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on September 25th 2020, 12:19 am
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Give the following characters midi-chlorian counts:

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Count Dooku
Darish Vol
Darth Caedus
Darth Krayt
Darth Plagueis
Darth Sidious
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Luke Skywalker
Mace Windu
Revan
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on September 25th 2020, 2:07 am
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on September 25th 2020, 3:09 am
The only canonical reference points that I know of are that the average non-Force-sensitive possesses a midi-chlorian count of 2,500 per cell according to Darth Plagueis, and that Darth Tenebrous mused a midi-chlorian count of 15,000 is significantly higher than his own, and that a number in excess of that would be highest count ever recorded.

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Star Wars Insider #130: The Tenebrous Way wrote:The key, he'd discovered, lay in an obscure legend obliquely referenced in the Journal of the Whills, about a hero fairly typical in most cultures - the sort of promised future savior who appears in the foundational myths of nearly every developed society. What distinguished this particular savior from his run-of-the-mill equivalents was that he, according to four of eleven possible translations, was to be "born of pure Force." After three standard years devoted specifically to exploring all possible permutations of the interpretation, Tenebrous determined that such a birth was indeed possible, at least metaphorically - "born of pure Force" could be read as indicating the creation of a living being through direct manipulation of midi-chlorian processes in an already living being.

And further, as Tenebrous discovered with rising excitement, such a being's Force potential might be limited not by its creator's own midi-chlorian count, but instead only by its creator's level of discipline and attention to detail. Indeed, his calculations indicated a range potentially far beyond his own. With proper execution, the "savior" might have a midi-chlorian count as high as fifteen thousand!

Perhaps even more.

It might be possible to create a being with the greatest Force potential ever recorded!

Force-users of the Old Republic were also aware of midi-chlorians. During the Cold War, lowly Sith apprentices knew of the midi-chlorians' functions in a Force-sensitive, and at least three Dark Lords - Darths Drear and Scabrous, and Valkorion - experimented with manipulating them. A member of the Jedi Agricultural Core - Jedi who've failed to be selected as Padawans - likewise knew of the symbiosis between certain species with high midi-chlorian counts, so it is likely that the Jedi of that time also used midi-chlorians for measuring an individual's Force potential. The likes of the Outlander and Revan likely didn't have a midi-chlorian count higher than 15,000 given their Jedi origins, although Valkorion and Vaylin might potentially exceed this number as their counts weren't necessarily on public record.

Star Wars: Red Harvest wrote:Emmert nodded. "The Murakami orchid is renowned for its Force abilities. It possesses power, but it requires a keeper, someone with an equally high midi-chlorian count, to keep it fully alive."

Star Wars: Red Harvest wrote:In the dining hall, Lussk was watching the dead awaken.

He saw it with two sets of eyes: the ones he'd had when he'd been alive, and the strange new vision that the Sickness had given him. On some intuitive level he understood that the first set was fading, going blind, and that was fine with him, absolutely fine. The Sickness had given him everything he'd hoped for, everything he wanted, power and strength beyond all imagining. It had altered the midi-chlorians in his bloodstream, telescoping his natural abilities, enhancing them exponentially.

Star Wars: Red Harvest wrote:Scabrous's grin seemed to dangle from the sides of his face, a prehensile thing all its own. "Before he died, Darth Drear wrote of the final stage of the process-the step that he himself was never able to achieve. He dispatched his sentries to a nearby planet to abduct a Jedi and bring him to the secret temple underneath the library. After ingesting the elixir, in the final hours before his body gave in completely, under exactly the right circumstances and conditions, Drear planned to use a ceremonial Sith sword to cut open the Jedi's chest while he was still alive, and cat his heart. Only then, with that final infusion of midi-chlorians still warm from the Jedi's blood, would the decay process be held back-granting the Sith Lord his ultimate immortality."

