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Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae Empty Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae

on December 7th 2020, 7:51 pm
Abeloth circa Apocalypse
Dark Empire Sidious
Peak Tenebrae

Round 1 - Fight in Coruscant streets
Round 2 - Fight Beyond Shadows
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on December 7th 2020, 8:04 pm
I'll go with an idea that it's Abeloth in the same state as in Krayt&Luke duel. (If it's Apocalypse Abeloth, but in full Apocalypse power, she stomps)

Krayt is like a footnote to Caedus, but Sidious or Tenebrae suck in comparison to Caedus as well given prime Kyle scales above multiple post-Mustafar Vaders, and both Sidious and Tenebrae are leagues below FOTJ Luke.

So Luke&Krayt is probably > Sidious & Tenebrae.

The team should die in both scenarios.
KingKopecz
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on December 13th 2020, 2:55 pm
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Abeloth lost to a weaker duo
Tenebrae > Luke
Sidious >>> Krayt
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Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae Empty Re: Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae

on December 13th 2020, 3:08 pm
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Tenebrae can defeat her. She gets stomped if Sidious helps Tenebrae.
S_W_LeGenD
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on December 13th 2020, 3:41 pm
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Below is how Abeloth fared in her last battle.

Avatar # 1 versus Luke Skywalker and Darth Krayt*
Avatar # 2 versus Ben Skywalker and Vestara Khai**
Avatar # 3 versus Saba Sebatyne, Tahiri Veila, Stomper 1 and Stomper 2***

***This avatar was inside a machine and producing shadow ghouls to fight its opponents. The idea was to draw it out from the machine by using grenades. When this was accomplished, Saba put her skills with a Lightsaber and biological strengths to good use to cut off its tentacles and head singlehandedly before it could swallow her or something, ending it for good. Saba certainly acknowledged that the avatar she was fighting was loosing its strength due to whatever was happening to avatar # 1 in other location (MAW) which was up against Luke and Darth Krayt at the time.

**By tapping into the Font's dark power, Vestara fueled her strength and used Force Lightning to good effect repeatedly while Ben crushed the avatar by collapsing pillars on it one by one. Ben was reluctant to tap into the Font's dark power however and decided to capitalize on other stuff to his advantage for the needful. Vestara's Force Lightning in this dynamic was potent enough to overwhelm a Canderous- class hovertank.

*This was probably the last avatar to fade from existence. Darth Krayt made extensive use of Force Drain to carry himself in the ongoing battle and reduced Abeloth to the point that she could not longer sustain and manifest to affect her surroundings, and diminished. Luke also deserve credit for preventing Abeloth from overwhelming Darth Krayt before he could diminish her with his application. Although both Luke and Darth Krayt suffered similar but extensive wounds, both walked out from the ordeal alive.

Even thought Abeloth had produced 3 avatars at the time, whatever happened to either affected the other, and all were defeated by respective opponents.

"But Saba suspected the change was a good sign. During their strategy meeting on Coruscant, the Jedi had realized it was possible to temporarily weaken at least one of Abeloth’s avatars by killing another. Kill one, weaken the others . The theory was that Abeloth had only a single Force presence, shared by her avatars, so harming any of her avatars would make it easier to defeat all of them. Assuming that the shadow-ghouls were being animated by Abeloth—and Saba saw no other possibility—then they were growing weaker because Luke was succeeding in the Maw." - Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse

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1. Producing more than one avatar can help split attention, but if any is harmed then this will affect the other.
2. Capitalizing on the environment can be of much help as apparent from actions of Ben and Vestara.
3. Both Palpatine and Tenebrae are respective masters of some of the most devastating applications of the Force and can cover multiple opponents in their respective attacks.

I see no reason why the duo cannot prevail in this battle. All they need is to maintain distance and bombard an avatar or two to oblivion.

This isn't to say that the battle cannot go wrong for the duo but they can win.
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on December 13th 2020, 3:44 pm
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Another day, another wall of shit from LeG.
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on December 13th 2020, 5:04 pm
Abeloth. As I recall, the strike team was fighting multiple of her forms and each death weakened her. Been a long time since I skim-read it, however.
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on December 13th 2020, 6:15 pm
@Sjuttiosju wrote:Another day, another wall of shit from LeG.

@Sjuttiosju: You will suffer ban penalties if you continue harassing LeGenD.
KingKopecz
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on December 13th 2020, 6:16 pm
Ouch
Sjuttiosju
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on December 13th 2020, 7:27 pm
I'm terrified.

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on December 13th 2020, 7:38 pm
I see his break has really done DC's personality some good.
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on December 13th 2020, 7:47 pm
It has actually. This is just my go to place for some fun.

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on December 13th 2020, 7:49 pm
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on December 13th 2020, 8:01 pm
duo dies
VictreebelVictr
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on December 14th 2020, 2:46 am
Assuming that this is peak Abeloth, she would stomp.
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on December 18th 2020, 3:22 am
Abeloth destroys, there's literally nothing that both Tenebrae and Sidious could even at the peak of their power.
S_W_LeGenD
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Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae Empty Re: Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae

on December 18th 2020, 8:29 am
@SupremeDarkTrooper wrote:Abeloth destroys, there's literally nothing that both Tenebrae and Sidious could even at the peak of their power.

