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on September 9th 2020, 3:12 pm
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on September 9th 2020, 3:25 pm
Kota swings his sword and decapitates SK. Jacen and Kyle will die of laughter as a result.
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on September 9th 2020, 3:29 pm
Caedus solos
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on September 9th 2020, 3:43 pm
Sith Archivist wrote:Caedus solos
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on September 9th 2020, 5:21 pm
Starkiller solos. Kota can beat Katarn

I actually would like to see a case for Caedus attempted here.
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on September 10th 2020, 3:20 am
Probably team 2.

Kota is fodder, and totally out of his depth here; he gets ragdolled immediately by either of team 2. As for Starkiller, he can beat Caedus in the fight of his life, but Katarn + Caedus is too much.
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on September 10th 2020, 4:26 am
Of all the people to lowball SK I didn’t imagine it to be HP.
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on September 10th 2020, 5:59 am
Team 2. Kota is fodder compared to the rest
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on September 10th 2020, 6:37 am
What does Katarn have on Kota again?
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on September 10th 2020, 7:14 am
Starkiller managed to block Palpatine's lightning for a time. I don't know if Caedus can do this. I'm not sure if Kota can defeat Katarn but team 1 can win because Starkiller is too powerful.
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on September 10th 2020, 9:42 am
@HeartoftheForce wrote:Starkiller solos. Kota can beat Katarn

I actually would like to see a case for Caedus attempted here.
Starkiller is sub TFU II Vader and Kota is too much of a weak link here.
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on September 10th 2020, 10:33 am
Starkiller ain't beating Katarn or Solo. Either of team two solos.
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on September 10th 2020, 10:42 am
The Rich Man wrote:Starkiller managed to block Palpatine's lightning for a time.

Twas a holding-back Sheev. Full potential Starkiller exploding with "all the power of the Force within him" didn't put a dent in the Emperor.

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on September 10th 2020, 11:27 am
Starkiller is sub TFU II Vader

So is Caedus

Kota is too much of a weak link here.

Based on?
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on September 10th 2020, 1:06 pm
@HeartoftheForce wrote:
Starkiller is sub TFU II Vader

So is Caedus

Kota is too much of a weak link here.

Based on?
No he isn't
In what way is Kota on the level of anyone else here?
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on September 10th 2020, 6:38 pm
No he isn't

How thorough. Caedus has nothing to put him above Vader.  

In what way is Kota on the level of anyone else here?

He has better TK feats and Saber acolades than Katarn. I'm waiting for anything of worth to be presented for them.

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on September 13th 2020, 5:23 am
@Sith Archivist

Starkiller is sub TFU II Vader

On what basis?

@Master Azronger

Twas a holding-back Sheev.

And what purpose would Sidious have for holding back? We know that (1) Starkiller has already rejected his offer to join the Dark Side which - under similar circumstances in ROTJ - caused him to ruthlessly torture Luke, (2) Starkiller is defending the rebels from Sidious attacking them, and them escaping would result, naturally, in the formation of an alliance against the empire, and (3) Sidious is in "desperation" when Starkiller closes the distance. To summarise, there's no practical reason for Sheev to be holding back, no source attributes the feat to such (the novel directly attributes the feat to Galen's willpower rather than what you're suggesting), and the notion is directly contradicted by Sidious's stated "desperation".

Full potential Starkiller exploding with "all the power of the Force within him" didn't put a dent in the Emperor.

I can think of several explanations for this "feat" that don't default the prior clash to Sidious holding back. For one, the blast was omnidirectional, meaning Sidious wasn't tanking close to its full power, and, for two, it's possible Sidious drew beyond his body's potential in order to survive.

And, once again, as a side comment, on OOU stuff/intent (not that you care, but others might), you'd think if the creators of the game/novel/comic really intended it to put Sidious vastly beyond Galen they'd have made it a bit more clear that Sidious was holding back and emphasised the Oneness blast feat more, rather than apparently stressing the idea Sidious was holding back via never emphasising the impressiveness of the Oneness blast feat (in none of the primary material, OOU commentaries, etc - hell, OOU sourcebooks written by other people don't even draw attention to it) and never stating Sidious was holding back - alongside having their own novelization state otherwise. One must really question the impressiveness of a feat when it's largely glossed over as an irrelevant detail in every depiction of the event.
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on September 13th 2020, 6:48 am
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@NotAA3 wrote:And what purpose would Sidious have for holding back? We know that (1) Starkiller has already rejected his offer to join the Dark Side which - under similar circumstances in ROTJ - caused him to ruthlessly torture Luke, (2) Starkiller is defending the rebels from Sidious attacking them, and them escaping would result, naturally, in the formation of an alliance against the empire, and (3) Sidious is in "desperation" when Starkiller closes the distance. To summarise, there's no practical reason for Sheev to be holding back, no source attributes the feat to such (the novel directly attributes the feat to Galen's willpower rather than what you're suggesting), and the notion is directly contradicted by Sidious's stated "desperation".

Not fucking up his body and risk dying like he did in his fight with Windu would be a good practical reason to hold back. We even have direct visual evidence for this in the various adaptations: in the game, Galen manages to contain the Emperor's lightning, but in the novel, he gets his defenses shredded instantly; in the comic, the Emperor has some injuries from the suicide blast, but in the game, he is unscathed. If it's visibly proven he wasn't exerting himself to his fullest in certain adaptations, then you can't prove he was doing so in other adaptations either. That he was desperate in the situation doesn't validate your thesis.