As for more modern Force-users, Tenebrous's assessment would at least include his apprentice, Plagueis, although it doesn't account for Plagueis artificially increasing his midi-chlorian count after Tenebrous's passing. It is unknown whether the Banite Sith had access to Jedi records, although Sidious and Plagueis have been in close proximity to the Jedi Temple, and Darth Zannah and Xanatos have outright infiltrated it while successfully masking their dark side signatures, with Zannah also successfully accessing the Jedi archives and obtaining knowledge from there, so it is very possible Tenebrous had access to classified information as well - why else would he, a scientist, confidently declare 15,000 to be the highest count on record if he did not have a sufficient data pool to draw such a conclusion from? As such, it's likely that Yoda, Mace, Dooku and Krayt all have a midi-chlorian count below 15,000. The only modern individuals who might possess a count in excess of that are Vol, Caedus, Sidious, Plagueis and Nyax.


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on September 25th 2020, 12:29 pm
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@Master Azronger wrote:The only canonical reference points that I know of are that the average non-Force-sensitive possesses a midi-chlorian count of 2,500 per cell according to Darth Plagueis, and that Darth Tenebrous mused a midi-chlorian count of 15,000 is significantly higher than his own, and that a number in excess of that would be highest count ever recorded.

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Star Wars Insider #130: The Tenebrous Way wrote:The key, he'd discovered, lay in an obscure legend obliquely referenced in the Journal of the Whills, about a hero fairly typical in most cultures - the sort of promised future savior who appears in the foundational myths of nearly every developed society. What distinguished this particular savior from his run-of-the-mill equivalents was that he, according to four of eleven possible translations, was to be "born of pure Force." After three standard years devoted specifically to exploring all possible permutations of the interpretation, Tenebrous determined that such a birth was indeed possible, at least metaphorically - "born of pure Force" could be read as indicating the creation of a living being through direct manipulation of midi-chlorian processes in an already living being.

And further, as Tenebrous discovered with rising excitement, such a being's Force potential might be limited not by its creator's own midi-chlorian count, but instead only by its creator's level of discipline and attention to detail. Indeed, his calculations indicated a range potentially far beyond his own. With proper execution, the "savior" might have a midi-chlorian count as high as fifteen thousand!

Perhaps even more.

It might be possible to create a being with the greatest Force potential ever recorded!

Force-users of the Old Republic were also aware of midi-chlorians. During the Cold War, lowly Sith apprentices knew of the midi-chlorians' functions in a Force-sensitive, and at least three Dark Lords - Darths Drear and Scabrous, and Valkorion - experimented with manipulating them. A member of the Jedi Agricultural Core - Jedi who've failed to be selected as Padawans - likewise knew of the symbiosis between certain species with high midi-chlorian counts, so it is likely that the Jedi of that time also used midi-chlorians for measuring an individual's Force potential. The likes of the Outlander and Revan likely didn't have a midi-chlorian count higher than 15,000 given their Jedi origins, although Valkorion and Vaylin might potentially exceed this number as their counts weren't necessarily on public record.

Star Wars: Red Harvest wrote:Emmert nodded. "The Murakami orchid is renowned for its Force abilities. It possesses power, but it requires a keeper, someone with an equally high midi-chlorian count, to keep it fully alive."

Star Wars: Red Harvest wrote:In the dining hall, Lussk was watching the dead awaken.

He saw it with two sets of eyes: the ones he'd had when he'd been alive, and the strange new vision that the Sickness had given him. On some intuitive level he understood that the first set was fading, going blind, and that was fine with him, absolutely fine. The Sickness had given him everything he'd hoped for, everything he wanted, power and strength beyond all imagining. It had altered the midi-chlorians in his bloodstream, telescoping his natural abilities, enhancing them exponentially.

Star Wars: Red Harvest wrote:Scabrous's grin seemed to dangle from the sides of his face, a prehensile thing all its own. "Before he died, Darth Drear wrote of the final stage of the process-the step that he himself was never able to achieve. He dispatched his sentries to a nearby planet to abduct a Jedi and bring him to the secret temple underneath the library. After ingesting the elixir, in the final hours before his body gave in completely, under exactly the right circumstances and conditions, Drear planned to use a ceremonial Sith sword to cut open the Jedi's chest while he was still alive, and cat his heart. Only then, with that final infusion of midi-chlorians still warm from the Jedi's blood, would the decay process be held back-granting the Sith Lord his ultimate immortality."

