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on July 9th 2019, 11:46 pm
As stated on the blurb of LotF:Invincible Jacen's "command of the Force" surpasses than that of Darth Vader's. But just by how much exactly? Is he massively more powerful or slightly more powerful than his grandfather? What feats make the power disparity distinguishable?
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on July 9th 2019, 11:51 pm
His command (direction) of the force is better, but his innate power is not superior. The quote is basically saying Caedus has greater authority and perhaps even mastery over the force than Vader. Ironically enough, people will try to refute this argument but if I post the quotes claiming Vader has greater mastery and or command of the force than Anakin or alternatively Darth Bane has greater mastery of the force than Vitiate well suddenly double standards are at play  🇪🇭


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on July 10th 2019, 1:24 am
‘Command’ can refer to control, but he still should be solidly more powerful.
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on July 10th 2019, 7:29 am
He isn't or at least not based on the quote provided. Regarding actual feats, you can definitely make a case for either.
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on July 10th 2019, 11:59 am
Yeah I've come to view that accolade as null.
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on July 10th 2019, 12:52 pm
The accolade itself means very little but Jacen's feats are superior by a noticeable margin. I wouldn't say the gap is massive or that Jacen can "stomp" Vader or anything ludicrous like that however I do see Jacen taking a clean majority over his Grandfather.
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on July 10th 2019, 1:17 pm
If Caedus can’t stomp Vader, he’s certainly not winning against Yoda tier at all.
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on July 10th 2019, 2:31 pm
Did anybody say Jacen could take a Yoda tier?
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on July 10th 2019, 2:39 pm
Blurbs don’t matter.
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on July 10th 2019, 3:16 pm
^
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on July 13th 2019, 8:08 am
Vader couldn't beat RotJ Luke. He stands no chance against GM Luke. None. Whatsoever.

Caedus could hold his own against GM Luke. GM Luke considered Caedus to be his "match".

Here's your answer.

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on July 13th 2019, 8:16 am
>Caedus gets ragdolled.

>He held his own against GM Luke.
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on July 13th 2019, 11:55 am
I think It's funny how this is the one thing we all agree on.
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on July 14th 2019, 12:00 am
Caedus > Kyp > Vader, tbh.
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on July 14th 2019, 3:15 pm
How? Dovin basil feat?

Isn't Kyp post prime?

Even so didn't Kyp shudder in the mere presence of Vader's armor which swelled up and became a Nexus of power that caused the entire forest to avert away from his funeral pyre?
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on July 14th 2019, 4:20 pm
Bruh you just posted literal cringe.
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on July 14th 2019, 9:18 pm
I asked for reasons. I didn't deny it, Kyp being above Vader does not bother me, just wanted an answer
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on April 28th 2020, 9:23 pm
Caedus stomps.
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on April 29th 2020, 8:23 am
Clean majority. It's not a stomp gap or anything, but he should be noticeably more powerful.
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on April 29th 2020, 10:04 am
Caedus can basically stomp.
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on April 29th 2020, 11:14 am
Aurra Sing Comparison is your answer
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on April 29th 2020, 1:17 pm
A comparison that has been debunked thoroughly.
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on April 29th 2020, 1:43 pm
@BoD Why isn’t he stomping? He scales to blitzing Mara Jade, someone who’s demonstrably with or over Vader via scaling above ROTJ Luke.
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on April 29th 2020, 2:28 pm
@IG wrote:@BoD Why isn’t he stomping? He scales to blitzing Mara Jade, someone who’s demonstrably with or over Vader via scaling above ROTJ Luke.
Yeah nah, you still haven't provided a good scaling chain for Mara being with prime Vader beyond vague power growth with no quantification, let alone above him.
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on April 29th 2020, 2:49 pm
BoD wrote:
@IG wrote:@BoD Why isn’t he stomping? He scales to blitzing Mara Jade, someone who’s demonstrably with or over Vader via scaling above ROTJ Luke.
Yeah nah, you still haven't provided a good scaling chain for Mara being with prime Vader beyond vague power growth with no quantification, let alone above him.
What? I'm talking about her scaling over ROTJ Luke, not some random vague power growth. 

In Heir to the Empire, Luke has a vision of what would've happened, had Mara Jade made it onto Jabba's sail barge:

Heir to the Empire wrote:He landed and turned back toward the Sail Barge, hand extended for the lightsaber Artoo had just sent arcing towards him.

