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- MasterCilghalLevel Three
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 11:28 am
Luke and Kraft being equals in FOTJ has been debunked iircSithArchaeologist wrote:SithSauce wrote:Why Krayt?SithArchaeologist wrote:Luke. Could argue for Krayt though, maybe Sidious depending on how you interpret a few statements.
FotJ Krayt being FotJ Luke's rough equal before growing in power and knowledge significantly.
- CuckedCurryLevel Four
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 6:36 pm
Why is he struggling with Wyyrlok then?
- MasterCilghalLevel Three
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 6:52 pm
There’s a debate between ant and ILS that disproves it. It was on Google but I don’t have it with me unfortunatelySithArchaeologist wrote:It has not.
- PeraltaEagle45
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 7:39 pm
BaratoBhajji wrote:Why is he struggling with Wyyrlok then?
He didn't struggle with Wyyrlok, lol.
- PeraltaEagle45
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 7:39 pm
YVH Cilghal wrote:There’s a debate between ant and ILS that disproves it. It was on Google but I don’t have it with me unfortunatelySithArchaeologist wrote:It has not.
I saw the debate. Ant was completely unconvincing.
- MasterCilghalLevel Three
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 7:42 pm
Looking at their feats outside of the Abeloth fight I don’t see anything that merits placing Krayt on that level tbh.SithArchaeologist wrote:YVH Cilghal wrote:There’s a debate between ant and ILS that disproves it. It was on Google but I don’t have it with me unfortunatelySithArchaeologist wrote:It has not.
I saw the debate. Ant was completely unconvincing.
- PeraltaEagle45
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 7:53 pm
Unfortunately for you, the Abeloth fight exists. Stop dismissing it.
- GuestGuest
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 7:55 pm
Can Krayt wankers explain why the alleged GM Luke tier combatant was given a fight by both Cade Skywalker and Wyyrlok?
- PeraltaEagle45
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 7:56 pm
NotAA3 wrote:Can Krayt wankers explain why the alleged GM Luke tier combatant was given a fight by both Cade Skywalker and Wyyrlok?
Can the GM Luke wankers explain why the alleged Krayt tier combatant was given a fight by both Caedus and Lumiya?
- MasterCilghalLevel Three
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 7:57 pm
Don’t forget that outliers exist.SithArchaeologist wrote:Unfortunately for you, the Abeloth fight exists. Stop dismissing it.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 7:58 pm
Yeah I'm not seeing Krayt getting anywhere, fast.
- MasterCilghalLevel Three
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 8:01 pm
It’s quite simple, Luke has a tendency to constantly hold back his power. It’s explained here:SithArchaeologist wrote:NotAA3 wrote:Can Krayt wankers explain why the alleged GM Luke tier combatant was given a fight by both Cade Skywalker and Wyyrlok?
Can the GM Luke wankers explain why the alleged Krayt tier combatant was given a fight by both Caedus and Lumiya?
You’re suggesting that I’ve held myself back by not wanting to incorporate this raw power into my awareness of the Force,”Luke said.
[...]
“In that sense, your instincts about me are correct, and so were Vergere’s. The dark side has, in a sense, dominated my life. I’ve suspected for a long time that the fatigue I’ve sometimes experienced when drawing on the Force during combat owes to my fear of abusing the raw power you describe.
- The Unifying Force
- NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 8:02 pm
SA here's your answer:
Context is key.
Luke's StealthX nudged him again from behind-how? Caedus couldn't see. Force push? Something metallic inside the fuselage shrieked. He had a sense of someone rummaging furiously in the drives as if looking for a dropped hydrospanner, throwing fragments into the coils. He's ripping the thing apart...
Caedus tried to block Luke in the Force and suddenly got an idea of just how much power Luke could muster. His seat shot forward, sheared off the runners, tipped to one side, and he hit the console at an angle before he could buffer the collision with the Force. Something cracked in his chest. Pain flared, stopping his breathing.
Context is key.
- GuestGuest
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 8:02 pm
@SithArchaeologist I can because Luke was given a fight by neither. Secondly, two showings don't dismiss all of the other accomplishments Luke possess. This is in total contrast to Krayt who has his entire GM Luke tier hype being based upon a singular performance and people pretending like his other performances don't exist or making up excuses to deny them. This is ignoring that I'm not at all convinced Krayt is ~ GM Luke based on that fight anyway.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 8:03 pm
So can someone give an argument as to why Luke is especially effective here? I mean, why? He's super fast or can TK you to a chair? That's cute and all, bit I'm pretty sure rendering everything around you completely immobile and thus defenseless, is more effective.
- MasterCilghalLevel Three
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 8:04 pm
@notAA3 yeah the fight doesn’t 100% point to a parity between them
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 8:04 pm
I’m going to have to say Luke for this one. Krayt’s one feat against Abeloth is hugely circumstantial and quite clearly an outlier if nothing else.
- NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 8:06 pm
Krayt is honestly horse shit, I reckon I could make a reasonable case for Jacen beating him.
- PeraltaEagle45
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 8:13 pm
Amusing. Perhaps sometime I'll have to make a post explaining my stance more clearly.
- GuestGuest
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 8:15 pm
Krayt is honestly horse shit, I reckon I could make a reasonable case for Jacen beating him.
Not sure Jacen could beat him but he definitely doesn't deserve the hype he gets. Really hoping he doesn't make it high on the list.
- MasterCilghalLevel Three
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 8:18 pm
Well Luke can do this:LadyKulvax wrote:So can someone give an argument as to why Luke is especially effective here? I mean, why? He's super fast or can TK you to a chair? That's cute and all, bit I'm pretty sure rendering everything around you completely immobile and thus defenseless, is more effective.
Luke killed the last of Raynar's bodyguards by Force-slamming them into the wall so hard their thoraxes burst
Dark Nest III: Swarm War
I mean he did literally one-shot UnuThul’s bodyguards ( I don’t remember whether or not they were force sensitive or not), I think he could do the same to Malgus, especially considering how he’s going to go all-out in this scenario.
- TenebrousWay
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 8:18 pm
What if Malgus kills all of them?
- DarthAnt66Moderator
Re: ★ Top Fifteen Tournament #1 - Luke Skywalker
August 2nd 2019, 8:21 pm
@TenebrousWay: Then we have a new #1.TenebrousWay wrote:What if Malgus kills all of them?
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