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on February 11th 2020, 6:51 am
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Who wins?
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on February 11th 2020, 6:55 am
Unu vs valk- valk is hax, prolly smarter, more experienced, but i think there is a big power discrepancy here

caedus vs vaylin- ceadus is more powerful, imo, more skilled as a fighter, far better powers, more experienced, and what not else. he whoops her in an all out fight.

Vol vs arcann- i cant even say for sure that arcann is the better fighter here, so i just gotta give it to vol
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on February 11th 2020, 7:48 am
Unu vs Valk - Valk. More powerful, smarter, more knowledgeable, etc.

Caedus vs Vaylin - Vaylin stomps. She's so much more powerful it's not even funny, and Caedus won't be able to unbalance her like Senya. Vaylin by the end of KOTET was a match for Arcann in sabers.

Vol vs Arcann - KOTET Arcann beats him via chained Vaylin scaling, tbh.
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on February 11th 2020, 8:05 am
unu vs valk: valk seems more experienced powerful and smarter however i dont certainly know how is facing a being who give luke a hard fight during the njo era... possibly could go either way 

caedus vs vaylin: caedus 5/10 


vol vs arcann: arcann seems a better option all around tbh
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on February 12th 2020, 2:01 am
Going with team 2. UnuThul and Valkorion are the strongest member of their respective teams, but Valkorion almost assuredly wins that via experience and hax. Once he wins against his opponent it doesn't really matter what his children have done. Though I will say I don't see them losing.
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on February 12th 2020, 2:27 am
Team 1. Thul tools Valkorion, Caedus and Vol also would smash the whiny siblings.
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on February 12th 2020, 2:31 am
@HellfireUnit wrote:Team 1. Thul tools Valkorion, Caedus and Vol also would smash the whiny siblings.
Explain.
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on February 12th 2020, 2:45 am
@BoD wrote:
@HellfireUnit wrote:Team 1. Thul tools Valkorion, Caedus and Vol also would smash the whiny siblings.
Explain.

Thul can most certainly match Valkorion when it comes to power. Caedus is way more skilled than Vaylin and is comparable when it comes to power. Vol is stronger than Caedus and cannot be matched by sub-Vaylin character. This is basically a 1v3 match. Thul can stall Valkorion at least until the cavalry arrives.
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on February 12th 2020, 2:52 am
Thul can most certainly match Valkorion when it comes to power.

Based on? Even if he can, he's outmatched in mastery, esoteric abilities and knowledge.




Caedus is way more skilled than Vaylin



In what, sabers? BoKOTET Vaylin could fight Senya on even ground and nearly overwhelmed her several times. By chapter 6, she could go toe to toe with KOTET Arcann in sabers.


Force? Her mastery is massively underrated.


Either way, she's a lot stronger in the Force.



and is comparable when it comes to power.

Based on?



Vol is stronger than Caedus and cannot be matched by sub-Vaylin character.

Arcann is ~ chained Vaylin. Arcann also has much better saber feats and is ridiculously more durable. Vol's hype comes from hurting Abeloth through TP, and I don't see why Arcann couldn't replicate this.




This is basically a 1v3 match. Thul can stall Valkorion at least until the cavalry arrives.

Hardly. Valk takes Thul in a good fight, Vaylin can overwhelm Caedus, and Arcann can honestly beat Vol.
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on May 11th 2020, 3:57 pm
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on May 11th 2020, 4:06 pm
Valk beats Unu and Vaylin beats whoever she faces of the other two. I could see Arcann beating one of the other two but that could go either way.
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on May 11th 2020, 4:24 pm
Valkorion oneshots the trio. Caedus is a severe weak link.
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on May 11th 2020, 7:37 pm
Team 2 stomps.
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on May 12th 2020, 4:57 am
@BoD wrote:Unu vs Valk - Valk. More powerful, smarter, more knowledgeable, etc.