It never reached him. Even as he stood there waiting for it, the weapon changed direction, curving back towards the other end of the Sail Barge. Frantically, Luke reached out for it with the Force; but to no avail. The lightsaber continued its flight-

And came to rest in the hand of a slender woman standing alone at the top of the barge. 

Luke even notes later on, that this is a possible past. It is what would have happened had Mara made it onto the barge, Luke himself acknowledges it:

Heir to the Empire wrote:The first time, years ago, the cave had spun him an image of a possible future. This time, he now knew, it had shown him a possible past. "You would have succeeded," he said quietly. 

Now, we all know that Mara can draw upon the power of the Emperor as of ROTJ, so perhaps, you might say, this is unreliable. Except, we know that Lumiya circa ROTJ is the most powerful female in the Empire:

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And while Lumiya too can draw upon Sheev's power, she returns "Stronger than ever", after his death:

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We all know that Mara is superior to Lumiya as of her demise in Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice. We literally see her win the fight until there's outside interference:

Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice wrote:Mara's autopilot kicked in and she was the Emperor's Hand again, silent and focused. There was nothing worth saying anyway. Amateurs gave speeches; professionals got on with the job.
She Force-leapt five meters at Lumiya, slashing down right to left, two-handed. The stroke—all power, no finesse—clipped the Sith's headdress as she sprang back, slicing off a section. Lumiya's eyes widened, pupils dilated, but she was already whirling her lightwhip about her head. The tails crackled and hissed, missing Mara only because she threw all her energy into a Force push to slow them a fraction.
Mara didn't take that weapon lightly. It was the worst of both worlds, leather strips studded with impervious Mandalorian iron fragments and tendrils of sheer, raw, murderous dark energy. Mara drew her blaster and rolled under the hull of the ship next to her. The light-whip gouged through the durasteel with a shriek of tearing metal, filling the air with the smell of hydraulic fluid, and the spurt of liquid turned into a torrent that began spreading in a thick pool. As Mara rolled clear on the other side of the ship, Lumiya landed heavily on both feet and brought the whip down so close to Mara's head that she felt the rush of air on her right cheek like a breath. The crack was deafening.
Mara wasn't even thinking when she aimed the blaster. Lumiya's whip hand was raised to throw as much weight as possible from the back stroke. A puff of white vapor burst from Lumiya's shoulder, and she staggered a few paces.
Metal. Maybe I hit metal.
Maybe she had, because Lumiya teetered for a second but came right back. Mara sprang horizontally from a crouch and cannoned into Lumiya's legs with all the power she could muster from the Force. She hit solid durasteel. Blood filled her mouth but she couldn't feel a thing—yet. Clinging to Lumiya's knees with one arm, denying her the space to swing the whip, she brought her down like a felled tree before smashing her head into the woman's face.
And that hurt. Oh yes, Mara felt that. She'd caught not Lumiya's nose but the cybernetic jaw, and it cut deep into her forehead. Fighting on pure reflex now, part stunned, she killed the lightsaber blade for a second and held the hilt like a dagger, stabbing it down into Lumiya's chest before flicking the energy back on. Lumiya pulled to the side as the blade punched through flesh. Mara smelled it. She flicked off the blade to pull back again, triumphant.
I've done it. Dead. Dead, you—
But Lumiya was screaming, and that wasn't right at all. The scream seared through Mara's spinning head. It was more than sound. It was—
Mara scrambled to her knees to look down at what should have been a dead woman, and stared into green eyes that were utterly devoid of any emotion, and then the world darkened like an eclipse.
Maybe I'm the one who's dead.
Something hit her square in the back, pitching her forward onto Lumiya. Mara struggled to turn over without letting go of either lightsaber or blaster, but something coiled around her neck and jerked her backward. The lightwhip was still in Lumiya's fist, she could see the thing, she could see it, so what was around her neck, choking her? She felt as if she was flying backward at high speed, and then she hit something so hard that it punched every bit of breath out of her lungs and left her gulping for air.
A second or two was all it took. Mara lay trying to suck in air in painful, straining gulps, eyes stinging, and saw Lumiya's boots run past her face at a stagger, missing her by centimeters.
What's in my eyes? What's stinging?
She raised her hand to rub them and her knuckles came away red and wet. It was blood. The last thing she saw as she looked up was the orange sphere, that impossible Sith ship, soaring vertically into the air and extending webbed vanes like living wings.

Based on this evidence it's fairly evident Mara's at least a peer, if not superior of Vader.
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