on January 22nd 2020, 9:33 am
Title is self explanatory.
- IsvLevel One
on January 22nd 2020, 9:24 pm
Epstien was better but he's pretty good, Maul died though the after-mentioned did not
on January 23rd 2020, 7:41 am
- The lord of hunger
on January 23rd 2020, 4:29 pm
sors bandem was better
- IGLevel Two
on January 23rd 2020, 9:18 pm
~ Rebels Vader.
on January 24th 2020, 12:30 pm
Way beyond his prime.
- IGLevel Two
on January 25th 2020, 11:06 am
- CuckedCurryLevel One
on January 25th 2020, 11:09 am
Based on what is SWR Maul ~ to prime canon Vader? Every source Vader is in depicts him as being far beyond Maul, which is corroborated by Maul’s own musings in the Rebels show
- IGLevel Two
on January 25th 2020, 11:17 am
Superiority to Rebels Ahsoka (by a good margin) who was able to go head to head with Vader for an extended period.
- CuckedCurryLevel One
on January 25th 2020, 11:22 am
Don’t think so laddy
on January 25th 2020, 12:27 pm
@CuckedCurry wrote:Based on what is SWR Maul ~ to prime canon Vader? Every source Vader is in depicts him as being far beyond Maul, which is corroborated by Maul’s own musings in the Rebels show
What sources depict suited Vader as far beyond Maul? All what Maul says in the show is that he can’t beat Vader alone, which isn’t mutually exclusive with Maul being able to give Vader a fight.
on January 25th 2020, 12:28 pm
Based on how casually he was destroyed by Old Ben and Kanan.
on January 25th 2020, 1:42 pm
on January 25th 2020, 1:52 pm
This guy was able to survive on that trash planet (which’s name I can’t remember) for like 12 years while insane and with a spider body, survived Palpatine’s torture methods and was just fine, and even survived horizontal bisection; being in a desert for a few days shouldn’t mean anything to him especially when non Force Sensitive can do the same. So I ask you how weak was he when he fought old Ben? I know but Maul should be skilled enough not to get tripped by a padawan.
- BoDLevel Four
on January 25th 2020, 2:34 pm
I'm going to enjoy debunking this.IG (Exists) wrote:Superiority to Rebels Ahsoka (by a good margin) who was able to go head to head with Vader for an extended period.
on January 25th 2020, 2:54 pm
@AlakanSpacewalker wrote:This guy was able to survive on that trash planet (which’s name I can’t remember) for like 12 years while insane and with a spider body,
Now you're just reaching. That feat came at the expense of losing his sanity, weakening his body so much that he was visibly frail and partly missing a horn, and also weakening his power in the Force to the point that Mother Talzin had to use her Nightsister magiks to restore his powers. That planet is called Lotho Minor by the way.
@AlakanSpacewalker wrote:survived Palpatine’s torture methods and was just fine,
When? Palpatine has tortured Maul many times and has moderated his torture plans to make sure Maul doesn't die, which isn't mutually exclusive with weakening Maul.
@AlakanSpacewalker wrote:and even survived horizontal bisection;
Through his Dark Side knowledge, will power and even in that instance, surviving the horizontal bisection came at the expense of Maul going insane, losing many of his memories, becoming visibly physically frail and having his Force powers diminished.
@AlakanSpacewalker wrote:being in a desert for a few days shouldn’t mean anything to him especially when non Force Sensitive can do the same.
We don't know how long he was wandering in the desert, but it clearly did mean something to him given that he was worried about the risk of dying in the desert because, hence he initially collapsed in the desert and said this:
Maul: Will it end here, like this? No... No!
Source -- Star Wars Rebels, Season, Episode 19: Twin Suns
The only thing that kept him going was his will power to find Kenobi, which isn't mutually exclusive with his strength being heavily depleted from the taxing walk in the deserts of Tatooine. In fact, the official Star Wars website also says that Maul's CGI character model was modified to show how much of a toll that Maul's body had taken:
"To demonstrate an arduous passage of time, the Darth Maul character model is not only scuffed up as if coated with sand and dust, but also has chunks taken out of its mechanical legs." -- StarWars.com: Twin Suns Trivia Gallery
It says to demonstrate an "arduous passage of time" (arduous meaning difficult, needing a lot of effort and energy), the animaters put in the time and effort to show Maul's body being weakened to the point his cybernetic legs had chunks falling out as a result of the long walk in the desert, so arguing otherwise is just denying what official material says. And if a human like me and you stranded ourselves in the deserts of Tatooine with the same conditions that Maul was in i.e. no food and water, for a few days, we'd suffer badly from starvation and dehydration, possibly even death.
@AlakanSpacewalker wrote: So I ask you how weak was he when he fought old Ben?
The official SW site says that he had chunks falling out of his legs to "To demonstrate an arduous passage of time," which says a lot because Maul exerted so much energy and effort in searching for Kenobi that his legs started crumbling. Considering that Maul's cybernetic legs are tougher than his original biological legs, I would say that he was weakened to a considerable degree.
@AlakanSpacewalker wrote:I know but Maul should be skilled enough not to get tripped by a padawan.
What's being a padawan got to do with anything? Padawan is just a title that has more to do with maturity and wisdom than power. And this says more about how tremendous Kanan was amped rather than any lack of skill on Maul's part because Kanan was uniquely empowered by the Force similar to how Rey was empowered by the Force itself when she defeated Kylo Ren:
Freddie Prinze Jr: ... We would outsell each other in the professional wrestling analogies, the best matches are the guys where both guys are trying to make the other guy look better than he's ever looked before, and that's what Maul and Kann are in that, I'm trying to make him look as evil and as awesome as possible, and he's trying to make look as good and awesome as possible as well, and that comes through obviously not just us, that's Dave and his direction and his design and his schemes, and not having this epic lightsaber fight between Maul and Kanan, but having it be this sort of Rey Force Awakens moment where Force takes over, not the Jedi. The Force takes over. Kanan vs. the Inquisitor, that's Kanan releasing his fear, releasing attachment, and sort of being like water like Bruce Lee would say. This is a Force overpowering moment because let's not joke, let's not bs ourselves. He's blind, his senses weren't like "Boom! OK we're good I can hear everything I can sense everything around me, everything is perfect in 16 seconds, nah, Superman can't do that. So... For that, that moment between the two of them, that's a Force explosion as I would describe it where Kanan is not in control of that, that's the Force dictating what's going to happen to this Jedi like it did with Rey in Force Awakens, when people go "Oh that's bullcrap! How can she beat him! She's not swinging the blade proficiently, she's swinging it like a psychopath and the Force explosion within her, which the Force needed to do to rebalance the universe which it does in every single movie, it's controlling- it's not controlling her, but it's motivating her moves, it's not protecting her, but it's helping her protect herself in a way that's beyond her, and that's what happened to Kanan in that moment.
Dave Filoni: Yeah exactly, like that's- I actually really like the way you just put that, with tieing into The Force Awakens.
Source -- First Order Transmissions #197: Honorary Member Freddie Prinze Jr. Star Wars Rebels Finale Interview
Kanan wasn't even in direct control of his actions, the Force itself deciding what's going to happen to Kanan, ergo Kanan was amped. The fact that Maul got tripped by an amped Kanan says nothing about Maul's skill, but says a lot about how tremendously amped Kanan was.
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