Caedus vs Vaylin - Vaylin stomps. She's so much more powerful it's not even funny, and Caedus won't be able to unbalance her like Senya. Vaylin by the end of KOTET was a match for Arcann in sabers.

Vol vs Arcann - KOTET Arcann beats him via chained Vaylin scaling, tbh.
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on May 12th 2020, 8:07 pm
Team 2 literally stomp.

Either Valkorion or Vaylin can one-shot under the right circumstances. Arcann is stronger than Revan (Reborn).
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on May 12th 2020, 8:33 pm
@S_W_LeGenD:

Team 2 literally stomp.

Good meme. Got any others? UnuThul, Darth Caedus, Darish Vol vs Valkorion, Vaylin, Arcann 2960029119

Either Valkorion or Vaylin can one-shot under the right circumstances.

Extremely doubtful.

Arcann is stronger than Revan (Reborn).

So is literally everyone here. UnuThul, Darth Caedus, Darish Vol vs Valkorion, Vaylin, Arcann 2829155256
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on May 13th 2020, 8:44 am
ScionOfSkywalker77 wrote:@S_W_LeGenD:

Team 2 literally stomp.

Good meme. Got any others? UnuThul, Darth Caedus, Darish Vol vs Valkorion, Vaylin, Arcann 2960029119

Either Valkorion or Vaylin can one-shot under the right circumstances.

Extremely doubtful.

Arcann is stronger than Revan (Reborn).

So is literally everyone here. UnuThul, Darth Caedus, Darish Vol vs Valkorion, Vaylin, Arcann 2829155256

Valkorion have superior demonstrations of dark side abilities on Ziost by far. When he is serious and mean business, numbers become irrelevant in front of him.

Vaylin is superior to anybody else via scaling from Valkorion and demonstrations of power which others could not hope to withstand with the exception of Valkorion. When she conjured a Force Storm, the only being left standing was the Outlander with support of Valkorion (surprise?); others were cast aside like dry leaves and the entire setting was falling apart.

Darth Caedus and Darish Vol above Revan (Reborn)? You are sadly mistaken. I really doubt even UnuThul is above Revan (Reborn).
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on May 13th 2020, 1:38 pm
@S_W_LeGenD:

Valkorion have superior demonstrations of dark side abilities on Ziost by far. When he is serious and mean business, numbers become irrelevant in front of him.

Vaylin is superior to anybody else via scaling from Valkorion and demonstrations of power which others could not hope to withstand with the exception of Valkorion. When she conjured a Force Storm, the only being left standing was the Outlander with support of Valkorion (surprise?); others were cast aside like dry leaves and the entire setting was falling apart.

There's no connectivity here between the combatants, you've simply listed a bunch of feats without commentary on why they're beyond Caedus, Vol or Thul.

Darth Caedus and Darish Vol above Revan (Reborn)? You are sadly mistaken. I really doubt even UnuThul is above Revan (Reborn).

Given Caedus and Thul scale above him your assertions come off as incredibly amusing.

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on May 13th 2020, 3:00 pm
ScionOfSkywalker77 wrote:@S_W_LeGenD:

Valkorion have superior demonstrations of dark side abilities on Ziost by far. When he is serious and mean business, numbers become irrelevant in front of him.

Vaylin is superior to anybody else via scaling from Valkorion and demonstrations of power which others could not hope to withstand with the exception of Valkorion. When she conjured a Force Storm, the only being left standing was the Outlander with support of Valkorion (surprise?); others were cast aside like dry leaves and the entire setting was falling apart.

There's no connectivity here between the combatants, you've simply listed a bunch of feats without commentary on why they're beyond Caedus, Vol or Thul.

Darth Caedus and Darish Vol above Revan (Reborn)? You are sadly mistaken. I really doubt even UnuThul is above Revan (Reborn).

Given Caedus and Thul scale above him your assertions come off as incredibly amusing.


