Hennix, Tai and Voe (Rise of Kylo Ren) vs Rey (The Last Jedi)

Who wins? The three Jedi who were trained by Luke Skywalker for their entire lives or Rey with 1 or 2 days of training with Luke Skywalker?

The 3 Jedi didn't do anything other than get beat by Ren, even then only 1 of the 3 is more combat oriented than the other 2. I mean....I guess without Kylo around, Rey is at a disadvantage as she isn't drawing on him. So we could give them benefit of the doubt that Rey loses just based on numbers against her...but that's about it.

All three should be more technically skilled than her. However, we know Ben Solo was able to rather easily stomp the three by merit of sheer raw power. However, with Rey having considerably less control of her power at this point in time, I can see Voe rather convincingly soloing Rey. Hennix and Tai don't add too much, as neither appears to be as powerful as Voe. Tai might be able to stagger Rey with TP, though, since that seems to be his focus.

Rey wins. She equaled TLJ Kylo in raw power, and judging by their fight with the Praetorian Guards she wasn't that far behind in skill. The team didn't challenge Ben at all.

Yeah, Rey murks.

Rohirrim wrote:Rey wins. She equaled TLJ Kylo in raw power, and judging by their fight with the Praetorian Guards she wasn't that far behind in skill. The team didn't challenge Ben at all.

The only reason Rey did as good as she did was because she was close to Ben. When they are in close proximity they get their abilities and power increased according to ROS VD.

@Zenwolf: The point is not really how good she did, but how she compared to Kylo. She matched him in power and performed close to his level.

Rohirrim wrote:@Zenwolf: The point is not really how good she did, but how she compared to Kylo. She matched him in power and performed close to his level.

@Zenwolf 's point is that Rey's performance was situational, and not something she could replicate had Kylo Ren not been there. TLJ Rey's abilities are reliant on Kylo Ren's proximity, due to their Force dyad. Rey without Kylo around is significantly weaker and less skilled. This information comes from the VD for TRoS

Underachiever599 wrote:

Rohirrim wrote:@Zenwolf: The point is not really how good she did, but how she compared to Kylo. She matched him in power and performed close to his level.

@Zenwolf 's point is that Rey's performance was situational, and not something she could replicate had Kylo Ren not been there. TLJ Rey's abilities are reliant on Kylo Ren's proximity, due to their Force dyad. Rey without Kylo around is significantly weaker and less skilled. This information comes from the VD for TRoS

That says that when they are both together, BOTH are amplified. So Kylo also was amplified. Rey was still his equal.

@Underachiever599: I'll try to clarify. I'm not arguing that Rey could replicate her performance. What I'm arguing is that her relativity to Kylo would still apply regardless of whether they were amped. If amped Rey ~ amped Kylo, then unamped Rey ~ unamped Kylo, who is still superior to the version of himself that dominated the Jedi team.

Rohirrim wrote:@Underachiever599: I'll try to clarify. I'm not arguing that Rey could replicate her performance. What I'm arguing is that her relativity to Kylo would still apply regardless of whether they were amped. If amped Rey ~ amped Kylo, then unamped Rey ~ unamped Kylo, who is still superior to the version of himself that dominated the Jedi team.

I'm hesitant to accept that logic. Without Kylo around, Rey doesn't have access to his skill through the mutual amp. Yes, they both amp each other's power, but she also draws from his reservoir of skill/knowledge through the dyad, iirc. Unamped Kylo should be definitively > than unamped Rey due to greater skill with both a lightsaber and the Force. It was Ben Solo's training with the Force that allowed him to casually tool the three Jedi at once, and TLJ Rey has almost no control over her own powers in the Force, as immense as they may be. 

So, while I believe Rey is unquestionably more powerful than any of the three Jedi, or even all three put together, I don't think she has the right level of skill with the Force to actually leverage that power advantage in the same manner Ben Solo did.

@Underachiever599: That's an interesting perspective. In the novelization it's noted that Rey had accessed Kylo's training during the mind probe scene in TFA, but maybe she didn't learn everything right away and was expanding on that knowledge via their connection.

Rohirrim wrote:@Underachiever599: That's an interesting perspective. In the novelization it's noted that Rey had accessed Kylo's training during the mind probe scene in TFA, but maybe she didn't learn everything right away and was expanding on that knowledge via their connection.

That's how I feel, at least. I might be wrong. I haven't had the money lately to buy all the newest sources, so maybe there's some stuff I've missed. But I'm under the impression that she didn't have full access to his training, and it was only proximity and the dyad that let her match his performance

rey murks