@NotAA3 wrote:I can think of several explanations for this "feat" that don't default the prior clash to Sidious holding back. For one, the blast was omnidirectional, meaning Sidious wasn't tanking close to its full power, and, for two, it's possible Sidious drew beyond his body's potential in order to survive.

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The blast was directed at the Emperor who was standing in its epicenter - he would have endured the vast majority of the energy output per simple laws of physics, and even common sense, really. Starkiller's feats include telekinetically pulling down and splitting Star Destroyers in half with lightning, to name a few, and here he was channeling power substantially in excess of any of that yet doesn't cause a fraction of the environmental damage (an injured and weakened Vader even survives it despite standing mere meters away), meaning the Emperor must have taken 99% of the energy.

The idea that he accomplished this by drawing on power beyond his biological Force potential is unsupported and would have brought him closer to death by itself, making it very unlikely.

@NotAA3 wrote:And, once again, as a side comment, on OOU stuff/intent (not that you care, but others might), you'd think if the creators of the game/novel/comic really intended it to put Sidious vastly beyond Galen they'd have made it a bit more clear that Sidious was holding back and emphasised the Oneness blast feat more, rather than apparently stressing the idea Sidious was holding back via never emphasising the impressiveness of the Oneness blast feat (in none of the primary material, OOU commentaries, etc - hell, OOU sourcebooks written by other people don't even draw attention to it) and never stating Sidious was holding back - alongside having their own novelization state otherwise. One must really question the impressiveness of a feat when it's largely glossed over as an irrelevant detail in every depiction of the event.

Omission is not a contradiction, and you know this. Regardless, there are plenty of sources directly stating Galen was no match for the Emperor. As for intent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hcg1DarMEk&t=6m20s

I think that's self-explanatory, but I know you'll disagree and that this won't go anywhere. We can quibble endlessly over interpretations of what the writers really meant with X and Y and Z, but ultimately it doesn't matter because there are no hard answers to that and it's meaningless. Stick to the source material.

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on September 17th 2020, 1:37 pm
Az convinced me, with Starkiller being so insanely below Palpatine and Caedus being able to somehow survive few seconds with enraged Luke, it's even more of a stomp.

Kota gets laughably slaughtered by Katarn. Kyle with 2% of his training was reaching Jerec's ballpark, and that's Vader-level, and Vader ragdolled Kota without any effort. Caedus stomps Kota in a second or two at best.

Then you have just Starkiller vs. the two of them, without Starkiller out of Caedus's league. Team 2 wins 10/10 in a stomp.
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on September 17th 2020, 8:22 pm
Katarn accomplished nothing more against Jerec than cutting down a blind man with no force connection. DF Kyle is confirmed to be below Brotherhood of Darkness fodder. And directly following this was turned just by Dromuund Kaas DS aura alone.

Meanwhile in the PT we have Jedi padawans waltzing through the Valley of the Sith on Korriban which is confirmed to be more powerful even after it's been partially drained. So Tru Veld > Katarn.

Kyle's best feat is taxing amped Caedus who was cucked by post-prime Aurra Sing 

His best accolade is being relative to someone injured Luke thinks is a joke.

Kota annihilates him.
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on September 17th 2020, 10:10 pm
@HeartoftheForce wrote:
Meanwhile in the PT we have Jedi padawans waltzing through the Valley of the Sith on Korriban which is confirmed to be more powerful even after it's been partially drained. So Tru Veld > Katarn.

Source on this? Sounds interesting.
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on September 18th 2020, 3:36 am
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on September 18th 2020, 5:17 am
@HeartoftheForce wrote:
No he isn't

How thorough. Caedus has nothing to put him above Vader.

Caedus was confirmed by Luke to be above RotJ Vader. I won't be taking this for granted since Vader never went all out on Luke though it should still be enough to place him over TFU II Vader who is barely above Maul.

@HeartoftheForce wrote:
In what way is Kota on the level of anyone else here?

He has better TK feats and Saber acolades than Katarn. I'm waiting for anything of worth to be presented for them.

@SithArchivist
I'm willing to see any examples. Kota one shotted by TFU I Vader.
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on September 18th 2020, 5:20 am
[quote="NotAA3"]@Sith Archivist

Starkiller is sub TFU II Vader

On what basis?

He's stated to be below Vader in TFU II prima guide and by Sam Witwer.
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on September 18th 2020, 5:48 am
Caedus was confirmed by Luke to be above RotJ Vader. I won't be taking this for granted since Vader never went all out on Luke though it should still be enough to place him over TFU II Vader who is barely above Maul.

Haven't seen that quote. But even then Luke's view of Vader is hilariously inflated. For instance when Geth oneshotted him Luke was of the opinion that Vader could have done that "if he tried" despite Luke being his confirmed equal/slight superior in RotJ and Luke have progressed way past that. And even then Caedus has no feats to put him above Vader.


I'm willing to see any examples. Kota one shotted by TFU I Vader.

Kota matching Lvl 1&2 Marek in all areas. Stomping Red Guards who are credited as being as skilled as Vader, mastering all 7 lightsaber forms. Etc etc. That's better than Jacen getting clapped by a Mara who was exhausted by collapsing a 1.5 meter tall cave. 

Caedus would be oneshot by TFU 1 Vader as well so simply saying that doesn't help here.

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