Darth Vader V Exar Kun

Decaf_Beverages wrote:You know, I could do a post at length at why I consider Kun superior to the likes of Vader, but it is honestly too close to the end of the semester for that junk right now. So I'll post a Vader quote many people haven't seen pertaining to his death

BreakofDawn wrote:The Force is a lightsaber and lava confirmed.

EmperorCaedus wrote:

Decaf_Beverages wrote:You know, I could do a post at length at why I consider Kun superior to the likes of Vader, but it is honestly too close to the end of the semester for that junk right now. So I'll post a Vader quote many people haven't seen pertaining to his death

How does that in any way connect to Exar Kun?

Decaf_Beverages wrote:

EmperorCaedus wrote:

Decaf_Beverages wrote:You know, I could do a post at length at why I consider Kun superior to the likes of Vader, but it is honestly too close to the end of the semester for that junk right now. So I'll post a Vader quote many people haven't seen pertaining to his death

How does that in any way connect to Exar Kun?

 It doesn't. I think its cool

HellfireUnit wrote:

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:vader is the best duelist in the galaxy by TFU 1 (and then got much, much, much better after this), this includes kun, who is still around.

Vader is only referred as an unparalled lightsaber combatant as of TFU. That quote is apparently wrong unless the author dismisses Sidious and Yoda due to them stopped using lightsabers. And noone around that time is aware of Kun's existence therefore the quote doesn't apply to the latter, who is even uncapable of holding one due to lacking a physical form.

i dont think i need to prove stronger, as he completely overpowered sidious, is stronger than obi wan who can bend GG's plating, also stronger than dooku who disarm GG, who can yeet reinforced durasteel doors off of their hinges; is said to be faster than obi wan by 18 BBY (this obi wan being compared here is= to mustafar obi wan), then got much, much faster after this; he has killed more than 200 of ths toughest, strongest, smartest, most skilled jedi the order had after order 66, who were said to have only survived cuz they were the best of the best, kun has nothing close to this;

1 - Vader overpowering Sidious has nothing to do with his own strength, rather an unusual display of willpower. Not to mention he grabbed the Emperor while he was off-guard.

2 - Kenobi only has average strength feats, Vader being stronger than him doesn't mean anything. And Dooku's known for his lack of strength and stamina. Kun does have way better strength feats than both.

3 - Except that Jedi that survived weren't the best of the best of the Order, who were already dead. Such as Plo Koon, Saesee Tiin, Agen Kolar, Kit Fisto, Aayla Secura, Mace Windu etc. The ones who were above average Jedi Masters such as Shaak Ti and Quinlan Vos were not even slain by Vader or survived. 

4 - Vader is unusually fast, that is true. However he lacks agility the Kun has and the Ancient Sith Lord is capable of creating after images just as Vader so why the speed should be a deciding factor where it is doubtful that if Vader can even outclass Kun in that area?

 

he has bane's holocron, which just by itself has everything kun had to himself, and much more, then he had tons and tons of super high end jedi holocrons at his disposal, and other tons of sith holocrons that sheev gave him; his feats with both control and skill with the force are all better than anything kun has shown; i dont think i need to explain why vader's stamina and durability>> kun's, do i

Yet Vader didn't know everything Bane had possessed such as Force Drain. Kun has a way larger arsenal than Vader when it comes to Force powers, and his telepathic abilities are beyond Vader. In durability surely Vader is superior due to his armor but at the same time it has disadvantages. And what makes you think that Vader's stamina>Kun? Kun is capable of fighting Ulic without tiring for hours.

HellfireUnit wrote:I'll write a respond to this later on in favour of Kun. Today I am too damn tired.

HellfireUnit wrote:I'll write a respond to this later on in favour of Kun. Today I am too damn tired.

BreakofDawn wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:I'll write a respond to this later on in favour of Kun. Today I am too damn tired.

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:i thought i did?

LadyKulvax wrote:

EmperorCaedus wrote:

Decaf_Beverages wrote:

EmperorCaedus wrote:

LadyKulvax wrote:He's literally responsible for editing the works of the authors to better suit the vision of LucasFilm itself. His authority is set in stone by LucasFilm itself by crediting him with having been so involved for so long.

They wouldn't be interviewing him about it in the first place if he wasn't a reliable authority and then go out of their way to tell readers why he's worth interviewing to boot just in case.

It's a published statement in an official LucasFilm magazine that they clearly didn't take issue with.

Not that I find any of this necessary when Kun's feats do the job themselves.

He doesn't edit for the story, and power levels and scaling chains, he edits grammar and continuity errors. You still haven't refuted this point

You haven't read any of those interview's have you. Editors usually do, and Dan did in this case, have story input and control in the works that they edit. Some editors can be hands off, but thats clearly not what was going on. Specifically, Dan Thorsland was said to have worked closely with Tom Veitch specifically. 

Me quoting the artist who was also in the same interview because he also was one of the main artists for other SW projects? That would be stupid. But this guy does have valid authority to be speaking on those things.

An Editor isn't stated as a reliable source according to the Legends policy.

Please provide the source for your incredibly weak counter.

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:i feel like having a legit debate on this tbh. anyone up for it? we should do a team debate tbh. me and BOD vs two other guys. it could be fun.