As for more modern Force-users, it's unknown whether Tenebrous's assessment would at least include his apprentice, Plagueis, although it doesn't account for Plagueis artificially increasing his midi-chlorian count after Tenebrous's passing. It is unknown whether the Banite Sith had access to Jedi records, although Sidious and Plagueis have been in close proximity to the Jedi Temple, and Darth Zannah and Xanatos have outright infiltrated it while successfully masking their dark side signatures, with Zannah also successfully accessing the Jedi archives and obtaining knowledge from there, so it is very possible Tenebrous had access to classified information as well - why else would he, a scientist, confidently declare 15,000 to be the highest count on record if he did not have a sufficient data pool to draw such a conclusion from? As such, it's likely that Yoda, Mace, Dooku and Krayt all have a midi-chlorian count below 15,000. The only modern individuals who might possess a count in excess of that are Vol, Caedus, Sidious, Plagueis and Nyax.

Krayt, Anakin etc. came post the ascension of Plagueis so not sure how you can use that line of reasoning to restrict them so.

Also, he would have a sufficient data pool to draw it from-He has 27 Banite Sith members, whom he can not only directly measure potential, but can also chart the increase in potential as it progresses across the generations and can draw conclusions about that( is it increasing linearly, exponentially, plateauing etc.) and has access to a library of ancient Sith archives that rivals the Jedi library on Coruscant, using which he can gain access to the midichlorian records and data about countless Sith Lords. Not only that, the ancient Sith had very different structures when it came to their societies. You have the hereditary, gene based societies that prevailed on Korriban for tens of thousands of years till the Great Hyperspace war. You also have strictly merit based societies that prevailed from 5000 BBY to 3500 BBY, and also the Sith of the new Sith wars. Using all that data, he can not only track midichlorians in a wide variety of individuals, but can also track how it varies in a hereditary society( which likely filter and reproduce based on force strength) compared to a merit based one, what are the dynamics that lead to change and increasingly better counts etc.  That is more than enough data for him to make conclusions about midichlorian counts. He doesn't need to have access to restricted Jedi data. Also, neither Zannah, nor Xanatos actually managed to gain access to restricted information, they just barely managed to infiltrate the temple. The knowledge Zannah accessed was available in the general section, and it is very unlikely that midichlorian counts of individual Jedi( or any personal information about any Jedi) would be available to just about anybody. It is likely to be highly privileged information, likely to be accessed only by the Masters then.
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on September 25th 2020, 12:56 pm
@LOTL I didn't make a claim about Anakin as he's obviously an exception, but A'Sharad Hett didn't seem to be in the Yoda range as far as raw talent went. Dooku has much better hype and is said to be a unique case in the Order's history, yet only would have capped at Yoda's level. Hence my conclusion about Krayt also hitting a ceiling at 15,000.

Also, I never claimed either Zannah or Xanatos accessed classified information; they merely set a precedent for Force-users infiltrating the Jedi Temple and perusing their archives undetected, so it's very much possible that exorbitantly stronger and more masterful beings could have accomplished even greater information heists.

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on September 25th 2020, 1:41 pm
i thought yoda's was at 20k? hmm bad memory lol

dooku had some good ass hype as a jedi, enough that yoda fully invested himself in the idea of making him his successor. there is this quote about him having potential close to yoda's, but i heard some debunks on it, so ill just its close but not the same as yoda's.

vol is higher than yoda's imo.

for jacen, i could honestly see him having more than vol, by a noticeable amount, but i could be wrong.

krayt... hmm ngl, i think he was around dooku's lvl, but live long enough to turn that into even more power.

sidious. prolly in the inbetween jacen and vol imo

luke's is kinda weird ngl. he has big growth rates, but then seems to stay the same until he needs a new growth in power lol ill say he has the highest as of yet (yeah duh lol)

windu- prolly equal to yoda's if not higher. by the age of 50sometihng he was already even with a fully mastered sith lord dooku who had 80 years of well.... everything under his belt lol

revan. about mace's lvl imo

valk is tough tbh. he is like, 3000 years old? honestly, imma get shat on for this, but if someone like sadow lived for 3k years and only grew as time passed, i could assume that he couldve gotten to vitiate's lvl. he is clearly higher than sadow, sure, but i cant say he is above like, nadd tbh

vaylin... higher than vol's for sure imo, but idk where

highest count until kid anakin iirc, so above any fucker here who came before him lol








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