If this is true then why Luke Skywalker and Darth Krayt proved sufficient to defeat her? These two are not The Daughter and The Son respectively, right?

Abeloth's hype is completely overblown.
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on December 18th 2020, 9:01 am
Abeloth crushes
Vaelias
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Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae Empty Re: Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae

on December 18th 2020, 10:29 am
Abeloth or Sidious solos
VictreebelVictr
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Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae Empty Re: Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae

on December 18th 2020, 2:04 pm
@S_W_LeGenD wrote:
@SupremeDarkTrooper wrote:Abeloth destroys, there's literally nothing that both Tenebrae and Sidious could even at the peak of their power.

If this is true then why Luke Skywalker and Darth Krayt proved sufficient to defeat her? These two are not The Daughter and The Son respectively, right?

Abeloth's hype is completely overblown.

Abeloth was extremely hindered during the battle at the Lake of Apparitions.
S_W_LeGenD
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on December 19th 2020, 9:10 am
@VictreebelVictr wrote:

Abeloth was extremely hindered during the battle at the Lake of Apparitions.

I do not recall anything of the sort.

Darth Krayt's application of Force Drain was the reason why Abeloth began to loose her strength at an accelerated rate.

"But Saba suspected the change was a good sign. During their strategy meeting on Coruscant, the Jedi had realized it was possible to temporarily weaken at least one of Abeloth's avatars by killing another. Kill one, weaken the others. The theory was that Abeloth had only a single Force presence, shared by her avatars, so harming any of her avatars would make it easier to defeat all of them. Assuming that the shadow-ghouls were being animated by Abeloth-and Saba saw no other possibility-then they were growing weaker because Luke was succeeding in the Maw." - Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse

Of-course, Saba Sebatyne didn't knew that Darth Krayt was involved and how he was contributing to the fight.

If Luke Skywalker and Darth Krayt can manage to defeat Abeloth, I see no reason why Palpatine and Tenebrae cannot because both can dish out Force powers of the kind that are never duplicated by any Jedi or Sith in history.

Palpatine's defeat back in the days of Dark Empire doesn't suggest that he is a mook in comparison to Luke Skywalker in FOTJ times. Luke benefited from his sister's powers when he outdueled Palpatine and both managed to disrupt Palpatine's connection to the Force via Force Harmony technique. For the sake of argument - if Leia Organa Solo wasn't around then what were the chances for Luke to succeed? Before Leia helped Luke see the Light, he was under Palpatine's dark influence, and Palpatine might have secured a Force-sensitive body of an infant for his "rebirth." Palpatine's Force Storm (Wormhole) is a thing and he can drop it on Abeloth from a distance. And if others can cut off Abeloth's tentacles using a Lightsaber, I see no reason why Palpatine cannot.

Tenebrae's powers are absolutely potent as well. He [one-shot] Arcann with a blast of power - Arcann was much stronger than any Jedi (or Sith) in his time and this cement his position 'among' the most powerful Force-users to ever exist and he could exchange blows with the much evolved Alliance Commander and also his sister Vaylin [Chained] on separate occasions. Tenebrae's Force Drain is Darth Nihilus++ TIER (bad news for Abeloth). Tenebrae's Force Lightning was lethal to the extent that its stray bolts knocked out sophisticated military-grade starships from the sky (even Palpatine could not do this); no wonder Revan (Reborn) could not handle it even though his defenses were excellent for a Jedi. Vestara Khai drew from the Font of Power to produce Force Lightning which could knock out hover tank(s) at best and her bolts were sufficient to affect Abeloth's avatar confronting her and Ben Skywalker who in turn managed to crush this avatar by dropping pillars on it. I am most impressed... not...

There are clear limits to what Abeloth can sustain in a battle.  

Darish Vol defeated Abeloth in a clash of wills (Telepathy) - could anybody tell this was possible if the battle had never happened? Just because some Force-users co-existed with Luke and were able to affect him doesn't make them more impressive than ancient champions and none holds a candle to Palpatine and Tenebrae in person.

Palpatine and Tenebrae are absolutely equipped to handle Abeloth in a fight as a team. If the fight is taking place near the Font of Power then the duo will MURDER her.


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Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae Empty Re: Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae

on December 19th 2020, 10:16 am
Abeloth stomps
S_W_LeGenD
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Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae Empty Re: Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae

on December 19th 2020, 10:30 am
@Vaelias wrote:Abeloth or Sidious solos

You misread the title.

@Shimrra wrote:Abeloth stomps

She stomps Shimrra - Yes.
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on December 19th 2020, 10:41 am
@S_W_LeGenD I'm glad you agree my friend, now let's make an essay on how Sidious has no penis according to Dark Empire, you may start
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Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae Empty Re: Abeloth vs Sidious & Tenebrae

on December 19th 2020, 10:52 am
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@Shimrra wrote:@S_W_LeGenD I'm glad you agree my friend, now let's make an essay on how Sidious has no penis according to Dark Empire, you may start

My opening statement:
Master Azronger will not take to this kindly... He will drop a Force Storm on us both... You're going down a path I can't follow...
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