Valkorion is capable of producing planetary level Area of Effect (AoE) with his raw power, and nearly-atomize Force-users with a blast of dark side energy as apparent from his exploits on Ziost; he not only devastated the entire world on the surface, he wiped out its entire population base including numerous armies and countless Jedi and Sith stationed there with a single blast of dark side energy (there is footage of countless living beings getting caught in the blast and being vaporized by it). It would take thousands of Force-users to produce comparable effects (or a superweapon such as Zildrog) as apparent from the Nathema episode. This is easily among the greatest display of dark side powers in the history of mythos:

but Ziost represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme. - from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Sith Emperor: Codex Entry titled "Death of a World.")

Only Darth Nihilus have a comparable demonstration of power courtesy of his ANOMALY condition which was/is a freak occurrence in the history of the mythos as well.

What was my point again?

"When he is serious and mean business, numbers become irrelevant in front of him."

Recalling my original view:

"Either Valkorion or Vaylin can one-shot under the right circumstances."

I am sorry but neither member of Team 1 have comparable demonstrations of raw power and/or dark side abilities in personal capacity; none hold a candle to Valkorion in this game. Dots are connected for you above.
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on May 13th 2020, 4:23 pm
@S_W_Legend Neither Valkorion nor Vaylin can one-shot. The only chance Valk has is with a planetary ritual, which isn't combat applicable.
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on May 13th 2020, 5:17 pm
@BoD wrote:@S_W_Legend Neither Valkorion nor Vaylin can one-shot. The only chance Valk has is with a planetary ritual, which isn't combat applicable.

Valkorion's exploits on Ziost are not a planetary ritual.

For reference: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/cataclysm-of-planet-ziost/105050/

Valkorion have HISTORY of subjugating entire strike team(s) of powerful Force-users in a confrontation regardless.

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Vaylin can do the same:

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Valkorion was making it possible for the Outlander to withstand all that power; others were completely incapacitated by it. This is early stages of a Force Storm (Wormhole) in the making.


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on May 13th 2020, 5:35 pm
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Valkorion's exploits on Ziost are not a planetary ritual.

For reference: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/cataclysm-of-planet-ziost/105050/

The blog is outdated.

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See the last quote for reference.

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Although none of it was written in stone, Boyd presented the Zildrog and Vitiate relationship as one more like a priest and a ritual knife. Vitiate was the man, and Zildrog was the instrument used to wipe out the planet Nathema. However, when it came to Ziost, Vitiate did not require Zildrog, but he did require preset rituals and possibly machinery set up on Ziost in order to destroy that planet. But the Sith Emperor would never admit to it.



Valkorion have HISTORY of subjugating entire strike team(s) of powerful Force-users in a confrontation regardless.

Not true. He's done it once (the Outlander, Vaylin and Arcann), all of whom are <(<) Unuthul.


Valkorion was making it possible for the Outlander to withstand all that power; others were completely incapacitated by it. This is early stages of a Force Storm (Wormhole) in the making.

Valkorion was shielding himself. This is a still image of the shield:

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The Outlander is already moving as the wave hits whereas Valkorion is fine until the barrier dissipates and he disappears, hence why he barely moves and doesn't dissipate when the others are still thrown backwards.
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The shield is in front of Valkorion relative to Vaylin (who was diagonally across from him). Note that the Outlander here is being carried away by the initial wave that hasn't reached Arcann yet, further indicating that Valk's barrier wasn't protecting the Outlander.



This is early stages of a Force Storm (Wormhole) in the making.

Looks more to be an application of Force Maelstrom than a storm.
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on May 13th 2020, 5:43 pm
In another fight, Vaylin destroyed an entire contingent of the Knights of Zakuul all by herself:

With the rising flames, Senya finally witnessed the true carnage Vaylin had unleashed on the camp: dozens of Knights – bodies mutilated and mangledhad been tossed haphazardly amongst the scattered wreckage of ships and shuttles torn asunder. The full breadth of the slaughter sent a chill down her back; grim evidence of the horrors her daughter was capable of.


