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Latham2000
Latham2000
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Windu vs Dooku & Ventress Empty Windu vs Dooku & Ventress

December 8th 2020, 9:03 am
The Master of the Order, the second grand master, the one who beat Palpatine AKA the mighty Mace Windu takes on the senile Count Dooku and bald Asajj Ventress.

Who wins?
Gianfi
Gianfi

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December 8th 2020, 9:13 am
The senile and the bald win
The Fallen Knight
The Fallen Knight

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December 8th 2020, 9:32 am
Mace
HellfireUnit
HellfireUnit
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December 8th 2020, 9:33 am
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Either of team two solos
Latham2000
Latham2000
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Level Three

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December 8th 2020, 9:41 am
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@HellfireUnit wrote:Either of team two solos

Windu vs Dooku & Ventress 4183286560 Take that back
Trayus Marauder
Trayus Marauder

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December 8th 2020, 9:44 am
Considering that The Making of RotS places Mace in the same tier as Yoda/Anakin/RotS Sidious, he takes the win.
Rei
Rei

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December 8th 2020, 10:11 am
@Trayus Marauder wrote:Considering that The Making of RotS places Mace in the same tier as Yoda/Anakin/RotS Sidious, he takes the win.

Mace is a tier 8 and so is inferior to Yoda/Anakin/ROTS Sidious on a base level. His Vaapad is probably what takes him to a level 9 when fighting a powerful Dark Side user (like Sidious for example).
Trayus Marauder
Trayus Marauder

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December 8th 2020, 10:33 am
Considering his opponents as well as the overall presumed stipulations of these vs matches, there's no reason to assume that Mace will be restraining himself to tier 8 levels. He would logically cut loose to a level that is comparable to Sidious.

It's likely that tier 8 (bordering on 9) is suggesting that he is on the 9 level but he holds himself at the borderline due to Jedi power restraint that can be seen in individuals who wish to contain their inner darkness in most cases such as Luke or Anakin. Needless to say that if the situation called for it, their max power is freely accessible.
LadyKulvax
LadyKulvax
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December 8th 2020, 10:46 am
Tier 9 is only really achievable via dark side, per Gillard-Lucas. Yoda is an exception because he's Yoda.
Trayus Marauder
Trayus Marauder

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December 8th 2020, 10:53 am
@LadyKulvax wrote:Tier 9 is only really achievable via dark side, per Gillard-Lucas. Yoda is an exception because he's Yoda.

Well, he did say 8 and 9 are a cheat (usually via dark side) so Yoda, Windu, Kenobi, and LS Anakin are the exceptions. It can be achieved without the dark side but it has to be learned properly as Gillard explained with the Yogi vs force LSD example.
Praxis
Praxis
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December 8th 2020, 11:29 am
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@HellfireUnit wrote:Either of team two solos
Thij
Thij

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December 8th 2020, 11:35 am
Dooku Solos, Ventress is just overkill.
DarthFatcow
DarthFatcow

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December 8th 2020, 3:29 pm
Duo.
KingofBlades
KingofBlades
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Level Three

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December 8th 2020, 6:37 pm
@Praxis wrote:
@HellfireUnit wrote:Either of team two solos
BreakofDawn
BreakofDawn
Level Seven
Level Seven

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December 8th 2020, 7:56 pm
Prime Mace via being a tier 9.
Vaelias
Vaelias

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December 8th 2020, 8:10 pm
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@LadyKulvax wrote:Tier 9 is only really achievable via dark side, per Gillard-Lucas. Yoda is an exception because he's Yoda.

and Cin Drallig
Shimrra
Shimrra

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December 8th 2020, 8:29 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:
@Praxis wrote:
@HellfireUnit wrote:Either of team two solos
lorenzo.r.2nd
lorenzo.r.2nd
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Level Three

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December 8th 2020, 9:05 pm
@LadyKulvax wrote:Tier 9 is only really achievable via dark side, per Gillard-Lucas. Yoda is an exception because he's Yoda.
no, its cuz yoda uses the dark side too.
KingofBlades
KingofBlades
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December 8th 2020, 11:35 pm
Nothing outside of a gillard email comments on Dooku's ranking in the tier system. And considering how inconsistent Gillard has proven to be outside of official sources, I see no reason to cap Dooku below Mace via an email
SnowxElf
SnowxElf

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December 9th 2020, 12:01 am
Yeah team two takes it. Mace can't beat his peer with Ventress added on top of it and Mace never seemed to get much of an amp from Sith Dooku the few times he fought him.
The Reborn Emperor
The Reborn Emperor
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December 9th 2020, 12:08 am
@BreakofDawn wrote:Prime Mace via being a tier 9.

Mace isn't tier 9.
BreakofDawn
BreakofDawn
Level Seven
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December 9th 2020, 5:43 am
Meatpants wrote:
@BreakofDawn wrote:Prime Mace via being a tier 9.

Mace isn't tier 9.

He is per Gillard as of his peak, and he's a contender of Sidious per Lucas. Gillard flip-flopping doesn't retcon that nor does it override it given that there's a clear difference between Mace throughout ROTS and Mace by the time of the Office. Prime Mace is a 9, ROTS Mace prior to cutting loose and fully embracing his abilities is an 8.
CuckedCurry
CuckedCurry
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Level Four

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December 9th 2020, 6:57 am
Depends on what state of mind Mace is in
The Reborn Emperor
The Reborn Emperor
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December 9th 2020, 7:10 am
Nobody is denying that peak Mace is tier 9, but he's not always at peak lol.
BreakofDawn
BreakofDawn
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December 9th 2020, 7:13 am
Meatpants wrote:Nobody is denying that peak Mace is tier 9, but he's not always at peak lol.

I specifically clarified prime (peak) Mace, did I not?
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