, 12-20 strikes per second is astonishing for normal and even Jedi standards but not even close to what one would expect for someone who can move at lightspeed. So yeah the statement is pure fluff. Magnaguards in practice are at best FTE.

You could argue reactions in this instance are referring to internal processing data and the ability to instantly adapt to situations and not the actual speed in which the droids can contort their bodies, but Jedi already have a similar ability to adapt the nanosecond before events even occur anyways, so this isn't any special advantage the three Jedi Obi-Wan is facing won't have.

August 7th 2019, 11:08 pm

The trio.

August 8th 2019, 12:34 am

YVH Cilghal wrote:@Dark_Globe Obi wan has already shown he can deal with that power against Anakin on Mustafar, at least after he let go of his emotions and attachments. Dooku was only able to “ragdoll” Kenobi when Anakin had been sent to the wall with a kick momentarily stunning him, and even then Obi Wan was stated in the junior novel to have only been defeated because he didn’t have the time to defend himself, implying he could have done so:

Source: Revenge of the Sith Junior Novelization wrote:Count Dooku half-turned and raised a hand. A rush of dark power lifted Obi-Wan off his feet and choked the air from his lungs. He reached for the Force to counter Dooku, but the attack had been too sudden. He saw Dooku twist, kicking out at Anakin with all his weight behind it. Anakin fell backward, and Dooku hurled Obi-Wan over the edge of the balcony.
Obi-Wan dropped to the floor below and lay half-stunned. Distantly, he felt a surge in the dark side, and then a large chunk of the balcony hurtled down at him. His last thought before he lost consciousness was, It's up to Anakin now.

I find yours to be a misleading comparison, as Fisto was killed in a few seconds while Windu was present, they weren’t momentarily separated like anakin and Obi Wan.

first: fisto was dealing with much superior opponent and actually was able to duel sidious for at least a moment (granted with strong back up)
but if you think about it just to be able to react to sidiouses speed and to be able to deflect at least a few of his blows is an impressive feat .
second: obi wan being able to hold his own against anakin was the most circumstantional (plot device) fight in history of star wars .
by all means and logic he should have lost that fight . anakin was physically tier 9 force user and duelist , but he was a mess mentally .
kenobi knew anakins style inside out , anakin was blinded by his rage and kenobis soresu was perfect counter to vaders aggresive djem-so :
even still obi wan was on the defensive the entire fight , had anakin not act foolish and arrogant he would win .
sidious could and would one shot kenobi , he would not even engage him in a duel .

fisto is only slightly inferior to obi wan . the only relevant edge is again obi - wans mastery of soresu , he would wait until fisto tire himself and find an oppening .
but in this fight fisto has back up of two solidly powerful allies , kenobi can no longer focus all his defensive abilities on one opponent .
fisto would use this to his advantage and finish obi wan in this fight while the other two distract him .

August 8th 2019, 1:10 am

August 8th 2019, 7:42 am

Dark_Globe wrote:first: fisto was dealing with much superior opponent and actually was able to duel sidious for at least a moment (granted with strong back up)
but if you think about it just to be able to react to sidiouses speed and to be able to deflect at least a few of his blows is an impressive feat .

You haven’t disproven anything of what I have said. Fisto had backup from Windu, and it is impossible to say whether or not he would have lasted the amount of time alone, but given how little he lasted with the help of a Yoda tier combatant I see no reason why he shouldn’t be one-shotted alone.
I will respond to your second claim later, but for now I would suggest you to read LOTL’s blog on the topic of the Mustafar fight.

August 8th 2019, 7:54 am

Dark_Globe wrote:second: obi wan being able to hold his own against anakin was the most circumstantional (plot device) fight in history of star wars .
by all means and logic he should have lost that fight . anakin was physically tier 9 force user and duelist , but he was a mess mentally .
kenobi knew anakins style inside out , anakin was blinded by his rage and kenobis soresu was perfect counter to vaders aggresive djem-so :
even still obi wan was on the defensive the entire fight , had anakin not act foolish and arrogant he would win .
sidious could and would one shot kenobi , he would not even engage him in a duel .

1- I don’t buy the plot device argument. The fight did take place and you can’t just dismiss it outright.
2- i find it quite ironic from you to bring up the prequel trilogy levels created by Nick Gillard (and George Lucas) when the former himself has said in interview that Kenobi is a 8 whereas Fisto is a 7 and that between each level there’s a massive difference (here is the link: https://youtu.be/Z2-iZNQrFBA ) while you say there’s only a minor difference between them.
3- Anakin and Obi Wan were fighting every on Mustafar, and it is proven by several quotes:

Still, the fight continued, even as the collection tower sank slowly into the lava. And still, neither man could gain an advantage .
Source: Revenge of the Sith Junior Novelization

Years of fighting side-by-side left these warriors evenly matched, and their exhausting duel crossed the fiery landscape of a Mustafar refinery.
Source: Lightsabers: A Guide to the Weapons of the Force

4- proof that Anakin’s mental hindrance hampered his performance in any major way?

August 12th 2019, 1:23 am

How is Kenobi winning this lol.

August 12th 2019, 6:01 am

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:The trio.

August 15th 2019, 4:11 pm

Trio in a good fight. Obi-Wan might be the most skilled and arguably the most powerful one here, but he's not taking them all on at once.

August 15th 2019, 4:27 pm

August 15th 2019, 4:31 pm

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:The trio.

August 15th 2019, 4:32 pm

What a shocker. Your opinion is the exact same as it was 3 days ago.