From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Eternal Throne: A Mother's Hope)

A lone Knight of Zakuul is on the level of a powerful Jedi Knight; the strongest are above many Jedi Masters in terms of strength and abilities.

It is virtually impossible for even the strongest of the Jedi and/or Sith to confront an entire contingent of Knights of Zakuul out in the open as they found out the hard way during the course of war with the Eternal Empire when its forces overran much of the known galaxy; Satale Shan and Darth Marr reiterated as much to the Outlander in a meeting.


Vaylin, however, utterly dominated and eliminated some of the strongest Knights of Zakuul in a demonstration of power all by herself:

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The leader of the group admitted that he have never witnessed such level of power before.


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on May 13th 2020, 5:43 pm
In another fight, Vaylin destroyed an entire well-armed contingent of the Knights of Zakuul all by herself:

With the rising flames, Senya finally witnessed the true carnage Vaylin had unleashed on the camp: dozens of Knights – bodies mutilated and mangled – had been tossed haphazardly amongst the scattered wreckage of ships and shuttles torn asunder. The full breadth of the slaughter sent a chill down her back; grim evidence of the horrors her daughter was capable of.


From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Eternal Throne: A Mother's Hope)


That doesn't tell us much, only that Vaylin can ragdoll characters far below BoKOTFE HoT.


A lone Knight of Zakuul is on the level of a powerful Jedi Knight; the strongest are above many Jedi Masters in terms of strength and abilities.

Citation needed.


It is virtually impossible for even the strongest of the Jedi and/or Sith to confront an entire contingent of Knights of Zakuul out in the open as they found out the hard way during the course of war with the Eternal Empire when its forces overran much of the known galaxy; Satale Shan and Darth Marr reiterated as much to the Outlander in a meeting.

They said they were stronger than the average Jedi and Sith, yeah. However, they couldn't beat the Eternal Empire because of their fleet, resources, overwhelming numbers and due to the Republic and Empire both being weakened by years of war. It's not as great an accolade as you think.


In yet another fight, Vaylin utterly dominated and eliminated some of the strongest Knights of Zakuul all by herself:

The Knights of Zakuul are at best slightly above the average Jedi and Sith. Dominating them is like the HoT carving his way through entire groups of nameless Sith.


The leader of the group admitted that he have never witnessed such level of power before.

The Horizon Guard was formed by Vaylin from the Knights of Zakuul (most of whom she killed), and as such is a very new group with very little overall experience of the top tier Force users:



As one of her first acts as empress, Vaylin violently purged the entire cadre of Zakuul knights charged with protecting her brother. She replaced them with an elite unit handpicked from the remaining ranks, and called her new regiment the "Horizon Guard."

All this means is that Vaylin >> the average Jedi, Sith, Knight of Zakuul or Horizon Guard, which is a very low bar.
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on May 13th 2020, 5:52 pm
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That doesn't tell us much, only that Vaylin can ragdoll characters far below BoKOTFE HoT.

Citation needed.

They said they were stronger than the average Jedi and Sith, yeah. However, they couldn't beat the Eternal Empire because of their fleet, resources, overwhelming numbers and due to the Republic and Empire both being weakened by years of war. It's not as great an accolade as you think.

The Knights of Zakuul are at best slightly above the average Jedi and Sith. Dominating them is like the HoT carving his way through entire groups of nameless Sith.

The Horizon Guard was formed by Vaylin from the Knights of Zakuul (most of whom she killed), and as such is a very new group with very little overall experience of the top tier Force users:

All this means is that Vaylin >> the average Jedi, Sith, Knight of Zakuul or Horizon Guard, which is a very low bar.

Watch this footage:



- and tell me.

Only Vaylin is shown to dominate/subjugate/destroy an entire contingent of the Knights of Zakuul out in the open. No Jedi and/or Sith have matching feats to his/her name in the lore. Even the mighty Outlander receive help from Valkorion and/or his allies while up against a number of Knights of Zakuul out in the open.
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